When Expensive Herbicide Doesn't Work and Weeds Laugh At You

[FarmerFixEmUp]

Get out the 80's machinery.

 

Hopefully it solves the problem. 

 

These beans had hail damage so didn't want to burn them again like Flexstar did. Non gmo soybeans. Pre emerge was put on  just after planting and didn't rain enough to activate it. Authority and Zidua. These agronomists these days just say Liberty is the answer.  Well I have neighbors spraying that for the 3rd pass now. 

 

 

[Sledgehammer]

Looks good from here. 

[Lars (midessa)]

46 minutes ago, FarmerFixEmUp said:

Get out the 80's machinery.

 

Hopefully it solves the problem. 

 

These beans had hail damage so didn't want to burn them again like Flexstar did. Non gmo soybeans. Pre emerge was put on  just after planting and didn't rain enough to activate it. Authority and Zidua. These agronomists these days just say Liberty is the answer.  Well I have neighbors spraying that for the 3rd pass now. 

 

‘Old School’ as they say. My gut feeling is this will more common in the future. 
Trump Administration giving a pass to Bayer is disappointing, but to an extent  I believe dropping the hammer on them(which imho they deserve) would have been a catastrophic shock to system. Everybody in ag knows the era of intensive spraying, chemical dependent agriculture is slowly drawing to a close.

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

Glufosinate has been a good product for us, but I prefer Enlist beans now. Those beans look good and very clean. I cultivated a lot of tobacco, but haven’t done any row crop cultivating since we quit raising it. 

[MT Matt]

1 hour ago, FarmerFixEmUp said:

Get out the 80's machinery.

 

Hopefully it solves the problem. 

 

These beans had hail damage so didn't want to burn them again like Flexstar did. Non gmo soybeans. Pre emerge was put on  just after planting and didn't rain enough to activate it. Authority and Zidua. These agronomists these days just say Liberty is the answer.  Well I have neighbors spraying that for the 3rd pass now. 

 

 

Nothing wrong with working some dirt!  

[Cool1566]

I’ve never seen a weed resistant to cold hard steel…

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

13 hours ago, Lars (midessa) said:

Everybody in ag knows the era of intensive spraying, chemical dependent agriculture is slowly drawing to a close.

There has never been more spraying going on than there is right now. People are making more passes than ever to get maximum returns. If there is any reason that it will be less common in the future, I have yet to hear or see it. My dad has been handling roundup for more decades than me and when he started spraying it, it was on an open station tractor. He and many others just like him are still alive and well. My ancestors who never tasted a gmo food, who were often orphaned very young, were dropping dead in their 50’s, or sooner, and being buried next to their many children who also died. Adults who can’t put down their fork and quit eating candy is a much bigger problem than the way American farmers farm. 

[Chester5732]

18 minutes ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

There has never been more spraying going on than there is right now. People are making more passes than ever to get maximum returns. If there is any reason that it will be less common in the future, I have yet to hear or see it. My dad has been handling roundup for more decades than me and when he started spraying it, it was on an open station tractor. He and many others just like him are still alive and well. My ancestors who never tasted a gmo food, who were often orphaned very young, were dropping dead in their 50’s, or sooner, and being buried next to their many children who also died. Adults who can’t put down their fork and quit eating candy is a much bigger problem than the way American farmers farm. 

You can have my share of the roundup. If I get near it I end up in ER with hives and a swollen tongue. 

[Chester5732]

11 hours ago, Cool1566 said:

I’ve never seen a weed resistant to cold hard steel…

Have ya ever tried to cultivate out grass?

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

Just now, Chester5732 said:

You can have my share of the roundup. If I get near it I end up in ER with hives and a swollen tongue. 

I have no doubt that some people could have a reaction to it. I have been using it a long time and have never heard of anyone having that reaction. It’s not to minimize it, just to say it’s not common. 

[766 Man]

15 hours ago, FarmerFixEmUp said:

Get out the 80's machinery.

 

Hopefully it solves the problem. 

