pray for the people in michigan/church

[searcyfarms]

[brahamfireman]

Sad, sad deal.

[vtfireman85]

There’s a mental health crisis in this country, it is staring everyone in the face, and those that can don’t want to say it. We used to have institutions for people like this, for their own safety and everyone else’s. 

[acem]

Yes.

Some people need to be in institutions to protect themselves and/or others.

Unfortunately our bleeding heart types want to mainstream everybody...

[cedar farm]

17 minutes ago, vtfireman85 said:

There’s a mental health crisis in this country, it is staring everyone in the face, and those that can don’t want to say it. We used to have institutions for people like this, for their own safety and everyone else’s. 

My wifes aunt worked in a mental hospital for 30 plus years. She retired a number of years back. Frustrated by all the government regulations on how to handle patients. No more restraints ect. Those who make those laws should be forced to work under them.

[acem]

Instead they are allowed to hurt people. Then they eventually end up in prison.

I expect most every prisoner in supermax (solitary  confinement) is mentally unstable. If they are not when they go in they will be that way soon.

My wife worked as a traveling nurse a short while at Varner Prison. It's part maximum security general and part supermax. The general part is  called the Arkansas Gladiator School. But the supermax is full of people with deep problems.

They should be sedated and in institutions instead of going more crazy in a concrete box with a small opening to the outside world.

 

[lotsaIHCs]

I just don't get it. More and more attacks on people because of their beliefs. I'm still banned from one forum because I made mention of how terrible the assanation of a prominent public figure was. I don't dare mention a name because it seems to be a taboo subject nowadays. 

[B.B.]

I hate to say it but good men should carry a gun.    It's come to that.   I don't like it either but I'll be damned if I'm ever in a position where I could do something but wasn't prepared.    

 

And you never see when that moment is  coming... 

 

Just cover them up gents, don't need the crazy Karen's of the world voting for more gun control because they saw one in public and they freaked out.

[mrfred54]

This is getting to close to home, bout 25 miles away. This is a crazy world we live in. Lots of veterans need help and can't get it, what a tragedy

[Chester5732]

3 minutes ago, mrfred54 said:

This is getting to close to home, bout 25 miles away. This is a crazy world we live in. Lots of veterans need help and can't get it, what a tragedy

I was not too far from there in the milk truck about the time it happened but didn’t know it. 

[Tad Wicks]

so sad , my heart goes out to them and for them.   When are we going to realize that they have declared war

[MTB98]

26 minutes ago, Tad Wicks said:

When are we going to realize that they have declared war

Who is “they”?

[searcyfarms]

15 hours ago, MTB98 said:

Who is “they”?

If you or anyone else doesnt understand who the people living with evil minds and a loss of value for human life are,  it wouldnt do me nor anyone any good to try to explain right and wrong to anyone who asks that question - evil is all around us 

[MTB98]

41 minutes ago, searcyfarms said:

If you or anyone else doesnt understand who the people living with evil minds and a loss of value for human life are,  it wouldnt do me nor anyone any good to try to explain right and wrong to anyone who asks that question - evil is all around us 

Sure there are evil people and people with mental illness that want to do harm to others. Just wondering how “we” know who “they” are so I can be prepared. 
Are “they” gun owners? A specific religion? Political party affiliation? Certain social media users? Gamers? A particular race?  Citizens of certain countries? 
There doesn’t seem to be a certain checklist of characteristics that identify them. If there were it would be much easier to prevent these type of crimes. 

[searcyfarms]

51 minutes ago, MTB98 said:

Sure there are evil people and people with mental illness that want to do harm to others. Just wondering how “we” know who “they” are so I can be prepared. 
Are “they” gun owners? A specific religion? Political party affiliation? Certain social media users? Gamers? A particular race?  Citizens of certain countries? 
There doesn’t seem to be a certain checklist of characteristics that identify them. If there were it would be much easier to prevent these type of crimes. 

you proved my point.................if you do not understand it i could never explain it, if someone is so disconnected they feel anything can justify their act when it is wrong and in many cases against the law we cant just blame things on our reason of the day.........evil is evil and if someone cant see it thats a huge red flag - there is ONE checklist characteristic that is common to all of these situations its evil - if your evil detector is broken and skewed to the extent you cannot tell the difference i would recommend seeking wise counsel from someone that is able to see it. 

[MTB98]

1 hour ago, searcyfarms said:

evil is evil and if someone cant see it thats a huge red flag - there is ONE checklist characteristic that is common to all of these situations its evil - if your evil detector is broken and skewed to the extent you cannot tell the difference i would recommend seeking wise counsel from someone that is able to see it. 

