Vintage Ads

[Delta Dirt]

Sorta getting off subject of advertisements------but I had never thought of this before; -----reckon we've got an advantage on you with the lack of ice (your drainage doesn't flow when its frozen)!!!!! The enviormentalists have not thought about the benefits from your colder climate yet------they will be wanting us to refrigerate our land to match your climate sooner or later!!!!LOL

In most areas of the Delta------we have drainage commisions/districts with highly developed drainage canals-------all inter- connected so to keep carrying the drainage south. (sure can tell the difference where there is no drainage district)

Thanks for taking care of the ducks with your pot holes.

Now-----back to the old ads.

DD

[Loadstar]

Thanks for taking care of the ducks with your pot holes.

Now-----back to the old ads.

DD

The ducks will be happy this morning as I am hearing reports of an inch and a half more rain overnight. Maybe I need to go beyond dual wheels on the sprayer tractor and think triples! I remember when I first saw these ads from Unverferth in the late seventies. Thinking to myself, who would ever put triple wheels on a tractor? Well in recent years I have seen a few local guys rolling around on 12 big tractor tires at seeding time.

The tractor in this ad appears to be a generic composition of some sort but mostly 86 series IH.

[twostepn2001]

The tractor in this ad appears to be a generic composition of some sort but mostly 86 series IH.

That is the artist's concept of the 87 series, you know, the one between the 86 and 88 series....

[A554]

Thanks for taking care of the ducks with your pot holes.

Now-----back to the old ads.

DD

The ducks will be happy this morning as I am hearing reports of an inch and a half more rain overnight. Maybe I need to go beyond dual wheels on the sprayer tractor and think triples! I remember when I first saw these ads from Unverferth in the late seventies. Thinking to myself, who would ever put triple wheels on a tractor? Well in recent years I have seen a few local guys rolling around on 12 big tractor tires at seeding time.

The tractor in this ad appears to be a generic composition of some sort but mostly 86 series IH.

Not ads but photos of an Australian made Baldwin DP600 tractor fitted with triples.

Only a few of these tractors were made in the 1980s and were fitted with Cummins 1150 engine putting out 600hp. Baldwin also made a smaller tractor with 400hp.

This tractor is located in northern New South Wales and as the photo shows, it is used with a pair of 60 foot air seeders.

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Not ads but photos of an Australian made Baldwin DP600 tractor fitted with triples.

Only a few of these tractors were made in the 1980s and were fitted with Cummins 1150 engine putting out 600hp. Baldwin also made a smaller tractor with 400hp.

This tractor is located in northern New South Wales and as the photo shows, it is used with a pair of 60 foot air seeders.

Amazing photos. I guess in that big open country you need equipment that size to get anything done. Interesting how the concept of big changes over the years. Back in 1966 this Minneapolis G1000 was considered really big. 2 wheel drive and just over 100 horsepower.

[Big Bud guy]

Not ads but photos of an Australian made Baldwin DP600 tractor fitted with triples.

Only a few of these tractors were made in the 1980s and were fitted with Cummins 1150 engine putting out 600hp. Baldwin also made a smaller tractor with 400hp.

This tractor is located in northern New South Wales and as the photo shows, it is used with a pair of 60 foot air seeders.

Amazing photos. I guess in that big open country you need equipment that size to get anything done. Interesting how the concept of big changes over the years. Back in 1966 this Minneapolis G1000 was considered really big. 2 wheel drive and just over 100 horsepower.

One of those is on my wish list and I have a neighbor with one. Thing is though in my part of the world the only reason guys bought those was because they couldn't afford a JD 5020 which was substantially bigger.

[Loadstar]

One of those is on my wish list and I have a neighbor with one. Thing is though in my part of the world the only reason guys bought those was because they couldn't afford a JD 5020 which was substantially bigger.

There is still the odd one of the big Minis show up at auctions. I know of at least one locally. I don't know the numbering too well of the various sizes they sold in the sixties but I see there was a slightly smaller sized one available in 1968 listed as the G900.

[664 CDN]

Ralph, how is seeding going, are you finished?

Reports down here say 1,000,000 acres in MB. may not get planted this year.

Sure need something bigger than that MM to get it finished.

Ray

[Loadstar]

Ralph, how is seeding going, are you finished?

Reports down here say 1,000,000 acres in MB. may not get planted this year.

Sure need something bigger than that MM to get it finished.

Ray

I'm better off than those guys Ray. Although we now have a problem with too much rain to get into the fields and spray the crops. I've got in one afternoon this week and that is all. Might have to mount the little yard sprayer on the trike to spray now if it ever stops raining. It looks like a replay of last year as far as excess rain.

Massey Harris was advertising chemical weed control back in 1951 as seen in this ad. I like the line at the top, "every Canadian benefits when farmers are prosperous".

[IKS]

Ralph, how is seeding going, are you finished?

Reports down here say 1,000,000 acres in MB. may not get planted this year.

Sure need something bigger than that MM to get it finished.