 

These beans had hail damage so didn't want to burn them again like Flexstar did. Non gmo soybeans. Pre emerge was put on  just after planting and didn't rain enough to activate it. Authority and Zidua. These agronomists these days just say Liberty is the answer.  Well I have neighbors spraying that for the 3rd pass now. 

 

 

  Nice looking tractor and cultivator.  With red root, marestail, and waterhemp to name a few pre-emergent broadleaf control is a must but like you said is not foolproof.  I'd rather chance a dry spell than not to apply some metribuzin for example.  Has to be quite dry for Dual II to not activate.  Don't know other states but my home state of NY the risk is very real to have a year come where nearly all agricultural chemicals get banned.  

[barkerwc4362]

I saw some one down here cultivating some peanuts.  Friend told me pig weed will not be controlled with round up.  Is that true?

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

28 minutes ago, barkerwc4362 said:

I saw some one down here cultivating some peanuts.  Friend told me pig weed will not be controlled with round up.  Is that true?

Many weeds cannot be controlled with roundup alone anymore. 

[acem]

To my knowledge, all pigweefs (palmer amaranth) are resistant to roundup (glyphosate).

You can't kill Bermuda grass or Johnson grass with a cultivator. You just spread the roots around. It comes up from the roots.

 

[Cool1566]

2 hours ago, Chester5732 said:

Have ya ever tried to cultivate out grass?

I know what you mean. Honestly it seems like grasses are getting tougher to kill lately even with chemicals. Maybe I’m dreaming but it seems that way to me. 

[Lars (midessa)]

3 hours ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

There has never been more spraying going on than there is right now. People are making more passes than ever to get maximum returns. If there is any reason that it will be less common in the future, I have yet to hear or see it. My dad has been handling roundup for more decades than me and when he started spraying it, it was on an open station tractor. He and many others just like him are still alive and well. My ancestors who never tasted a gmo food, who were often orphaned very young, were dropping dead in their 50’s, or sooner, and being buried next to their many children who also died. Adults who can’t put down their fork and quit eating candy is a much bigger problem than the way American farmers farm. 

‘Slowing coming to a close’ will be because the American consumer is demanding it.

Farmers will have to come around to the realization ‘the customer is always right’ even if the farmer believes the consumer is dead wrong. The dairy industry learned that lesson, the pork industry learned that with farcical ‘pork the other white meat’. 
The American consumer is clamoring for food stuffs not laced with residue from herbicide, insecticide, and other chemicals used to for food production. 
Just as with vaccinations, the majority of people will never have an issue but, the small percentage that do, is becoming increasingly expensive for society to deal with and manage. If a low percentage of newborns(say 2%) become afflicted with full blown Autism every year, that cumulative effect will collapse this country in as little as 50-75 years, and this is just Autism, not to mention adverse effects of the plethora of PFAS in this ‘modern’ society.

[brahamfireman]

15 hours ago, Cool1566 said:

I’ve never seen a weed resistant to cold hard steel…

You must not have waterhemp.  It'll lay on top of the dirt,  spit new roots out the bottom of what was the stem and keep right on going. 

[brahamfireman]

1 hour ago, acem said:

To my knowledge, all pigweefs (palmer amaranth) are resistant to roundup (glyphosate).

You can't kill Bermuda grass or Johnson grass with a cultivator. You just spread the roots around. It comes up from the roots.

 

Pig weed and Palmer amatanth are 2 different weeds.

I myself consider round up good for grass only.  Don't know if I used any this year.

[yellowrosefarm]

I use Crossbow on spiny pig weed in the pasture, but I wouldn't want to spray it anywhere near a broad leaf you hoped to preserve.  Especially on a hot day.

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

1 hour ago, Lars (midessa) said:

‘Slowing coming to a close’ will be because the American consumer is demanding it.

