Alan Dinan Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, acem said: You are delusional. Obviously the 12v Cummins Dodge is the ultimate pickup!!! Except for the tranny! 2 Quote
Alan Dinan Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I’ll take my Duramax with 6-speed manual over a Frod or Dodge. The ultimate would be a square body Chevy with 12 valve Cummins and Allison auto. 2 Quote
jeeper61 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 20 minutes ago, Alan Dinan said: Except for the tranny! They can get free therapy 5 Quote
Binderoid Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I still love my Fords, but economics forced me into an S10 with a 2.2 . That little engine is something else. While changing a head gasket, the pistons were so sloppy that they could have been connected to the rod with a ball/socket arrangement rather than a wrist pin. Whether I should overhaul, I considered 2 factors. 1). Does it knock? No. 2). Burn oil? No. Just clap the head back on and run it. That engine deserves a 'future use' spot under my bench when the truck is gone. Quote
jeeper61 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 33 minutes ago, Binderoid said: I still love my Fords, but economics forced me into an S10 with a 2.2 . That little engine is something else. While changing a head gasket, the pistons were so sloppy that they could have been connected to the rod with a ball/socket arrangement rather than a wrist pin. Whether I should overhaul, I considered 2 factors. 1). Does it knock? No. 2). Burn oil? No. Just clap the head back on and run it. That engine deserves a 'future use' spot under my bench when the truck is gone. Had a 95 I bought at auction cheep Was a good truck after I changed the head the original had porosity in the casting was loosing coolant Got 25-26 mpg on the highway but wasn't much for power on the hills Not impressed with two things on those 2.2s The fuel injection system uses some funky injectors and the coil pack are 2 cylinders each. All different from the LS motors. You would think some of design criteria given to the design team would be use as many common parts with other high volume platforms. That is just lack of leadership in R&D which is the down fall of most companies Quote
Reichow7120 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, jeeper61 said: That is just lack of leadership in R&D which is the down fall of most companies I think part of the problem also involves the bean counters sticking their noses where it doesn't belong. In days gone by. Stockholders were content with getting a modest return on their investment. Now that investment has to grow every year. No matter what. The bean counters keeping their masters happy were given power that they never used to wield and their fingerprints show on everything. 4 Quote
766 Man Posted January 4 Posted January 4 22 minutes ago, Reichow7120 said: I think part of the problem also involves the bean counters sticking their noses where it doesn't belong. In days gone by. Stockholders were content with getting a modest return on their investment. Now that investment has to grow every year. No matter what. The bean counters keeping their masters happy were given power that they never used to wield and their fingerprints show on everything. The desire for being the most wealthy and outdoing the other guy is going to lead to a failure of the system. Just my opinion but when the goal was to have a good home and a modest vehicle people got by on less. Today its about having the most expensive vehicle without having a Cadillac or Lincoln nameplate because that it what stuffy old people drove in our youth. We need far more square footage in our homes even if we do not use most of it. The other guy makes X amount of money for 40 hours per week so we need to make X plus Y otherwise we are some kind of loser. People need to mature and see that there is more to life than an all out drive to acquire wealth. 3 Quote
Binderoid Posted January 4 Posted January 4 46 minutes ago, jeeper61 said: Had a 95 I bought at auction cheep Was a good truck after I changed the head the original had porosity in the casting was loosing coolant Got 25-26 mpg on the highway but wasn't much for power on the hills Not impressed with two things on those 2.2s The fuel injection system uses some funky injectors and the coil pack are 2 cylinders each. All different from the LS motors. You would think some of design criteria given to the design team would be use as many common parts with other high volume platforms. That is just lack of leadership in R&D which is the down fall of most companies Im even less of a fan of a single compression ring in the 3204 of a D4H. Thank God the bean counters allowed us to have an oil ring. 1 Quote
Powered by IH Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Alan Dinan said: The ultimate would be a square body Chevy with 12 valve Cummins and Allison auto. 1 Quote
dale560 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, MacAR said: All I have to say about Ford vs. Chevy - Those ford six cylinders were tough engines. 1 Quote
MacAR Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 minute ago, dale560 said: Those ford six cylinders were tough engines. Darn right they were! I don't know of any engine that lasted as long as those would... but when you consider they only made about 190 horsepower and wouldn't rev much over four grand, they were hard to wear out! Still, I've owned a couple that did everything I asked (and more) and they never gave me an ounce of trouble. 2 Quote
dale560 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 How about a 5020 with a kitty cat 3306. This would be a good match for the 4wd tractors. 2 1 Quote