Ray

I'm better off than those guys Ray. Although we now have a problem with too much rain to get into the fields and spray the crops. I've got in one afternoon this week and that is all. Might have to mount the little yard sprayer on the trike to spray now if it ever stops raining. It looks like a replay of last year as far as excess rain.

Massey Harris was advertising chemical weed control back in 1951 as seen in this ad. I like the line at the top, "every Canadian benefits when farmers are prosperous".

I can't remember who sings the lyrics "What a difference a day makes" but HOLY SMOKES "What a difference 63 years makes"

[Loadstar]

Massey Harris was advertising chemical weed control back in 1951 as seen in this ad. I like the line at the top, "every Canadian benefits when farmers are prosperous".

I can't remember who sings the lyrics "What a difference a day makes" but HOLY SMOKES "What a difference 63 years makes"

Very true. We don't sit out in the open following a haze of 2-4D mist from a 30 foot boom and those little tee jet nozzles putting out a fine mist at maybe 2 gallons per acre.

Massey kept that same theme going for a while. This 1949 combine ad featured the advantages of growing soybeans while also pointing out that Massey Harris combines were integral in getting this valuable crop harvested.

[IKS]

Dad picked up a gas hungry Massey 27 in the mid sixties ,I remember running it .We had a good barley crop one year sixtyish we could run the tank dry in 4 hours picking 18ft swaths. It was a rare model with a big Hercules engine.

[Loadstar]

Dad picked up a gas hungry Massey 27 in the mid sixties ,I remember running it .We had a good barley crop one year sixtyish we could run the tank dry in 4 hours picking 18ft swaths. It was a rare model with a big Hercules engine.

I am guessing that Hercules engine was a transplant. All the Massey Harris combines of that era that I knew of had the flathead Chrysler six engine. Dad had a model 60, a little newer and smaller than the 27 and I don't recall it being known for high fuel consumption. My brother inherited a couple of 27s, or maybe Super 27s with his farm. Ran one for a bit one fall to put some oats through it.

This ad from 1950 calls Massey Harris the most popular combine in the world. They certainly were here in Sask.

[George 2]

Cockshutt used to claim they were the most popular combine in western Canada back in the 1950's. I am not sure who is right.

[Delta Dirt]

Massey truely was the recoginized world leader in the combine market for a long time.

Layne-Arkansas operated 9---10 Massey stores up in the Arkansas rice belt back in the 60's. Their motto was: "we cover the harvest like the morning dew!!!"

Sorta think that phrase was coined originally by Massey???

DD

[Loadstar]

Massey truely was the recoginized world leader in the combine market for a long time.

Layne-Arkansas operated 9---10 Massey stores up in the Arkansas rice belt back in the 60's. Their motto was: "we cover the harvest like the morning dew!!!"

Sorta think that phrase was coined originally by Massey???

DD

Maybe Cockshutt did not have as big a dealer network down south as they did here in Canada. I would say there were probably as many Cockshutt combines as Massey here . They were quite a similar design.

George, I never saw Cockshutt make the claim of "best in the West" in any of the ads yet but I can believe it. This ad from 1959 does claim that the 428 with "drive o matic" is by far the best self propelled combine to sweep through the fields.

[George 2]

Ralph: Bill Cockshutt told me once that they purposely designed their combines to be one up on Massey Harris combines. As your ad said slightly bigger and heavier where it counted. I liked Bill as he seemed concerned that the customers were satisfied and had a quality product. This was a far cry from my experience at John Deere in 1970.

[Loadstar]

Ralph: Bill Cockshutt told me once that they purposely designed their combines to be one up on Massey Harris combines. As your ad said slightly bigger and heavier where it counted. I liked Bill as he seemed concerned that the customers were satisfied and had a quality product. This was a far cry from my experience at John Deere in 1970.

Yes, thats the impression I got from reading "About Cockshutt" by William Cockshutt. Bill spent time right out there on the field and road checking on and adjusting machinery.

This ad from 1954 praises the advantages of power steering. I don't know about Cockshutt combines but my dad's Massey 60 never seemed particularly hard steering even for a skinny kid like me. And hang that drum pickup out on the front of the header it would sometimes lift the rear wheels right off the ground going down hill.

You know you own the best. World's most modern combine.

[Big Bud guy]

So what was Drive O Matic on the Cockshutt?

[Loadstar]

So what was Drive O Matic on the Cockshutt?

Just a clever marketing name for the variable speed ground drive. Very similar to what Massey Harris had except Cockshutt used a foot pedal while Massey had a lever on the console. Much like the later hydrostatics, push the lever forward to go faster, pull back to slow down. One drawback was having no clutch. If you pulled back the lever to slow down too far you would suddenly be in neutral, or free wheeling which could be dangerous on hills. It was just two variable speed pulleys and a belt drive.

This page from the 1950 Cockshutt combine brochure shows a few more details on how "drive-o-matic" worked.

[Big Bud guy]

So what was Drive O Matic on the Cockshutt?