Farmers will have to come around to the realization ‘the customer is always right’ even if the farmer believes the consumer is dead wrong. The dairy industry learned that lesson, the pork industry learned that with farcical ‘pork the other white meat’. 
The American consumer is clamoring for food stuffs not laced with residue from herbicide, insecticide, and other chemicals used to for food production. 
Just as with vaccinations, the majority of people will never have an issue but, the small percentage that do, is becoming increasingly expensive for society to deal with and manage. If a low percentage of newborns(say 2%) become afflicted with full blown Autism every year, that cumulative effect will collapse this country in as little as 50-75 years, and this is just Autism, not to mention adverse effects of the plethora of PFAS in this ‘modern’ society.

The American consumer has a choice right now and they keep choosing the cheaper options. There is not one place that I sell to who is demanding that I use less of anything. They want the bushels, and as many as they can get. Consumers claim they want less of these chemicals and more organic practices, then when it comes time to pay for it, they don’t want to. They think they can demand the farmers change their practices and farmers will suffer, but not them. That is not reality. The end user will pay all of the added costs. Farmers will pay none of it.

[Cool1566]

1 hour ago, brahamfireman said:

You must not have waterhemp.  It'll lay on top of the dirt,  spit new roots out the bottom of what was the stem and keep right on going. 

Since I seem to not know much about weeds, my comment about cold hard steel still holds true. Weeds do not adapt to a disc or a turning plow. And yes we do have waterhemp here. Also roundup resistant barnyard grass. I also spray 20000 acres a year so I do have some experience in chemical control. Weeds will and do adapt to certain chemistries. Run over a weed with a disc blade and you’ll most likely end up with a dead weed. 

[whweldit]

Chemicals are a necessary evil.  American consumer wants to pay triple or more for food stock and then find empty shelves then stop the use of all chemicals.  Everyone is different.  If you can grow clean, weed free crops without spraying then more power to you. Here, even with narrow row crops, before they can completely shade the ground, this that and the other will be up in the middles.  Corn will be too big to cultivate, so will soybeans.  By harvest they will be covered in various weeds, grasses, and morning glories.   Last year was a wet start. Renter had corn here. When corn was waist high it was clean as the road as the saying goes.  Then the morning glories came up.  Before combining he had to bring in his high boy sprayer and spray to kill them.  They had wrapped everything up and as corn matured was being pulled to the ground.  Grew sweet potatoes here in the 70’s and 80’s.  We used a wide selection of insecticides, herbicides, and fungicides to control weeds, grass, and potato eating insects both above ground and in the ground. Nobody wanted a potato that wireworms or nematodes or potato weevil had chewed on.  Have had to walk thru my gourds after they get way too big to plow and hand spray open areas to stop late season grass and weeds from choking them out.  Chemicals are a necessary evil!

[Big Bud guy]

We are seeing some buyers request that if all possible try not to use Paraquat on our pulse crops.  Pretty sure that’s consumer driven.  Chemicals are going to get me someday.  Just this year so far I have sprayed over 24,000 acres and you don’t spray that much without getting some of it on you.  Only reaction I’ve ever had to herbicides is Treflen.  For some reason whenever we have sprayed that I get a bloody nose.  

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

19 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

We are seeing some buyers request that if all possible try not to use Paraquat on our pulse crops.  Pretty sure that’s consumer driven.  Chemicals are going to get me someday.  Just this year so far I have sprayed over 24,000 acres and you don’t spray that much without getting some of it on you.  Only reaction I’ve ever had to herbicides is Treflen.  For some reason whenever we have sprayed that I get a bloody nose.  

I don’t like using Paraquat. That is powerful stuff. I had a hose blow up when pumping it from a tote into the sprayer over ten years ago now. I had full PPE on. I tasted it when it sprayed under my face shield. The goggles kept it out of my eyes. It sprayed on my neck and ran down under the apron. I got a blistered chemical burn on my neck and chest from it. I don’t use it unless we are facing a disaster and it’s the only choice. 

[whweldit]

Used “TEMIK” granular under sweet potatoes for nematodes.  Grew rye in off season to help with control but still needed the chemical.  It was some wicked stuff.  Used an electric drive applicator on the row maker.  Drop in ground hit switch to start, end of row hit switch then lift out of ground. You did not want it to touch you.  Couple neighbors were not as diligent as they should have been using it and spent a few days in hospital.