Vintage Ads

[Loadstar]

JD advertised the 6600/6601 to have the same capacity as the 105/106 although I would have to see it to believe it.

I wondered the same, how the 6601 could have similar or more capacity than the wider 105/106. Maybe the 6601 had more concave, sieve, straw walker area than the older ones.

Anybody remember the "Canadian Specials" from the early seventies? I think they were an import. No pull types were offered, just 3 sizes of self propelleds.

[George 2]

Yes I do. I have this catalog somewhere. I got it while I was working for JD. They were a Zweibrucken, Germany plant product and a few were imported to western Canada as a cheaper alternative to the new 6600 combines.

[IKS]

Correct me if I am wrong but I would swear I saw the "Canadian Special" on the JD lot in Saskatoon well before 1970.

[Big Bud guy]

JD advertised the 6600/6601 to have the same capacity as the 105/106 although I would have to see it to believe it.

I wondered the same, how the 6601 could have similar or more capacity than the wider 105/106. Maybe the 6601 had more concave, sieve, straw walker area than the older ones.

Anybody remember the "Canadian Specials" from the early seventies? I think they were an import. No pull types were offered, just 3 sizes of self propelleds.

The brochure points out the 6600 has a lower feed angle allowing for a smoother faster feed, one more bar on the concave meaning more concave wrap around, longer straw walkers that have a 6" throw vs 4" throw on the 105. However, the specs show the 105 still has more separation area. If you read the brochure scan, it points out the 6600 out cut a 105 but just barely. Here is the real story and I got it from JR Hobbs famous writer/researcher for Green Mag, and 2 cylinder Mag. One day JD had a 6600 in the same field with a 105 during the final development phase. For some reason everything lined up perfectly for the 6600 and that day and only that day the 6600 out performed the 105. So JD took that that and ran with it in their advertisement despite the fact it really never happened again. And on the Canadian Specials don't you find it kind idiotic that JD abandoned the original 55 layout and IMO, the best design on the market in favor of 00 design and yet continued the 55 concept overseas? I've never seen a Canadian 30 series but have heard they were kind light and cheap compared to the American models. Far as I am concerned JD just needed to continue with the 55 design. Perhaps a beefed up 30 series.

[Big Bud guy]

Do you think that the end of the big PT combines was 'farmer driven', or did the manufactuers just decide not to offer them anymore, forcing those who were happy with a PT, into buying self-propelled machines.

Problem with a pull type is it forced you to swath everything. That's an operation we tried to avoid back then and now.

[George 2]

Yes. Anything is better than the current Green Grinders. They are being traded off in droves at all other brand dealers in our area. Some CIH dealers won't take them any more as the word is getting out and people are getting wary of used JD 50, 60, 70 and S series combines. One CIH dealer is now underbidding on them and selling them for only $4000 profit to get rid of them. Another has three of them that are sticking like glue to their lot. A very loyal JD man close to me was very bitter last fall when he couldn't get better than 2% dockage in 25% corn. Another, I hear can't get better than 3% in corn. So maybe Deere will have to revert to walker combines to clear their name.

[Big Bud guy]

Yes. Anything is better than the current Green Grinders. They are being traded off in droves at all other brand dealers in our area. Some CIH dealers won't take them any more as the word is getting out and people are getting wary of used JD 50, 60, 70 and S series combines. One CIH dealer is now underbidding on them and selling them for only $4000 profit to get rid of them. Another has three of them that are sticking like glue to their lot. A very loyal JD man close to me was very bitter last fall when he couldn't get better than 2% dockage in 25% corn. Another, I hear can't get better than 3% in corn. So maybe Deere will have to revert to walker combines to clear their name.

Can we keep the topic on the old stuff and ads. Go here and sign up if you haven't already. http://www.allthingsagriculture.com/Bashboard/ You will like it since you can bash JD at will.

[Loadstar]

German built Canadian Specials, any connection to Claas combines I wonder? I'll have to check my brochure for the date. I don't recall seeing any of those Canadian Specials around here. Maybe tomorrow . Currently working on video editing. For now here is an Oliver pull type combine ad I have. 1952.

[Big Bud guy]

German built Canadian Specials, any connection to Claas combines I wonder?

Not really. The only connection would be the fact Claas used the 55 to for their own combine development back in the 50s. JD developed their own lineup over there after acquiring Lanz in the late 50s. You see Lanz made the Bulldog tractors and combines. JD sold the Lanz combines for awhile then replaced them with their own design.

[George 2]

Big Bud Guy: This is an IH board!! If you want to post a whole lot of JD stuff I am sure there is a JD board to do so on.

[dale560]

Keep posting all those ads. Even if they are not ih I love to check them out.

[Loadstar]

Correct me if I am wrong but I would swear I saw the "Canadian Special" on the JD lot in Saskatoon well before 1970.

You might have seen those Canadian specials before 1970. I certainly can't say frm personal experience but the date on my brochure is 1969. They did resemble the 55/95/105 combine design. They were all diesel power, even the little model 430.

And now for something completely different, the little AC all crop combines from 1954. In both pull type and self propelled. AC tractor engine in the self propelled version.

[664 CDN]

Ralph, I only ever saw one AC 100 sp combine & that was at a farm auction about 15 years ago.

Most around here were pull type.

[George 2]

Ralph: I only ever saw one once also. It was at the Montreal Farm Show (Salon d'Agriculture). My father took me to it and I think the year was 1957. It was the centerpiece of the Allis-Chalmers Rumely exhibit.

[Mark (EC,IN)]

Big Bud Guy: This is an IH board!! If you want to post a whole lot of JD stuff I am sure there is a JD board to do so on.

