Yellow co-op combine???

[Loadstar]

25 minutes ago, Sask466 said:

With the exception of the Steiger, my feeling was that everything else CCIL was second rate in terms of quality - the implements and swathers were more lightly and crudely built.  I think it was a value line of equipment.  

 

 

The CCIL diskers had a good reputation and seemed to sell well here. Used for seeding and summerfallow. In the early days CCIL (Co-op) sold repainted and decalled Cockshutt tractors like this 570 although for some reason this one still has the Cockshutt appearance package. 

[Big Bud guy]

2 hours ago, Sask466 said:

With the exception of the Steiger, my feeling was that everything else CCIL was second rate in terms of quality - the implements and swathers were more lightly and crudely built.  I think it was a value line of equipment.  
 

Interesting question on the Steiger, and I would like to know too. How did a 4586 compare to a larger Cougar or smaller Panther line?   Dad always told me Steigers were better than the rest in terms of quality and were pricey.  
 

Maybe the Bearcat/Wildcat line wasn’t as heavily built as the larger frame Steigers though?

 

 

CCIL did sell Cockshutt 30s under their name too.  Those are high quality.  I’ve never been around CCIL equipment but some of the equipment from the majors was a value line IMO like Massey.  Acem once said his 4366 is built lighter than the equivalent Steiger. 

[nepoweshiekfarmalls]

8 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

CCIL did sell Cockshutt 30s under their name too.  Those are high quality.  I’ve never been around CCIL equipment but some of the equipment from the majors was a value line IMO like Massey.  Acem once said his 4366 is built lighter than the equivalent Steiger. 

The Steiger built IH 4wd tractors used the Steiger frame; but IH supplied the engines and axles, hydraulic valves, etc.  Likely not as robust as the ones Steiger used.

[Big Bud guy]

2 minutes ago, nepoweshiekfarmalls said:

The Steiger built IH 4wd tractors used the Steiger frame; but IH supplied the engines and axles, hydraulic valves, etc.  Likely not as robust as the ones Steiger used.

Hopefully Acem will chime in to clarify but I’m thinking he said the frame on his was 3/8” and I know Steigers were 1/2”. 

[acem]

I measured it a while back and I think it was 3/8.  If I get a chance I will measure it again.

Never had any frame problems. 

A friend has a 4586 with a 855 cummins.  I can measure it too but it may be a while before I get there.

[A554]

I worked on a farm at Riverton, Manitoba in 1979 through an exchange program. Our neighbour had a CCIL branded Steiger that was used in the spring to pull a packer drill.

[Loadstar]

17 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

CCIL did sell Cockshutt 30s under their name too.  Those are high quality.  I’ve never been around CCIL equipment but some of the equipment from the majors was a value line IMO like Massey.  Acem once said his 4366 is built lighter than the equivalent Steiger. 

Co-op sold the whole Cockshutt line when they originated in the late 1940s. I have the literature and it includes the full line of tractors, harvest and tillage equipment. A Cockshutt 30 was labelled as "E3". E was added to all the tractors. 

[Big Bud guy]

10 hours ago, acem said:

I measured it a while back and I think it was 3/8.  If I get a chance I will measure it again.

Never had any frame problems. 

 

Versatile used 3/8” the whole time and they did fine.  That’s why they were cheaper than a Steiger.  Less iron less money.

[Big Bud guy]

40 minutes ago, Loadstar said:

Co-op sold the whole Cockshutt line when they originated in the late 1940s. I have the literature and it includes the full line of tractors, harvest and tillage equipment. A Cockshutt 30 was labelled as "E3". E was added to all the tractors. 

Nice.  The Cockshutt 30 was sold under 4 different names.  Cockshutt, Co-op, CCIL, and Gambles Farmcrest.  Only one I haven’t run across is the CCIL

[Loadstar]

31 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

Nice.  The Cockshutt 30 was sold under 4 different names.  Cockshutt, Co-op, CCIL, and Gambles Farmcrest.  Only one I haven’t run across is the CCIL

I have only seen one labelled CCIL in a photo in the book "About Cockshutt" by William Cockshutt. CCIL was a Western Canada / Prairie provinces thing. 

[Big Bud guy]

3 minutes ago, Loadstar said:

I have only seen one labelled CCIL in a photo in the book "About Cockshutt" by William Cockshutt. CCIL was a Western Canada / Prairie provinces thing. 

I get the impression the CCIL 30s are the rarest of the bunch even more so then the Gambles 30.

[acem]

On 9/20/2024 at 1:22 PM, Loadstar said:

The CCIL diskers had a good reputation and seemed to sell well here. Used for seeding and summerfallow. In the early days CCIL (Co-op) sold repainted and decalled Cockshutt tractors like this 570 although for some reason this one still has the Cockshutt appearance package. 

What's up with stacking the square bales in a pyramid?

Never seen that done before.

[Loadstar]

3 hours ago, acem said:

What's up with stacking the square bales in a pyramid?

Never seen that done before.

Standard procedure here when we hauled them by hand. It tied the stack together and tended to shed the rain better. A straight up and down stack of small squares would fall apart. Same thing hauling in from the field. Start out with three across on the lower layers and end up with a single row along the top. Picture of one of ours back in the 80s. 

