The greenie thread

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

1 hour ago, Chester5732 said:

Draper heads are basically a modern grain binder. 

I’ve seen a lot of 30’ and especially 35’ heads with broken cross augers. I’m not sure there is a good way to have a cross auger move all the material in a head larger than 35’. It would have to be really heavy. I know the opinion is that they are a lot better (drapers), but I just think there are design limitations with an auger head. Especially since all the larger heads are hinged. 

[766 Man]

3 hours ago, 766 Man said:

  Just being cagey so as not to tip their hand in terms of developing new products.

  This?

[Chester5732]

2 hours ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

I’ve seen a lot of 30’ and especially 35’ heads with broken cross augers. I’m not sure there is a good way to have a cross auger move all the material in a head larger than 35’. It would have to be really heavy. I know the opinion is that they are a lot better (drapers), but I just think there are design limitations with an auger head. Especially since all the larger heads are hinged. 

My point was that a Draper head is not a new idea. 

[Shell1066]

7 hours ago, 766 Man said:

  This?

 

No, your reply was helpful. Thank you.

[Binderoid]

Green  combines  will always be the best  there ever  was. 

[Binderoid]

[marty966]

2 hours ago, Binderoid said:

Green  combines  will always be the best  there ever  was. 

There ain`t nobody ever goin` to talk us into trading the 1460 on a 7720😁

[Chester5732]

3 hours ago, Binderoid said:

Green  combines  will always be the best  there ever  was. 

But not the best there is!!!🤣🤣

[sandhiller]

Hoyt Clagwell has entered the chat

Better than every John Deere ever!

😄

[hillman]

22 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

He got painted into a corner and now he's being dimwit 

 

 

 

 

Jeeps is a pretty smart guy that name calling is a new low

 

[jeeper61]

38 minutes ago, hillman said:

23 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

He got painted into a corner and now he's being dimwit 

 

 

 

 

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Jeeps is a pretty smart guy that name calling is a new low

I am just a ordinary average dimwit to stupid to realize I need to acknowledge John Deere is the king 

 

  

[jeeper61]

Now here is a 4020 I could own 

But I still need to wrap my head around the synchro

 

 

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

18 hours ago, Chester5732 said:

My point was that a Draper head is not a new idea. 

We have all the same problems that my grandfather had with his. Dirt and debris in the draper that won’t run, broken and/or worn out drapers. The new belts are certainly an improvement over the old canvas though. 

[Binderoid]

26 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

Now here is a 4020 I could own 

But I still need to wrap my head around the synchro

 

 

With the hyd. levers  on the left still  a hard 'no' for me. 

If that stupid  zipper shifter, double naught.

I might  falter if it had a  4-71 in there...

[Big Bud guy]

22 minutes ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

The new belts are certainly an improvement over the old canvas though. 

And we still rip them.  My opinion drapers are more maintenance than an auger header but is offset by the increased productivity.

[jeeper61]

On 12/28/2025 at 4:38 PM, Big Bud guy said:

Thats not true.  With layout of the cylinders and the inline gear train JDs were the most efficient at getting power to the drawbar.  No ring/pinion to go through.  And the belt pulley was right off the crankshaft so you got 100% power there.  JD diesels and some of the gas models in the 50s held the fuel economy records

Maybe the expert knows 

When they calculate fuel usage quantity from 2 tests do they use this formula?

2Q+2Q= 

[lotsaIHCs]

On 12/28/2025 at 3:38 PM, Big Bud guy said:

Thats not true.  With layout of the cylinders and the inline gear train JDs were the most efficient at getting power to the drawbar.  No ring/pinion to go through.  And the belt pulley was right off the crankshaft so you got 100% power there.  JD diesels and some of the gas models in the 50s held the fuel economy records

From what I've read a ring and pinion efficiency is within a percent or two of a straight gear set. The ring and pinion offers smoother operation too. I don't think the straight gear thing is much of an advantage. If it was everyone would be using them. I just remember the screwy shift patterns of the JDs I've run! Yes, an exaggeration but I like the H pattern of the old IHs or the straight pattern of the 66 series and such!

[hillman]

4 hours ago, lotsaIHCs said:

From what I've read a ring and pinion efficiency is within a percent or two of a straight gear set. The ring and pinion offers smoother operation too. I don't think the straight gear thing is much of an advantage. If it was everyone would be using them. I just remember the screwy shift patterns of the JDs I've run! Yes, an exaggeration but I like the H pattern of the old IHs or the straight pattern of the 66 series and such!

is that what they call Chinese checkers ?🥸

[Big Bud guy]

8 hours ago, lotsaIHCs said:

From what I've read a ring and pinion efficiency is within a percent or two of a straight gear set. The ring and pinion offers smoother operation too. I don't think the straight gear thing is much of an advantage. If it was everyone would be using them. I just remember the screwy shift patterns of the JDs I've run! Yes, an exaggeration but I like the H pattern of the old IHs or the straight pattern of the 66 series and such!