Big Bud Guy.........please ignore George 2......the topic is vintage ads.

Keep them coming!

[jordi 1455]

I thought that Same tractor looked familiar. And re: forage harvesters, I have a vintage one here from 1951. This is how Massey Harris did it back then. Cut the crop and then chop it up and blown into a forage wagon.

I'd like to hear that old 44 on a good steady pto load like the forage chopper.

Is This one also familiar?

This is a Same explorer II series, in North America sold as Agco-Allis 6600 series.

[Loadstar]

I thought that Same tractor looked familiar.

Is This one also familiar?

This is a Same explorer II series, in North America sold as Agco-Allis 6600 series.

I may have seen that model advertised but we don't see a lot of AC around here.

Speaking of Allis Chalmers, here is an ad from 1950 showing two of their bigger tractors. Interesting to note that big old U develops it's rated horsepower (45) at 1200 rpm.

[664 CDN]

Yes. Anything is better than the current Green Grinders. They are being traded off in droves at all other brand dealers in our area. Some CIH dealers won't take them any more as the word is getting out and people are getting wary of used JD 50, 60, 70 and S series combines. One CIH dealer is now underbidding on them and selling them for only $4000 profit to get rid of them. Another has three of them that are sticking like glue to their lot. A very loyal JD man close to me was very bitter last fall when he couldn't get better than 2% dockage in 25% corn. Another, I hear can't get better than 3% in corn. So maybe Deere will have to revert to walker combines to clear their name.

Can we keep the topic on the old stuff and ads. Go here and sign up if you haven't already. http://www.allthingsagriculture.com/Bashboard/ You will like it since you can bash JD at will.

Take it easy , George is a friend of mine he do`nt pull any punches just tells it like it is even if it hurts.

Ray

[Loadstar]

Take it easy , George is a friend of mine he do`nt pull any punches just tells it like it is even if it hurts.

Ray

Agreed. I wasn't going to say any more on that subject but George has been a good contributor to this thread, as has Big Bud Guy, and I'd hate to see either of you stop posting over a few comments that may have sounded critical or taken the wrong way.

[George 2]

No issue with me. Just looking to see interesting posts. And Big Bud guy has provided some very interesting information many of us are not aware of. So I along with everyone else are looking to see more interesting posts from him. Keep on posting. Never mind the backscatter. And if anyone has noticed, I am not only critical of current JD combines corn grinding problems but I am also critical of the IH 50 series tractors. I know I have ruffled several 50 series owners feathers on this forum but I call the shots as I see them. And by the way, IH have had their share on boners. Take the 816 mower conditioner. They were so bad that IH bought them all back in the 1960's. And the 460, 560,and 660 series tractors as they were shipped from the factory in 1958 and 1959. That screw up cost IH about $19 million back in 1960. In todays terms that would be about $200 million. And the first year of the CIH MX Magnums some problems with gear shifting also occurred. Even the IH 900 series corn heads had many gearbox problems during the first 3 years of production. The reason we don't hear about it is that Tenneco shortly after buying IH had every gearbox in every 900 series corn head swapped out for replacement gearboxes built to the 1000 series specification. And the 1000 corn heads were among the best corn heads that CIH has built. In retrospect, what Tenneco should have done when they purchased CIH was to have instituted a 460, 560, 660 recall program on the 50 series tractors and rebuilt all of the clutch packs and installed coarse splined shafts and also provided a revised sentry system. These two items alone would have gotten rid of 80% of the 50 series problems. The 5088 differential issues were allowed to carry over into the 7110, 7210, and 8910 tractors but fortunately the failure rate was fairly small. And used high capacity differentials are readily available from a salvage yard in Sikeston, Missouri at a reasonable price. I guess my critical eye comes from my days as a Reliability Engineer at John Deere back in 1970, and my career in the nuclear power industry where safety and reliability are paramount in their operation.

[664 CDN]

George, They didn`t swap the gear boxes on my 934 corn head, just rebuild at the dealers.

Only trouble I ever had with it was when I picked up a rock & sheared off one drive sprocket.

[George 2]

Ray: Interesting information. It may have been just a dealer thing as to how they handled the rebuild. At where I used to deal, they just swapped them out. Maybe he had extra sets of rebuilt boxes to keep on hand and I know the rebuilds were a winter works project in the shop. I was in the shop one day just before Christmas 1985 and they were busy working on them. I also know that they swapped the ones on a 963 owned by an acquaintance of mine in the spring of 1986 with rebuilt gear boxes. The important thing is that one way or another every 900 series head ended up with rebuilt gear boxes (at least all the ones in my former dealer's area). Another thing I just thought of is that at his sale last year they had several sets of gearboxes in the sale. Maybe they were left overs. Did you see them at the sale? I tried to buy some of the 963 - 1063 dividers but a fellow from Ilderton wanted them more than I did.

[Loadstar]

Note that the shipping weight on the two Allis-Chalmers were with liquid ballast. I wonder what kind of magic elixer the A-C factory had that the local dealership could not have supplied?

I thought that was a little strange too. Seems to me that the chloride was usually installed by the dealer before the tractor was delivered to the farmer.

I seem to have a lot of these AC all crop combine ads. This one from 1951 indicates the auxiliary engine was interchangeable with the forage harvester and blower and baler.

[M Diesel]

It was likely also interchangeable with powered carnival rides all over the USA. Seems like those little AC engines were everywhere.

[Loadstar]

Haying season here now. Seems like New Holland was always the big name in haying equipment. These self stacking bale wagons were a real novelty when they first came on the market. Not sure just what year it happened but this ad from 1966 shows a Stack Crusier with no cab.