450vs560

[Chester5732]

8 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

Would a hand clutch be a pita on an IH tractor?  

Yup

[hillman]

11 hours ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

. Especially for maintenance. The clutch linings can literally be changed in no time at all while removing almost no parts at all. If you don’t have a loader, there are a lot of advantages to that design. How does an IH hand clutch work? I have never seen one. 

IH hand clutch used the same disc as foot clutch with an over center pp and that big adjustable ring . very similar to some old combine's separator clutch when everything was mechanical

can't really say maintenance is a huge advantage because the old IH tractors had excellent clutches in them and gave more than expected hours out of a clutch and easy to change 

pic of Gleaner clutch 

[Big Bud guy]

8 hours ago, dale560 said:

I don’t remember any 15 30 being used for anything in my lifetime. We had  junk 22/36 in the yard for a long time. My dads dad had old ford sons in south Dakota in the early 30s he then bought 2 22/36s hauled them back to North Dakota when he moved back in the late 30s then bought jd two cyl. A 48 D 45 or 46 A , then traded for the one pictured and a H Jd. At the time of picture with snow dad had the A jd , Hjd that 806, maybe his 1206 and a 900 case. About 3000 acres or so of crop land. He didn’t have a 4wd tractor or pickup yet.

 

 

This came with some land we bought a couple of years ago.  My question still stands. I wouldn’t want a hand clutch on a loader tractor but I’d probably take your A over something like this.  People back then made do with what they had. 

[766 Man]

5 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

 

 

This came with some land we bought a couple of years ago.  My question still stands. I wouldn’t want a hand clutch on a loader tractor but I’d probably take your A over something like this.  People back then made do with what they had. 

  A minor improvement came with the JD 45 loader with an optional left hand valve control assembly.

[Big Bud guy]

Just now, 766 Man said:

  A minor improvement came with the JD 45 loader with an optional left hand valve control assembly.

Our Farmhand had the stick on the left side like in the picture.  Never have been around a 45.  Did they have 4 way lever valve that controlled everything like Farmhand? 

[766 Man]

7 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

Our Farmhand had the stick on the left side like in the picture.  Never have been around a 45.  Did they have 4 way lever valve that controlled everything like Farmhand? 

  One spool for boom or two spool (two levers) for boom plus bucket.  

[Big Bud guy]

4 minutes ago, 766 Man said:

  One spool for boom or two spool (two levers) for boom plus bucket.  

I guess Farmhand was leading the pack then.  These were damn good loaders so much that JD copied them with the 52 loader

[dale560]

2 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

 

 

This came with some land we bought a couple of years ago.  My question still stands. I wouldn’t want a hand clutch on a loader tractor but I’d probably take your A over something like this.  People back then made do with what they had. 

Is that a 15/30 or late enough to be a 22/36? It looks to have red paint not grey. 

[Big Bud guy]

2 minutes ago, dale560 said:

Is that a 15/30 or late enough to be a 22/36? It looks to have red paint not grey. 

I really don’t know.  How do you tell?  I can’t find anywhere that says what it is.  Red paint didn’t come out until sometime like the 30s I thought.  I don’t think this has red paint but there is also a WK-40 there and it definitely has red paint 

[lotsaIHCs]

16 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

Would a hand clutch be a pita on an IH tractor?  

Yes

[Drysleeves]

2150 Red officially started 1 November 1936

[dale560]

4 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

I really don’t know.  How do you tell?  I can’t find anywhere that says what it is.  Red paint didn’t come out until sometime like the 30s I thought.  I don’t think this has red paint but there is also a WK-40 there and it definitely has red paint 

Serial number and if they have oil bath air cleaner. The early tractors had a water bath filter I believe. 

[dale560]

1 hour ago, lotsaIHCs said:

Yes

[Big Bud guy]

17 minutes ago, dale560 said:

Serial number and if they have oil bath air cleaner. The early tractors had a water bath filter I believe. 

