jeeper61 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 19 minutes ago, 766 Man said: Many would agree with you that serious problems were in the GM trucks from 2007 and up till the late teens. A lot of the GM stuff went down hill after the bail out. I think they were counting on EVs and have been caught with their paints down now. 2 Quote
pms1961 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/2/2026 at 5:00 PM, dale560 said: The hydraulic system is almost identical between the 4020 to early 4430. Some slight changes on late 30 series into the 40 series. Mostly return flow from scv valves. The 4020 and 3020 from the 10 series had a lot of minor changes in flow control. Enough that steering and priority valves changed a bit. One big difference between the 10/20 series and the later series is how the charge pump is driven.10 and 20 series driven from clutch,later 30 and 40 series etc.. driven directly from crankshaft. 2 Quote
jeeper61 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 35 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said: Similar horsepower and displacement to the 619 so yes I agree. The CAT motor can stand a lot of extra power and stay together Quote
dale560 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 8 minutes ago, Chester5732 said: Yup. Probably the only one they built that was any good😄 I have said it before on here. One of my jobs was running the late model 400 versatile self propelled swather during harvest. I would swath around 1500 to 2000 acres a year with it some custom. If you had kochia you were green at end of day. Rust in crops you were red and barley or oats were itchy with any weeds making it horrible. The radiator screen would plug with cotton from sow thistle and I ran that ford engine over 200 than it did cooler. 2 Quote
Big Bud guy Posted January 4 Posted January 4 6 minutes ago, jeeper61 said: The CAT motor can stand a lot of extra power and stay together Did I say they couldn't?? Quote
jeeper61 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 7 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said: Did I say they couldn't?? Just wanted to make sure that was clear for everyone 2 Quote
MacAR Posted January 4 Posted January 4 20 minutes ago, Chester5732 said: Yup. Probably the only one they built that was any good😄 351, 390, 460 etc.... Ford made a lot of good engines back in the day. They made some junkers, too, but so did GM and Dodge. I know some guys that have 6.2 gassers in 3/4 and one ton trucks with over 300K on the clock that have never been opened up or serviced beyond normal maintenance. 19 minutes ago, jeeper61 said: A lot of the GM stuff went down hill after the bail out. I think they were counting on EVs and have been caught with their paints down now. I think you're exactly right. They backed the wrong horse and it darn near sank them. Quote
B.B. Posted January 4 Posted January 4 56 minutes ago, MacAR said: Believe it or not, I used to be a GM guy until a 2009 GMC Sierra destroyed my opinion of them. I spent a fortune keeping that truck on the road between the AFM 4/8 cylinder thing and the junk front end. If it hadn't been my daily driver I might have reconsidered; my farm trucks have always been Fords so I just bought a newer one for a daily. Bought a new 07 (new body style) that did the same thing. I sold mine about 3 years ago with 85k on it (not a daily) and was glad to see it go. Own a Ford now and am pretty happy with it. 2 Quote
cobfly Posted January 4 Posted January 4 17 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said: Did I say they couldn't?? Are you okay? 4 Quote
Big Bud guy Posted January 4 Posted January 4 22 minutes ago, jeeper61 said: Just wanted to make sure that was clear for everyone Thanks for letting us know the Cat 3306 is a better engine then a 619. Never mind the fact I have one in a Cat payloader. Quote
jeeper61 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 45 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said: Thanks for letting us know the Cat 3306 is a better engine then a 619. Never mind the fact I have one in a Cat payloader. I am surprised you don't have a Deere loader the CAT must have been a deal Quote
MacAR Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Isn't a Payloader an IH product? Not familiar with construction equipment. Quote
MacAR Posted January 4 Posted January 4 I thought as much.... was fairly certain that IH pioneered the concept of the Pay-series of machines. Quote
cobfly Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Big Bud guy said: Did I say they couldn't?? You weren't even mentioned, why would you do the snowflake comment. Winter getting tough? 3 Quote
marty966 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 2 hours ago, dale560 said: How about a 5020 with a kitty cat 3306. This would be a good match for the 4wd tractors. Quite the combination there, how much horsepower is that Deere Cat capable of? Quote
Binderoid Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, MacAR said: I thought as much.... was fairly certain that IH pioneered the concept of the Pay-series of machines. Any loader from any country today has Z-link with the bucket cylinder in the center, thanks to the old H-family of loaders. Quote
Big Bud guy Posted January 4 Posted January 4 35 minutes ago, marty966 said: Quite the combination there, how much horsepower is that Deere Cat capable of? They were taken up to 300 hp in the Steigers. The 619 and its descent in the 8870 was taken up to 350 hp. Quote
jeeper61 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, marty966 said: Quite the combination there, how much horsepower is that Deere Cat capable of? We had Ford L serries straight trucks with 3306s at the moving company I worked for. The wrench turned them up I would say the seat of the paints feel was 325 1 Quote
lotsaIHCs Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 hours ago, MacAR said: Darn right they were! I don't know of any engine that lasted as long as those would... but when you consider they only made about 190 horsepower and wouldn't rev much over four grand, they were hard to wear out! Still, I've owned a couple that did everything I asked (and more) and they never gave me an ounce of trouble. 190 is pretty generous. Most were closer to 120-140. Later fuel injected ones were around 170. I knew a guy who worked for UPS in the days of the Chevy 292 and Ford 300. He said the 300 would outlast the 292. The 292 would usually go 150k or so before an overhaul, which they did in house. The 300 would push 200k. Quote
MacAR Posted January 4 Posted January 4 20 minutes ago, Binderoid said: Any loader from any country today has Z-link with the bucket cylinder in the center, thanks to the old H-family of loaders. I did not know that... learned something today. Thanks! Quote
MacAR Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 minute ago, lotsaIHCs said: 190 is pretty generous. Most were closer to 120-140. Later fuel injected ones were around 170. I knew a guy who worked for UPS in the days of the Chevy 292 and Ford 300. He said the 300 would outlast the 292. The 292 would usually go 150k or so before an overhaul, which they did in house. The 300 would push 200k. Probably so; thought I read somewhere the EFI ones would pull around 190, but in my experience 150-170 is about right. Carbureted would be less of course. What I think it boils down to is they're not stout enough to hurt themselves! Quote
Shell1066 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 hours ago, dale560 said: How about a 5020 with a kitty cat 3306. This would be a good match for the 4wd tractors. Why only a junk 3306?? Make it a 3406 B model then it'll look right!!😁 Quote
cobfly Posted January 4 Posted January 4 The Ford 300 was one of the best engines ever built, and I'm a GM guy. 3 Quote
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