A Hypothetical Question

[TroyDairy]

No

1. L and I

2. Economy for fuel

3. 90% of the "old guys" are not here to like and want a open station machine 

4. Alot more acres on avg is cover by alot less people.  Having creature comforts etc is more impt then it was 60 years ago

 

This is the "why dont they make a plain manual everything truck!?"

B/c every dealer will tell you...They cant move them.

[acem]

People who buy new stuff generally want all the bells and whistles.

It's those of us who drive older stuff that want simpler.

[Illini986]

3 hours ago, TroyDairy said:

This is the "why dont they make a plain manual everything truck!?"

B/c every dealer will tell you...They cant move them.

Sounds like my uncle. About fifteen years ago he wanted to buy a new farm pickup and went to his local Chevy dealer to see what they had. Didn't like anything on the lot, all too fancy, even the base models. Asked the salesman about ordering a pickup without A/C. Salesman told him they could order it but it'd probably be more expensive to build one without it than with. 

[cobfly]

Pretty sure, if you look hard enough, you can find a low hour Belarus.

[FarmerFixEmUp]

11 hours ago, New Englander said:

Are you still farming like the '70s and '80s?

yup. 

[acem]

16 hours ago, New Englander said:

Are you still farming like the '70s and '80s?

I farm using many modern methods but my equipment mostly dates from the 60s through early 2000s.

Examples.

I use reduced tillage/stale seed bed but plant with a 900 planter from the late 80s and use a spray rig from the same vintage.

I harvest with a 79 1460 using a similar vintage header but my 80 1480 uses an early 2000s draper.

Semi is 85 but hopper bottom trailer is from around 70.

Tractors range from 63 to 83. Lotta changes between a 504 and 5488.

Use GPS guidance for some things.

 

[dale560]

They did to an extent build those tractors. Caseih had the 75 farmall and new holland had the 75c or something John Deere had the 5000 series. These tractors were 75 to 90 or so hp some with mfwd. They sold ok but are thought of as a small hobby farm unit and kind of laughed at. I think the small tractor is still the biggest segment of sales but least profit so there is your answer if they are not going to make money no they are not building it. And big guys want new tech not antiques.  The jd and caseih are here off tractor data. The jd 5085 almost matches 4020 in every aspect and sold for 50000 back when new. The case IH was about 50 or 60,000 10 years ago or so

[TroyDairy]

12 hours ago, Illini986 said:

Sounds like my uncle. About fifteen years ago he wanted to buy a new farm pickup and went to his local Chevy dealer to see what they had. Didn't like anything on the lot, all too fancy, even the base models. Asked the salesman about ordering a pickup without A/C. Salesman told him they could order it but it'd probably be more expensive to build one without it than with. 

Yeah its world we live in.  Packages and order #s.  You really cant pick and choose too much now days

[1480x3]

17 hours ago, Illini986 said:

Sounds like my uncle. About fifteen years ago he wanted to buy a new farm pickup and went to his local Chevy dealer to see what they had. Didn't like anything on the lot, all too fancy, even the base models. Asked the salesman about ordering a pickup without A/C. Salesman told him they could order it but it'd probably be more expensive to build one without it than with. 

Thats why i have ordered the last 7 or 8 new trucks i bought, ends up at about half price the ones on the lot.

[John Rowehl]

On 6/25/2026 at 8:59 PM, JaredT said:

OK, so buy an 806/856, completely rebuild it, over haul the engine, rebuild injection pump, new bearings in the transmission and rear end, new clutch, PTO clutches, radiator, tires and paint. I know we could do that for less than $50k, anybody want to buy it when I am done? 

It would be a new tractor

I know someone that had his Oliver 1850 rebuilt and is trying to sell it.

Oliver 1850 Diesel. Second owner. Engine had low 4000 hrs before rebuild, minimal since. Was completely restored by (former Oliver dealer) engine, hy-dra-power, clutch, radiator, fuel pump, new seat, wheel bearings, etc. New tires all around. Have paperwork on repairs available. Perkins engine dynoed at 110 hp.

His original asking price was $55,000. I if I recall correctly, he has somewhere around $30,000 into it,  not counting his original purchase cost. I think he’s down to asking around $35,000.

I thought his only hope would be someone that is a full blooded Oliver guy, farming part-time and could make money by putting it to work.

Reminds me of the guy that was advertising a 686 or 666 in Red Power Magazine, going back a few years, for several years, that had apparently put himself into the same situation.

 

 

 

[BrunsFarms]

On 6/25/2026 at 8:00 PM, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

There are some machines that are out of production that I would be interested in, but it wouldn’t be a 4020 or 806 if I had to farm with it. 