[Absent Minded Farmer]

Here are a couple more takes on CCIL/CO-OP equipment from over on the YT forum. It just resurfaced this AM.

More info....

Mike

[U-C]

On 9/20/2024 at 1:53 PM, Sask466 said:

With the exception of the Steiger, my feeling was that everything else CCIL was second rate in terms of quality - the implements and swathers were more lightly and crudely built.  I think it was a value line of equipment.  
 

Interesting question on the Steiger, and I would like to know too. How did a 4586 compare to a larger Cougar or smaller Panther line?   Dad always told me Steigers were better than the rest in terms of quality and were pricey.  
 

Maybe the Bearcat/Wildcat line wasn’t as heavily built as the larger frame Steigers though?

 

 

Actually when it came to quality the CCIL swathers where well build machines, what I have heard they where even better then the Versatile Swathers, same with their Tillage line

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[Sask466]

On 9/24/2024 at 9:48 AM, U-C said:

Actually when it came to quality the CCIL swathers where well build machines, what I have heard they where even better then the Versatile Swathers, same with their Tillage line

We had a Versatile 4400, it was built light for sure.  It ran fast though and cut well.  A CCIL may have been more robust, i don’t know enough to say.  But something built heavier than Versy isn’t a big accomplishment, haha!  
 

A neighbour had a CCIL 550 and it was pretty crude I recall.  I found a picture off the web:

 

If anyone is interested, I found the PAMI (Prairie Agricultural Machine Institute) report for it.  Think of PAMI as the Canuck version of University of Nebraska.  They have lots of old machinery tests if you google them.  I attached one for a 1682 IH pull-type if anyone is interested.

[U-C]

On 9/26/2024 at 7:45 PM, Sask466 said:

We had a Versatile 4400, it was built light for sure.  It ran fast though and cut well.  A CCIL may have been more robust, i don’t know enough to say.  But something built heavier than Versy isn’t a big accomplishment, haha!  
 

A neighbour had a CCIL 550 and it was pretty crude I recall.  I found a picture off the web:

 

If anyone is interested, I found the PAMI (Prairie Agricultural Machine Institute) report for it.  Think of PAMI as the Canuck version of University of Nebraska.  They have lots of old machinery tests if you google them.  I attached one for a 1682 IH pull-type if anyone is interested.

here is a cool old CCIL promotional Film 

 

[IKS]

On 9/18/2024 at 4:11 PM, db1486 said:

The 1400 and 1500 were built in Belgium, and I would assume were the predecessor to the TX line up. There was a few 14/1500's around here when I was kid, lots of TX66 though. They were/are everywhere

There was an 8xxx series after the 1xxx before the TX and I am not sure about any more. 

[jordi 1455]

On 9/18/2024 at 8:06 PM, Big Bud guy said:

Doing a little googling it looks like a Clayson M103 from the early 60s.  Clayson BTW was originally Claeys but changed their name because it sounded too similar to Claas.  And Claeys/Clayson's first combine was basically a JD 55 with a wider separator.  I don't know how or if it was a license but it used castings with JD numbers all over it.  

Yes it's a Clayson.

[midnightman]

On 9/26/2024 at 6:45 PM, Sask466 said:

We had a Versatile 4400, it was built light for sure.  It ran fast though and cut well.  A CCIL may have been more robust, i don’t know enough to say.  But something built heavier than Versy isn’t a big accomplishment, haha!  
 

A neighbour had a CCIL 550 and it was pretty crude I recall.  I found a picture off the web:

 

 

 

 

We had an 18’ 550. They were well built machines and we never had any major issues with ours in the 20+ years we had it. The table design lasted through into the MF 200 swathers. 

[jaydog]

I find it odd that so few people have heard or seen a yellow fellow(CCIL) combine.   They were imported from belgium I believe it was??   These things were everywhere in Manitoba and Saskatchewan in the 70's/80's.  They had a Deutz air cooled engine.   I believe the cab was manufactured by CCIL.  I spent many hours combining in them.  They were quite common around here back in the day.  1965'ish machines.  

[midnightman]

Don’t have to spend too much time driving around here to find one parked in the bush or fencerow.

[Big Bud guy]

14 hours ago, jaydog said:

I find it odd that so few people have heard or seen a yellow fellow(CCIL) combine.   They were imported from belgium I believe it was??   These things were everywhere in Manitoba and Saskatchewan in the 70's/80's.  They had a Deutz air cooled engine.   I believe the cab was manufactured by CCIL.  I spent many hours combining in them.  They were quite common around here back in the day.  1965'ish machines.  

Not everyone lives in those two providences.  Ever heard of Harris combines?   Probably not unless you live in the Pacific Northwest

[U-C]

On 9/21/2024 at 10:30 AM, Big Bud guy said:

Nice.  The Cockshutt 30 was sold under 4 different names.  Cockshutt, Co-op, CCIL, and Gambles Farmcrest.  Only one I haven’t run across is the CCIL

the reason for that was because they where branded as Co-op (CCIL was for Canadian Cooperative Implements LTD) When Cockshutt made the deal with the US based CO-OP to sell their tractors they said they will agree only if the Canadian Co op is included in the deal