450vs560

[OFFTHEFARM]

1 minute ago, jass1660 said:

Deere brought them the next generation x9 prototype and corporate couldn’t keep it operating for them.

If that doesn't instill confidence in your $800k combine I don't know what will!! 😆

[marty966]

10 minutes ago, jass1660 said:

Deere brought them the next generation x9 prototype and corporate couldn’t keep it operating for them.

IIRC there is at least one member of this forum running X9`s. wonder what their experience has been.

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

All of these companies want you to depend on them for service and they can’t really provide it. Only the best of the best customers know that someone is coming right away when they call. Everyone else knows “they get there when they get there”. 

[marty966]

3 hours ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

All of these companies want you to depend on them for service and they can’t really provide it. Only the best of the best customers know that someone is coming right away when they call. Everyone else knows “they get there when they get there”. 

Thread seems to have veered slightly off course, 560 diesel gets my vote.

[hillman]

5 minutes ago, marty966 said:

Thread seems to have veered slightly off course, 560 diesel gets my vote.

always the same 2 guys jumping to Ford or John Deere

[marty966]

7 minutes ago, hillman said:

always the same 2 guys jumping to Ford or John Deere

 

8 minutes ago, hillman said:

always the same 2 guys jumping to Ford or John Deere

Yep, amazing isn`t it? We get to vote on which red tractor we prefer and discuss (other) colors on the same thread?

[Old-F20]

Back to the 450 VS 560 topic.....

Ive got a 450 gasser, 450 diesel and a 450 LP along with a 560 Diesel and they all have their pros and cons along with 'quirks'......

if you talk fuel economy its hands down the 560D any day of the week. The 450D isnt too bad for the work it does. any form of heavy work and the 450G and the 450LP act like drunk sailors on a friday night and down all they can....


operator convenience is pretty much the same between all of them. 

as far as pulling power i cant really compare since my 560 is turboed and has no problem pulling a 5-16 plow even in 3rd direct. the 450's can handle a 4-14 at my place fairly well

For me it comes down to whats closest to the door and how much fuel i feel like burning that day.....lol 

[dale560]

On 12/17/2025 at 6:25 PM, lotsaIHCs said:

And you wouldn't have to listen to that gawd awful putt putt putt all day. I don't know about anywhere else, but in ND I'd bet there are 5 times as many farms that still have an H, M Hundred or 50 series in use compared to all 2 cyl. poppers combined. I tried a JD 60 with an F10 Farmhand. What a pos for a loader tractor. I  about needed 3 arms to run the loader, hand clutch and steering.

Just need some skillful coordination. I agree the Ms are probably still in use but put putts had there place also.

[dale560]

I would take a 560 diesel than a gas 560. Ran a 400 just a little before I sold them but bucket list tractor is a super M ta. I have never understood the hatred of the two cyl. Ran them a lot when young and got by. 

[Chester5732]

16 minutes ago, dale560 said:

I would take a 560 diesel than a gas 560. Ran a 400 just a little before I sold them but bucket list tractor is a super M ta. I have never understood the hatred of the two cyl. Ran them a lot when young and got by. 

A hand clutch is a pita, brake pedals on opposite sides is awkward and that banging racket gives me a headache.  Other than that they aren’t too bad. 

[Big Bud guy]

7 minutes ago, Chester5732 said:

A hand clutch is a pita, brake pedals on opposite sides is awkward and that banging racket gives me a headache.  Other than that they aren’t too bad. 

Would a hand clutch be a pita on an IH tractor?  

[Big Bud guy]

41 minutes ago, dale560 said:

Just need some skillful coordination. I agree the Ms are probably still in use but put putts had there place also.

Neighbor of mine used a styled AR for seeding hay fields until they had to sell out in 2000.  That was the oldest 2 cylinder I knew of still I use.  Was a number of 2 cylinder diesels still in the fields around here until those guys retired

[marty966]

26 minutes ago, Chester5732 said:

A hand clutch is a pita, brake pedals on opposite sides is awkward and that banging racket gives me a headache.  Other than that they aren’t too bad. 

Similar to running an IH TD6 crawler tractor minus the 2 lunger racket. Put quite a few hours on a TD6 62 series tractor with a Drott loader.

[dale560]

45 minutes ago, Chester5732 said:

A hand clutch is a pita, brake pedals on opposite sides is awkward and that banging racket gives me a headache.  Other than that they aren’t too bad. 

In the way back Time Machine. In the early 1980s we did a lot of chore work with a 52 A and later a 50 and 60 jd. My younger brother and I terrorized the farmyard with a H jd. Plus two super Ms and H IH. I was 11 or 12 and learned quick I drove the tractor if hooking up to auger or other things. Dads hired men didn’t grasp the hand clutch. They would run over you trying to step clutch in. We grew up on them not a problem to run them. Funny thing is I can still picture the one uncles kid stomping the floor looking for the clutch pedal. They had a hand clutch 930 case at home it shouldn’t have been hard. I have ran all the hand clutch ones case 30 series, IH 06 and older ones td9 crawlers not a problem with any of them

[MacAR]

40 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

Would a hand clutch be a pita on an IH tractor?  