dale560 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 minute ago, MacAR said: Darn right they were! I don't know of any engine that lasted as long as those would... but when you consider they only made about 190 horsepower and wouldn't rev much over four grand, they were hard to wear out! Still, I've owned a couple that did everything I asked (and more) and they never gave me an ounce of trouble. I am not a Ford man but the 200 six industrial on a versatile swather was indestructible. I don’t mind ford but always been a gm guy. There were a bunch of late 70 mid 80 sixes around both ford and gm and of course every Chrysler from the 70s with the slant six. 2 Quote
jeeper61 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, dale560 said: Those ford six cylinders were tough engines. Making some good power with modified LS heads https://www.hotrod.com/how-to/300-ford-inline-straight-six-with-ls-head-engine-build-part-2 Quote
Big Bud guy Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, dale560 said: How about a 5020 with a kitty cat 3306. This would be a good match for the 4wd tractors. Similar horsepower and displacement to the 619 so yes I agree. 1 Quote
dale560 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 How about spending hours cultivating row crops. This is from a Canadian video they are raising sunflowers in the late 1950s. Sunflowers took off around here in the late seventies. Plus the entire Dallas lineup. 2 Quote
Binderoid Posted January 4 Posted January 4 People love those 6BT's ... but I think only REAL Diesels have sleeves. There are a couple very well done square bodies on you-tube with 6V53's in them. One guy even used mufflers. Quote
Littlefeller Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Alan Dinan said: I’ll take my Duramax with 6-speed manual over a Frod or Dodge. The ultimate would be a square body Chevy with 12 valve Cummins and Allison auto. That ZF 6 speed manual in yours is the exact same as the 6 speed in my 99 Powerstroke. Except mine has cooling lines like an auto, yours doesnt. Ford and Chevy used the same ZF manual transmission. Quote
Binderoid Posted January 4 Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, dale560 said: How about a 5020 with a kitty cat 3306. This would be a good match for the 4wd tractors. 3306 is another good motor.... can throw the tractor away, though.... 4 Quote
MacAR Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Just now, dale560 said: I am not a Ford man but the 200 six industrial on a versatile swather was indestructible. I don’t mind ford but always been a gm guy. There were a bunch of late 70 mid 80 sixes around both ford and gm and of course every Chrysler from the 70s with the slant six. Believe it or not, I used to be a GM guy until a 2009 GMC Sierra destroyed my opinion of them. I spent a fortune keeping that truck on the road between the AFM 4/8 cylinder thing and the junk front end. If it hadn't been my daily driver I might have reconsidered; my farm trucks have always been Fords so I just bought a newer one for a daily. I always wanted to put one of those 200 sixes into a 300 or 350; don't know if the trans/rear would hold up but it'd sure wake one up! Quote
MacAR Posted January 4 Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, jeeper61 said: Making some good power with modified LS heads https://www.hotrod.com/how-to/300-ford-inline-straight-six-with-ls-head-engine-build-part-2 There was a lot of thought, time, and effort that went into that... never seen a hair dryer on a 300, but I bet that woke 'er up! Quote
766 Man Posted January 4 Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, MacAR said: Believe it or not, I used to be a GM guy until a 2009 GMC Sierra destroyed my opinion of them. I spent a fortune keeping that truck on the road between the AFM 4/8 cylinder thing and the junk front end. If it hadn't been my daily driver I might have reconsidered; my farm trucks have always been Fords so I just bought a newer one for a daily. I always wanted to put one of those 200 sixes into a 300 or 350; don't know if the trans/rear would hold up but it'd sure wake one up! I've got a 2006 Silverado with a 5.3 engine. Rusted out but engine and transmission are good and low mileage. Looking for a chassis to transplant into. I think the quality regardless of manufacturer has been slipping for quite a while now. Many would agree with you that serious problems were in the GM trucks from 2007 and up till the late teens. Stuff is too electronic laden today which has its own problems especially here in road salt country. 4 Quote
MacAR Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Just now, 766 Man said: I've got a 2006 Silverado with a 5.3 engine. Rusted out but engine and transmission are good and low mileage. Looking for a chassis to transplant into. I think the quality regardless of manufacturer has been slipping for quite a while now. Many would agree with you that serious problems were in the GM trucks from 2007 and up till the late teens. Stuff is too electronic laden today which has its own problems especially here in road salt country. I had an 07 with the 4.8, it was an excellent truck. Couldn't kill it, shoulda kept it for a farm truck but things just didn't work out. That 09 though... we both know that there's good and bad in all of them, but Lord 'amercy that one was a turd! I'm told that the newer ones are much better as you said, but so far the Fords haven't let me down. The only trouble I've had with them so far is the most recent one, a 2013 F150, and it's giving me some trouble with the EVAP system. That's something that series of EcoBoost trucks is known for, and is a fairly easy fix at least. The previous 2013 F150 and 2012 F250 gave me absolutely no issues. Like you said, good and bad in all I guess. 1 Quote
Chester5732 Posted January 4 Author Posted January 4 40 minutes ago, dale560 said: Those ford six cylinders were tough engines. Yup. Probably the only one they built that was any good😄 Quote
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