What would it be? Any tractor from the past.

[Chester5732]

11 hours ago, dale560 said:

They did to an extent build those tractors. Caseih had the 75 farmall and new holland had the 75c or something John Deere had the 5000 series. These tractors were 75 to 90 or so hp some with mfwd. They sold ok but are thought of as a small hobby farm unit and kind of laughed at. I think the small tractor is still the biggest segment of sales but least profit so there is your answer if they are not going to make money no they are not building it. And big guys want new tech not antiques.  The jd and caseih are here off tractor data. The jd 5085 almost matches 4020 in every aspect and sold for 50000 back when new. The case IH was about 50 or 60,000 10 years ago or so

A 75C utility tractor is not even close to an 806. 

[dale560]

49 minutes ago, Chester5732 said:

A 75C utility tractor is not even close to an 806. 

Then bump up to a 110 c. Reminds me of when the 5240s and 50s came out. There were a few new ones in area. And dealer was talking about them out pulling 1206s and 1066s. Everybody thought they were a tiny tractor but they did outwork the older models. I have all the older model tractors and if we bought a newer tractor I would imagine it would be used for everything and all the old ones would sit. Just for the creature comforts of new machines.

[Big Bud guy]

12 hours ago, dale560 said:

They did to an extent build those tractors. Caseih had the 75 farmall and new holland had the 75c or something John Deere had the 5000 series. These tractors were 75 to 90 or so hp some with mfwd. They sold ok but are thought of as a small hobby farm unit and kind of laughed at. I think the small tractor is still the biggest segment of sales but least profit so there is your answer if they are not going to make money no they are not building it. And big guys want new tech not antiques.  The jd and caseih are here off tractor data. The jd 5085 almost matches 4020 in every aspect and sold for 50000 back when new. The case IH was about 50 or 60,000 10 years ago or so

We have a 5100E.  It is rated at 80 PTO hp so about the same as the 4010.  Has over 3,000 hrs.  Has a 12 speed syncro type tranny, direction reverser, MFWD, economy PTO setting, and good cab. All things a 4020 doesn’t have.  I’d much perfer it over a 4020 for the jobs we do with it.  One year we decided to burn off a field and i decided to use the 5100 to make the fire break.  I pulled our JD 21’ FW disk harrow with it just to see what it would do and this is a disk that we pulled with a 830 and 4020 back in the day.  The tractor handled it just fine but I wasn’t socking it in 4-5” deep in soft plowed ground like it was back in the day.  I have a neighbor that bought a 5085 and 5100E.  Traded in a 4020 and 4630 for them.  Pulls his freeman balers with them 

[dale560]

23 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

We have a 5100E.  It is rated at 80 PTO hp so about the same as the 4010.  Has over 3,000 hrs.  Has a 12 speed syncro type tranny, direction reverser, MFWD, economy PTO setting, and good cab. All things a 4020 doesn’t have.  I’d much perfer it over a 4020 for the jobs we do with it.  One year we decided to burn off a field and i decided to use the 5100 to make the fire break.  I pulled our JD 21’ FW disk harrow with it just to see what it would do and this is a disk that we pulled with a 830 and 4020 back in the day.  The tractor handled it just fine but I wasn’t socking it in 4-5” deep in soft plowed ground like it was back in the day.  I have a neighbor that bought a 5085 and 5100E.  Traded in a 4020 and 4630 for them.  Pulls his freeman balers with them 

My buddy had a 5085 or number like that. He bought it new 15 or so years ago I think now. His only hate is he bought an open station instead of a cabbed. His neighbor bought a bit newer but same tractor with a cab and stores it in a shipping container. My brother in law has the 75 hp version new holland and it is perfect tractor for his hobby farm. Cab ,air and he pulls a small conditioner and baler with it.

[766 Man]

28 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

We have a 5100E.  It is rated at 80 PTO hp so about the same as the 4010.  Has over 3,000 hrs.  Has a 12 speed syncro type tranny, direction reverser, MFWD, economy PTO setting, and good cab. All things a 4020 doesn’t have.  I’d much perfer it over a 4020 for the jobs we do with it.  One year we decided to burn off a field and i decided to use the 5100 to make the fire break.  I pulled our JD 21’ FW disk harrow with it just to see what it would do and this is a disk that we pulled with a 830 and 4020 back in the day.  The tractor handled it just fine but I wasn’t socking it in 4-5” deep in soft plowed ground like it was back in the day.  I have a neighbor that bought a 5085 and 5100E.  Traded in a 4020 and 4630 for them.  Pulls his freeman balers with them 

  The JD 6603 IIRC was billed as the updated 4020 when it was built during the early 2000's.  6.8L litre engine.  Full integrated cab and MFWD were options.  The Mennonites around here have been repowering 4020's with tired engines with 4.5 Power Techs.  The couple I talked to were very happy with the results.  Repowering with a non-factory engine for a long time was considered taboo but has gained a lot of acceptance in the last 15 plus years.  

