SRC Engines

[ComancheStarFarms]

Anyway to identify a 400 series reman from SRC when they did a reliable job vs when they went downhill?  Different ID tags, or location placement, etc?  Thanks! - Jonathan 

[HydroTek]

I had problems with almost all of those engines
not sure they were ever "good"

Others here may have a different experience
but we rarely put in a reman, unless the original was trashed
or the customer was in a hurry

[JaredT]

I don't trust any reman, 3 on our farm, 2 didn't last 1k hours, 3rd we just bought the tractor 1.5 years ago. Fingers crossed on that one.

[756puller]

I've installed four dt414/436, three 8.3 Cummins and 4 9 liter ivecos and they are all still running from src.

[dale560]

Just now, 756puller said:

I've installed four dt414/436, three 8.3 Cummins and 4 9 liter ivecos and they are all still running from src.

About 98% of the 1400 through the 1688s had Src reman  in them up here. In the early 1400 series it cost you 4500 to go to a 466 that was engine price of 3500 and extra core charge of a 1000. They actually did not charge extra until the mid 1990s. I only really know of one John Deere reman about 20 years ago that gave troubles. We put a reman 8.3 in our 7130 just because it needed a crankshaft and currently have a 1586 that runs well with a 30 year old Src reman. It has more years on the reman than the original engine. Just food for thought for you about 10 years ago a 72 or 7488 came up for sale at an auction in northwest North Dakota. It had a Src reman in it brought 68,000 day of the sale. It was in a video posted on here about the last owners collection. Had video of it running around and not one negative word about it having a bad reman in it. Tractor actually ran well in videos. Has their product quality declined in later years I would agree yes but any of the engines before the last 15 years are okay.

[Binderoid]

Someone tell the story of  src. What happened? Was it materials or the guys putting them together?

[Injpumped]

profit over quality! They offer a 12 month warranty, but only build them to last 13 months!

[Matt Kirsch]

Now wait just a gosh darn second. The moment I tried to criticize SRC in the past, I was universally admonished by the community with countless, "How dare yous!"

The SRC fanboys beat me into submission. I'm legally obligated to state, SRC makes a perfect product. Never a single failure, ever, that wasn't 100% the customer's fault. 

How dare you say otherwise?

Seriously though, Lamb & Websters convinced Dad to put an SRC reman in the 1066 over 30 years ago. It was nothing but problems. If you want it, it will be for sale here soon. The engine, not the tractor. I put an original DT436 out of a 1460 combine in it 3 years ago. Wish I'd done it 25 years ago.

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

Didn’t SRC originally start the deal that is now Deere Reman in Springfield too? I hear a lot of bad about Deere Reman engines on the Internet too, but I would never, ever under any circumstance have the dealer overhaul another Deere engine for me. I don’t care how bad your SRC story is, I could give you several dealer overhaul stories that are worse. And that’s just the ones that happened to me. It’s certainly not like a dealer overhaul never failed in less than a thousand hours, then how long the warranty was supposed to be was in question, then warranty was denied, then the finger pointing started about who’s fault it was, then the customer had to pay for all of it again. 

[Drysleeves]

I was told by trusted sources that it was S O P to torque check any incoming SRC rebuild because there was always something out of specs.  Not sure if it's improved in the last few years but I'll bet the procedure hasn't changed.

[Injpumped]

my theory (for what little that is worth) is they operate similar to an assembly line with unskilled or inexperienced workers just doing a repetitive job all day. Maybe one qualified worker there to oversee all the lower skill workers, similar to a Dr office. All the nurses do the real work, but the Dr swoops in and makes the important decisions lol! The shop is not equipped with a full staff of experienced engine or fuel system rebuild specialists. 

[ComancheStarFarms]

Thanks to all.  I was just trying to develop an approach to looking/checking out a tractor that reduces the “it’s a gamble” factor.  Trying to assess these once great & now sometimes great tractors, is increasingly less fact based & more subjective.  Obviously we all know there are no guarantees (well except for two) in life.  But making informed decisions usually is less risky than going in blind.  Sort of like MLB.  

[Bermuda_Ken]

I've sold dozens of SRC engines with only 1 failure on a lone cylinder head over 15 years ago.  They have a 2 year no hour limit warranty on engines and components....so they cant be junk.  No one else that I can find offers that on a comparable engine or components.

If your engine requires ANY machine work, (head, camshaft, cylinder counterbores, ect.)  you will quickly be upside down in it $$$$ vs using a reman unit. 

[dale560]

35 minutes ago, Bermuda_Ken said:

I've sold dozens of SRC engines with only 1 failure on a lone cylinder head over 15 years ago.  They have a 2 year no hour limit warranty on engines and components....so they cant be junk.  No one else that I can find offers that on a comparable engine or components.

If your engine requires ANY machine work, (head, camshaft, cylinder counterbores, ect.)  you will quickly be upside down in it $$$$ vs using a reman unit. 

The one failure I know of was a JD reman 466 for a 4240. My mom’s cousin had the JD dealer install a reman engine. The rod  bearings let go in the shop they got a replacement and it locked up on startup. They sent that engine back and finally got a good one

people talk about jd and other engines and the other day I passed a 4850 jd I did a complete inframe about 15 years ago. Has a 800 some number jd loader on it. I put a new head camshaft,injectors and sleeves pistons bearings in. Then about 4 months later had to change rear main seal and he had me take injector pump off for rebuild then. That tractor was running down the hiway no smoke pulling two bale trailers. On the John Deere we always fixed the original engine but on the IH if crank was bad you could get a rebuilt a lot cheaper. 3500 when inframe cost you 1500 from case IH. I put a few of those src remans in never any trouble other than an injector on our own combine that leaked. Little known is they used to be factory rebuilder for gm 5.7 diesel and they ran wel I put about about a dozen in. Put 10 or so IH Dt remans in and last one was out 8.3 in a magnum. I do agree with Ed that quality on the injection stuff is probably not his standard. 

[acem]

The SRC reman  engines I've been around gave good service but all were installed many years go.

The SRC? reman injection pumps I've been around did not have a good reputation. 

[806 man]

14 hours ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

Didn’t SRC originally start the deal that is now Deere Reman in Springfield too? I hear a lot of bad about Deere Reman engines on the Internet too, but I would never, ever under any circumstance have the dealer overhaul another Deere engine for me. I don’t care how bad your SRC story is, I could give you several dealer overhaul stories that are worse. And that’s just the ones that happened to me. It’s certainly not like a dealer overhaul never failed in less than a thousand hours, then how long the warranty was supposed to be was in question, then warranty was denied, then the finger pointing started about who’s fault it was, then the customer had to pay for all of it again. 

Neighbor 9760 OEM thew a rod 4-5k hrs bought deere reman ran 100 hrs and grenaded , current engine has 2-3 years on it

[Binderoid]

12 hours ago, Injpumped said:

my theory (for what little that is worth) is they operate similar to an assembly line with unskilled or inexperienced workers just doing a repetitive job all day. Maybe one qualified worker there to oversee all the lower skill workers, similar to a Dr office. All the nurses do the real work, but the Dr swoops in and makes the important decisions lol! The shop is not equipped with a full staff of experienced engine or fuel system rebuild specialists. 

They must have been the ones eating all the dogs and  cats .

[Matt Kirsch]

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[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

8 hours ago, 806 man said:

Neighbor 9760 OEM thew a rod 4-5k hrs bought deere reman ran 100 hrs and grenaded , current engine has 2-3 years on it

I have had warranty claims on a Deere reman engine before. It was covered no questions asked. I never had any problems. I assume they also warrantied this engine?