Just a clever marketing name for the variable speed ground drive. Very similar to what Massey Harris had except Cockshutt used a foot pedal while Massey had a lever on the console. Much like the later hydrostatics, push the lever forward to go faster, pull back to slow down. One drawback was having no clutch. If you pulled back the lever to slow down too far you would suddenly be in neutral, or free wheeling which could be dangerous on hills. It was just two variable speed pulleys and a belt drive.

This page from the 1950 Cockshutt combine brochure shows a few more details on how "drive-o-matic" worked.

I see now. Thanks for the info. You are right on the marking name. I thought it was something more then that. Funny part is JD had that before anybody and they never gave it a marketing name. Had positive clutching too. Case combines didn't have a clutch either on the SP 9 and 12.

[Grabatire]

That 'Drive-o-Matic' was real fun when trying to move forward or back a few inches.

Two of Dads brothers had a Cockshutt SP137 and a SP428. They were pretty much the same machine except for colour scheme. Dad had a Massey Super 90 at the time and they would help each other when time or conditions dictated. All three machines could stuff the material through the cylinder about the same, but the Cockshutts had a longer shoe than the Massey and did a better job at the same ground speed. Dad and a neighbour teamed up and bought a Cockshutt 542. Wow. What a machine compared to the others.

[Loadstar]

That 'Drive-o-Matic' was real fun when trying to move forward or back a few inches.

Two of Dads brothers had a Cockshutt SP137 and a SP428. They were pretty much the same machine except for colour scheme. Dad had a Massey Super 90 at the time and they would help each other when time or conditions dictated. All three machines could stuff the material through the cylinder about the same, but the Cockshutts had a longer shoe than the Massey and did a better job at the same ground speed. Dad and a neighbour teamed up and bought a Cockshutt 542. Wow. What a machine compared to the others.

Cockshutt, or White, should have made a fortune from all the 542 combines they sold in Western Canada. Very popular combine here. As was the slightly newer 5542. I'm not sure but I think, starting with the 542 series, they were also sold as Olivers with the appropriate green paint and decals.

Here is the 1967 version of the 542. Still powered by the venerable Chrysler flathead six. A few more cubic inches displacement than the older machines had.

[Big Bud guy]

That 'Drive-o-Matic' was real fun when trying to move forward or back a few inches.

Two of Dads brothers had a Cockshutt SP137 and a SP428. They were pretty much the same machine except for colour scheme. Dad had a Massey Super 90 at the time and they would help each other when time or conditions dictated. All three machines could stuff the material through the cylinder about the same, but the Cockshutts had a longer shoe than the Massey and did a better job at the same ground speed. Dad and a neighbour teamed up and bought a Cockshutt 542. Wow. What a machine compared to the others.

Cockshutt, or White, should have made a fortune from all the 542 combines they sold in Western Canada. Very popular combine here. As was the slightly newer 5542. I'm not sure but I think, starting with the 542 series, they were also sold as Olivers with the appropriate green paint and decals.

Here is the 1967 version of the 542. Still powered by the venerable Chrysler flathead six. A few more cubic inches displacement than the older machines had.

south.

When you mean western Canada do you mean just were you are at or you including further west into AB? Reason I ask is because it seems like Massey was the popular choice in the areas I am familiar with in AB which is Lethbridge and south. We farm only 8 miles from the border and part of my familiar is originally from Canada. Only Cockshutt combines I have ever laid my eyes on is a pair of 115s my neighbor has and a pull type another neighbor had. I do know a guy that has a Co-Op combine which to me looks like a Cockshutt. And yes my books show the 525/535/542/545 and 5542 sold as Olivers. In fact down here we tend to think of those combines as Olivers first. Two of my neighbors ran an Oliver 5542 and the MM version. Both were scrapped last year. They seemed to work alright but both were labeled as 'poor man combines'.

[Loadstar]

When you mean western Canada do you mean just were you are at or you including further west into AB? Reason I ask is because it seems like Massey was the popular choice in the areas I am familiar with in AB which is Lethbridge and south. We farm only 8 miles from the border and part of my familiar is originally from Canada. Only Cockshutt combines I have ever laid my eyes on is a pair of 115s my neighbor has and a pull type another neighbor had. I do know a guy that has a Co-Op combine which to me looks like a Cockshutt. And yes my books show the 525/535/542/545 and 5542 sold as Olivers. In fact down here we tend to think of those combines as Olivers first. Two of my neighbors ran an Oliver 5542 and the MM version. Both were scrapped last year. They seemed to work alright but both were labeled as 'poor man combines'.

Nice "junkyard photo" of the old combines. Yes, the Co-ops were just Cockshutt combines painted orange and sold through a Co-op or CCIL dealer.

I can't really speak for the numbers in Alberta but I know back in the seventies you could hardly find a farm in this part of Sask. that didn't have at one time a 542 , or one of it's newer or older versions. They were a cheaper built combine than the other makes such as John Deere or IH but they had good capacity for the time.

Here is one of their 112 models from the 1950 combine catalogue.