That’s the problem I really can’t find the serial number.  Where is it suppose to be?

[dale560]

21 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

That’s the problem I really can’t find the serial number.  Where is it suppose to be?

They are stamped someplace but I thought the one we had it was on fuel tank support. I guess I forget they are not new enough for the red 50 paint. They went to the w30 and 40 after those.

[Binderoid]

On 12/17/2025 at 6:42 PM, Big Bud guy said:

Horsepower and engine wise a 9n is the same as a Farmall A.  Blame ford/fergie for advertising the 9n as a full 2 plow tractor like the H.  

What exactly is a "full" two-plow tractor? 

 

[hillman]

I personally have never seen a 1 furrow plow on a N tractor

 

 

[MacAR]

33 minutes ago, hillman said:

I personally have never seen a 1 furrow plow on a N tractor

 

 

I have, actually. It was a homemade job out of an old horsedrawn plow. Seemed to work ok for the old guy that used it in his garden. When I had an N, I used a two-bottom. Lots of spinning but it did the job. 

[hillman]

1 hour ago, MacAR said:

I have, actually. It was a homemade job out of an old horsedrawn plow. Seemed to work ok for the old guy that used it in his garden. When I had an N, I used a two-bottom. Lots of spinning but it did the job. 

they actually pull 2 bottoms well. 

[MacAR]

20 minutes ago, hillman said:

they actually pull 2 bottoms well. 

One in good shape probably does, but mine was pretty tired. 

[acem]

I've seen lots of single bottom plows round here.  Guess they were used on those small tractors they had.

Down in the bottoms, like I farm, they didn't use turning plows much.  They used middle busters to tear down beads in the fall and then make them again.  Later they knocked them down with a disk and made them with a disk bedder.

[John Rowehl]

I might have missed it somewhere amongst all these posts but what was it about the diesel 450 that has resulted in it getting so few votes? Some particular problem with that engine?

[iowaboy1965]

4 hours ago, John Rowehl said:

I might have missed it somewhere amongst all these posts but what was it about the diesel 450 that has resulted in it getting so few votes? Some particular problem with that engine?

Probably the whole gas start then switch to diesel? The mechanism could stick and make them hard to start I believe. Mostly after sitting for a few years? Also I think if you didn't cool one down properly before shutting them off, they would tend to crack the head.

My uncle had one back when they were current. He had some problems with the head. Once for sure  when it caught fire in the field so obviously he was not able to let it cool down before he killed it. 

He had several gas 400/450s as well. Grandpa had a 400 I think.

They both had 400s for a while. Uncle Bill's had M&W firedomes  in it and grand pas was all stock. He said he could pull a plow a gear faster than Grandpa, but had to stop for fuel a hour or 2 sooner also. Somewhere I have a picture of uncle Bill on one of his 400s that the guy before him had repainted.

[Big Bud guy]

1 hour ago, John Rowehl said:

I might have missed it somewhere amongst all these posts but what was it about the diesel 450 that has resulted in it getting so few votes? Some particular problem with that engine?

That would have been my choice if I was going to use it as a heavy duty plow tractor.  For a hay/yard tractor something you might be starting up several times a day a gas is just more convenient.  For a collector I think I still rather have a gas and not worry about that head issue on a 70 year old tractor 

[John Rowehl]

It would be interesting to know how many of the total number of 450s sold were diesels. I don’t see that broken down on tractordata.com.

They do show with the Ms that 270,140 total were sold and separately listed was the MD with 18,253 sold. Less than 7%.

We had a TD-6 crawler. I understand it had the same engine as the MD. I know it isn’t the same engine as the 450 diesel but it had the start on gas/switch to diesel system. It pulled a 4 row potato planter for 20 seasons among other things. Never had any engine problems that I heard of.

I remember the sound of the engine when you switched it from gas over to diesel like it was yesterday. Ahhh, nostalgia.