 

Did you see my post on the D vs 15-30??  I had never had a problem with 8 speed once you realized what JD was trying to do.  Make it so you could get to all 8 gears, park, and reverse with one lever instead of needing 3 or 4.  It was a transmission with 4 ranges with 2 gears and reverse in each range.  I’ve baled both with a 5020 and 1256 and the syncronized transmission was a lot handier speeding up and slowing down on inconsistent windrows.  JD did make the 8 speed with a two lever shift in some tractors which would have been more suited to IH guys.  

[hillman]

I find a torque amplifier is excellent in inconsistent windrows, 

[hillman]

40 minutes ago, hillman said:

I find a torque amplifier is excellent in inconsistent windrows, 

I will add if I need to change gears its time to reseed

[OFFTHEFARM]

4 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

Did you see my post on the D vs 15-30??  I had never had a problem with 8 speed once you realized what JD was trying to do.  Make it so you could get to all 8 gears, park, and reverse with one lever instead of needing 3 or 4.  It was a transmission with 4 ranges with 2 gears and reverse in each range.  I’ve baled both with a 5020 and 1256 and the syncronized transmission was a lot handier speeding up and slowing down on inconsistent windrows.  JD did make the 8 speed with a two lever shift in some tractors which would have been more suited to IH guys.  

Just out of curiosity what are you baling that you need to change gears so much? Some tall crop that ropes a lot?

When we baled all I ever used for a gear was 2H direct and T/A sometimes to start a bale. Throw T/A forward and let it rip when it started with a lump in the windrow or something like that. Most of that could usually be accomplished by throttling up or down and not even using the T/A.

[Big Bud guy]

5 minutes ago, OFFTHEFARM said:

Just out of curiosity what are you baling that you need to change gears so much? Some tall crop that ropes a lot?

When we baled all I ever used for a gear was 2H direct and T/A sometimes to start a bale. Throw T/A forward and let it rip when it started with a lump in the windrow or something like that. Most of that could usually be accomplished by throttling up or down and not even using the T/A.

I farm in an area that averages about 12” precip and what is called a prairie pothole region.  Dry land alfalfa is a crapshoot on a good year.  Some of my fields are in the hills/rolling terrain and on a poor year the tops of hills the hay might only be 6” tall and in any low spots and spots trying to go alkaline, the hay will be lodged and so thick a dog almost can’t jump over the windrow.  It can all vary like that in just one pass.  Lot of times I was a needing to drop more then a gear like say 3 to 1 or 5 to 2.  TA doesn’t do that.  Round baler is more forgiving on the size of the windrow but not a square baler which is what I was using.  

[cobfly]

48 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

I farm in an area that averages about 12” precip and what is called a prairie pothole region.  Dry land alfalfa is a crapshoot on a good year.  Some of my fields are in the hills/rolling terrain and on a poor year the tops of hills the hay might only be 6” tall and in any low spots and spots trying to go alkaline, the hay will be lodged and so thick a dog almost can’t jump over the windrow.  It can all vary like that in just one pass.  Lot of times I was a needing to drop more then a gear like say 3 to 1 or 5 to 2.  TA doesn’t do that.  Round baler is more forgiving on the size of the windrow but not a square baler which is what I was using.  

Ahhh, the thick and thin hay company. My 86 does fine. Pretty easy to speed shift if the ta isn't enough.

[lotsaIHCs]

5 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

Did you see my post on the D vs 15-30??  I had never had a problem with 8 speed once you realized what JD was trying to do.  Make it so you could get to all 8 gears, park, and reverse with one lever instead of needing 3 or 4.  It was a transmission with 4 ranges with 2 gears and reverse in each range.  I’ve baled both with a 5020 and 1256 and the syncronized transmission was a lot handier speeding up and slowing down on inconsistent windrows.  JD did make the 8 speed with a two lever shift in some tractors which would have been more suited to IH guys.  

For efficiency, spur gears (parallel shafts) and straight bevel gears (intersecting shafts, like spur but angled) are both very high (94-98%), but spiral bevel gears often edge them out (95-99%) due to smoother, continuous tooth contact, while hypoid gears are slightly lower (80-95%),

That was taken from the web. So take it for what its worth.  The 15-30 was a bit heavier tractor that pulled a few hundred pounds more at the draw bar than the D. Ok. As for shifting an IH, the older ones were a basic 1 lever H pattern. The 66 style was simple. Pick your gear wih 1 lever. Then use the other to chose hi or lo or reverse. 90 percent of the time, once I pick my gear I don't change it again. I just use the other lever to switch between forward and reverse. 

If I had to change.speeds often I'd choose a hydro.