Any hand clutch is a pita for me. The clutch belongs on a pedal, the gear shift goes between your feet, the throttle goes behind the steering wheel, hydraulic levers go on the dash and the PTO lever should be at or near the right hand. Everything else is just wrong, including the left hand PTO rod on the IH letter series and the dash shifters on the 06 series.  

[marty966]

Would have to say for myself the left hand shifting on the IH 86s have been the most difficult one to get used to. personal preference is the 66s and of course the 88s shifter arrangement .I guess all comes back to whatever someone is familiar with.

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

I sure wouldn’t want to run a hand clutch with a loader. There were very few loaders on tractors here of any kind 75 years ago. I could see the Deere hand clutch being a major selling point to someone in the 1950’s and earlier. Especially for maintenance. The clutch linings can literally be changed in no time at all while removing almost no parts at all. If you don’t have a loader, there are a lot of advantages to that design. How does an IH hand clutch work? I have never seen one. 

[dale560]

9 minutes ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

I sure wouldn’t want to run a hand clutch with a loader. There were very few loaders on tractors here of any kind 75 years ago. I could see the Deere hand clutch being a major selling point to someone in the 1950’s and earlier. Especially for maintenance. The clutch linings can literally be changed in no time at all while removing almost no parts at all. If you don’t have a loader, there are a lot of advantages to that design. How does an IH hand clutch work? I have never seen one. 

Here’s a pic of pp from a 806 or 915 combine. They were all setup like this pressure plate. A picture of a A jd that was on a farmhand for 25 years. This was dads older A his dad bought used in the early 50s

[dale560]

If I remember correctly IH lever was on the left side making it akward for us classically trained guys to adapt. Also a picture of that same A on a farmhand in 74 and on a IH square baler about a year or 2 before corn cultivator got mounted for last time and it was parked in shed. Dad bought the super Ms about the time of baler pic. Then we had 560s , 400s and such.

[dale560]

This is picture of the first and last 560 we had. A partner of dad’s gave us a wd45 for fixing up 4 other tractors years ago. Dad took our tractor then and sold it with the money and 800 more we bought this one and fixed it up. My brother actually had a better running and mechanical shape we sold before but had poorer appearance. Also had a 504 diesel for a bit.

[dale560]

17 minutes ago, dale560 said:

Here’s a pic of pp from a 806 or 915 combine. They were all setup like this pressure plate. A picture of a A jd that was on a farmhand for 25 years. This was dads older A his dad bought used in the early 50s

One day I will post a better pic of the pile of clutches, engine cores and heads so you guys can play where’s Waldo on some of the stuff that we saved then scrapped. 

[Big Bud guy]

1 hour ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

I sure wouldn’t want to run a hand clutch with a loader. There were very few loaders on tractors here of any kind 75 years ago. 

Loaders became common around here in the 50s.  95% of them were Farmhands like what Dale has posted.  What would be more “miserable” to operate?  A IH 15-30 with a loader or a newer rowcrop tractor like a JD styled A with a loader? 

[Sledgehammer]

W450G for me. Maybe someday anyhow 😊

[acem]

When dad bought the 560D he just had cattle.  Everyone said he was nuts for buying such a large tractor for cattle.  There was absolutely no reason for that much power on a cattle operation.  Dad bought it to run a 15ft batwing brushog in 1970?  It had two remotes to raise and fold up the hog. 

Most cowboys had an N series (jubilee, etc), C, or similar sized tractor.  Massey was popular but I don't know their numbers that well.  They cut hay with a 7 ft sickle mower, side delivery rake and used a big tractor (30hp?) to run the square baler real slow. Most cowboy tractors either had one remote or a 3 point.  

They became a believer of the 560D when it ran the square baler for the first time.  

Now most cowboys here have a 40-100 hp utility tractor.  Even the big operators running a thousand head or more rarely have anything as big as the modern equivilant of  a 1086 or 4440.  The JD 4x30 and 4x40 tractors are well liked here but the 44 is considered too big.  The 46/48 has no 540 shaft so they won't even consider it.  IH is orphaned due to a lack of local dealers.  Used to be alot of Oliver and White tractors here until the local dealer shut down.  Those little Oliver utility tractors were well liked by cowboys.  I've seen them running a 4x5 round baler, very slowly.

 

 

[dale560]

48 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

Loaders became common around here in the 50s.  95% of them were Farmhands like what Dale has posted.  What would be more “miserable” to operate?  A IH 15-30 with a loader or a newer rowcrop tractor like a JD styled A with a loader? 

I don’t remember any 15 30 being used for anything in my lifetime. We had  junk 22/36 in the yard for a long time. My dads dad had old ford sons in south Dakota in the early 30s he then bought 2 22/36s hauled them back to North Dakota when he moved back in the late 30s then bought jd two cyl. A 48 D 45 or 46 A , then traded for the one pictured and a H Jd. At the time of picture with snow dad had the A jd , Hjd that 806, maybe his 1206 and a 900 case. About 3000 acres or so of crop land. He didn’t have a 4wd tractor or pickup yet.