[acem]

There are alot of simple utility tractors around here used on poultry farms. Mostly green, orange or blue. Not many red dealers here (CaseIH or Massey)

They are all low profile, around 50 hp, two post folding ROPS (always folded, no canopy), front  end loader as simple as possible.

Those tractors have a pretty rough life in chicken and Turkey houses...

 

[Big Bud guy]

6 minutes ago, 766 Man said:

  The JD 6603 IIRC was billed as the updated 4020 when it was built during the early 2000's.  6.8L litre engine.  Full integrated cab and MFWD were options.  The Mennonites around here have been repowering 4020's with tired engines with 4.5 Power Techs.  The couple I talked to were very happy with the results.  Repowering with a non-factory engine for a long time was considered taboo but has gained a lot of acceptance in the last 15 plus years.  

4.5 in a 4020 has to look a little funny being only a 4 cylinder engine. 

[766 Man]

3 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

4.5 in a 4020 has to look a little funny being only a 4 cylinder engine. 

  I've seen them up close and they blend in fairly well.  No loud cuts to the hood or frame rails.  They claim better fuel economy and snappy in all but the toughest of chores.  I've seen 4020 repowers with the 6359 as well but those are from many years ago now.  

[Big Bud guy]

11 minutes ago, 766 Man said:

  I've seen them up close and they blend in fairly well.  No loud cuts to the hood or frame rails.  They claim better fuel economy and snappy in all but the toughest of chores.  I've seen 4020 repowers with the 6359 as well but those are from many years ago now.  

I have that engine in a JD swather.  I think they are about 110 hp.  I have no doubt they are an improvement over the original engine.  If they would put a SGB on them then they would really have something. Lack of an good cab keeps me from wanting to run 60s equipment 

[iowaboy1965]

3 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

I have that engine in a JD swather.  I think they are about 110 hp.  I have no doubt they are an improvement over the original engine.  If they would put a SGB on them then they would really have something. Lack of an good cab keeps me from wanting to run 60s equipment 

Lack of budget keeps me from running anything newer than 50s/60s equipment. Not everyone has the same needs or budget. Would I like a nice quiet cab with ac? Sure. Can't justify it currently a d may never ba able to. 

If income off of 80 or 160 acres would pay for a brand new 806 or 4020, sure I'd love one.

[766 Man]

11 minutes ago, iowaboy1965 said:

Lack of budget keeps me from running anything newer than 50s/60s equipment. Not everyone has three same needs or budget. Would I like a nice quiet cab with ac? Sure. Can't justify it currently a d may never ba able to. 

If income off of 80 or 160 acres would pay for a brand new 806 or 4020, sure I'd love one.

  My newest farm tractor was built in 1985.  As long as you are making money I would not worry about the age of your equipment.  Work gets done on time is all that matters.  

[Big Bud guy]

9 minutes ago, iowaboy1965 said:

Lack of budget keeps me from running anything newer than 50s/60s equipment. Not everyone has three same needs or budget. Would I like a nice quiet cab with ac? Sure. Can't justify it currently a d may never ba able to. 

If income off of 80 or 160 acres would pay for a brand new 806 or 4020, sure I'd love one.

If I was just farming our homestead which is about 300 acres, it wouldn’t bother me it all to run 60s equipment because I could pick and choose my work days.  That’s kinda of my plan in retirement.  For 160 acres I’d be looking at a 4030 or 986.

[Chester5732]

3 hours ago, dale560 said:

Then bump up to a 110 c. Reminds me of when the 5240s and 50s came out. There were a few new ones in area. And dealer was talking about them out pulling 1206s and 1066s. Everybody thought they were a tiny tractor but they did outwork the older models. I have all the older model tractors and if we bought a newer tractor I would imagine it would be used for everything and all the old ones would sit. Just for the creature comforts of new machines.

How do you adjust the rear tires or put axle duals on a utility tractor?

[766 Man]

2 minutes ago, Chester5732 said:

How do you adjust the rear tires or put axle duals on a utility tractor?

  Reposition the rim relative to the dish and snap on duals where recommended.