The friends and family members of these killers and alleged killers didn’t notice they were evil? 
So “they” are the evil people declaring war on everyone else?

[lotsaIHCs]

"They" can come from any race, creed, socioeconomic background, political affiliation or geographical area. Sometimes you can just "feel" "evil" emanating from a person. When I was in high school there was a kid several years younger than I was. I knew from his actions and how he interacted with people that there was something "wrong" with this kid. He personified "evil" even at a young age. He ended up murdering an 18 year old guy because the guy was dating the his ex girlfriend. The murderer was around 20 or so at the time. Then his grandma bailed him out of jail and he hanged himself because he knew he was going to prison for life. Sometimes you just know.

[searcyfarms]

1 hour ago, MTB98 said:

The friends and family members of these killers and alleged killers didn’t notice they were evil? 
So “they” are the evil people declaring war on everyone else?

They can be anyone, like said above @lotsaIHCs, Evil isn't picky, it chooses all kinds to mess with. We have to be aware of the evil to notice it, and who said evil was just killing someone i didnt even mention killing I was just taking evil in general to the extent of right/wrong - good/bad - there is evil in every extreme just like goodness.  If you aren't feeling it, aren't seeing it' aren't noticing it, ignoring it, a person should be asking themselves those questions. 

We have so much to be thankful for and if you cant see goodness either thats sad.  

[mark60]

some people think you can solve the problem by telling the people with the problems to take a pill.  that might work for some but not all. and who makes sure they take the pills that's why some need more supervision like they would get in a institution. but that costs money.

[searcyfarms]

23 minutes ago, mark60 said:

some people think you can solve the problem by telling the people with the problems to take a pill.  that might work for some but not all. and who makes sure they take the pills that's why some need more supervision like they would get in a institution. but that costs money.

yes sir mark, a pill doesnt teach discernment or wisdom, a pill only masks what lies beneath, no different than drugs, alcohol, or any other numbing mechanism you want to throw at it. 

So lets say we do like so many, myself included, we chosing to turn a deaf ear to a situation, stick my head in the sand like its not real. If you ignore things (like so many of us have been )  they do not go away any more than taking a pill causes something to not exist, It just temporarily blinds us to the truth.

There lies the evil, we can try to ignore it, we can try to hide from it, we can pick and choose how we engage and we can try to convince someone its really not evil by making excuses. Then we try justifying our sin but it doesnt make it right or okay, at that point we are so wrapped up in the evil we dont even see the road we have traveled down. 

Thats when we need to stop and revisit all of this that we are sitting in, how did we get here, what can we do to get that light shining again. 

That is when the healing starts, its no different for a person than it is for a home, church, business, country, we watch it happening all around us every day. 

I strongly believe until we all put our lights together we will not be able to defeat this darkness that has been happening. 

 

[MTB98]

53 minutes ago, searcyfarms said:

Thats when we need to stop and revisit all of this that we are sitting in, how did we get here, what can we do to get that light shining again. 

Throughout history there are plenty of examples of times when men agree to decide who is evil, or not, and what to do preemptively to those people they deemed to be the evil ones. That has never worked out well. There is always someone less evil than you or more evil. The result is a regime that is more evil than the perceived evil they were battling against. 
There has been one guy that taught us how to live and interact with everyone else. He was promptly executed. 

[searcyfarms]

16 minutes ago, MTB98 said:

Throughout history there are plenty of examples of times when men agree to decide who is evil, or not, and what to do preemptively to those people they deemed to be the evil ones. That has never worked out well. There is always someone less evil than you or more evil. The result is a regime that is more evil than the perceived evil they were battling against. 
There has been one guy that taught us how to live and interact with everyone else. He was promptly executed. 

aaaaah yes but he rose from the dead so we could fight this evil 

[MTB98]

2 minutes ago, searcyfarms said:

aaaaah yes but he rose from the dead so we could fight this evil 

To fight it or save us from it? 
It’s not for men to determine who is the most righteous or even righteous enough. 

[searcyfarms]

12 minutes ago, MTB98 said:

To fight it or save us from it? 
It’s not for men to determine who is the most righteous or even righteous enough. 

no one is claiming who is righteous or not, we are calling evil evil. if you cannot discern evil from good then where is ones mind, and we are to judge by a persons fruit - hence how we can discern evil from good hopefully 

[jeeper61]

6 hours ago, MTB98 said:

Just wondering how “we” know who “they” are so I can be prepared. 

 If you have to ask you can't be prepared