Baler Drag Race Accident

[oldtech]

1 hour ago, stronger800 said:

 I was just saying that’s what a modern baler  will do. You can travel fast enough to make a bale in 4-6 seconds, at pto speed, without over working anything, and  that speed relates to this topic, where guys assumed the wagon was traveling fast in the above accident.

My balers will also do a 70+ pound bale in the same amount of time, but I am not interested in doing that.  Lots of members on this forum are remembering the old NH 273 style Baler  that their grandfathers had in the 70s, and lots of guys still use them and they definitely work. But they don’t cover the ground modern equipment can. Just like I know that I cannot cover the ground that a big square, Baler  can. But that  is the different market.

how does a “oh my, my bales are 70+ pounds” relate to this topic exactly?

Sounds like bragging to me 

this was an older NH.  Didnt see a model number on it.  Dont think it was intended to be run at top speed with a tractor that big even if it was an NH too - which it was.  I think the speeding around a rutty field like that played into the reach coming apart too.  The more you beat up on equipment the faster it breaks.  Not the heaviest running gear either. too short I think.

[Big Bud guy]

18 minutes ago, TroyDairy said:

Inland WA a alf is 90 or nothing.  But they have not hand bucked a bale since the early 70s.  

You’ve heard this before I think but my neighbor who feeds with 3 string bales out of a Freeman doesn’t touch them either until it’s time to throw them off the wagon at feeding time.  And that doesn’t take any effort.  You could get 3 of these light bales that everybody here makes out of one of those freeman bales.  I think the difference here in this thread is it sounds like these sell their hay vs us feeding our own bales back when that’s all we fed with.  I still make about 500 alfalfa bales for moms sheep.  The reason I kinda laughed at these 40 lb bales is she is approaching 70 but still feeds these “heavy” bales.  Somebody just has to go out to the stack and pull some down once a week.  She then rolls them onto her sled and back off again.  For feeding bums in the barn she cuts the strings and feed them flakes at a time. 

[oldtech]

1 hour ago, stronger800 said:

 Lots of members on this forum are remembering the old NH 273 style Baler  that their grandfathers had in the 70s,

You know you just made me feel really old, right?

[Ihfan4life]

3 hours ago, Lazy WP said:

70 pound bales won’t sell around here, unless they are loaded on a truck and shipped out of the country. There’s a few guys who made a very good living stuffing 50 pound bales into a cattle trailer and shipping them back to Tennessee. 

Weekend farmer here, would take his large horse trailer back to NYC area stuffed full of 40-50 pound bales of hay. Paid for his hobby farming habits…

[pt756]

My amish neighbors will bale the hay green and wet then either run it into a chopper by the silo or they have their own style of wrapper similar to what guys use to wrap round bales, those bales look heavy and they dont usually go over 3 layers high,

[oldtech]

39 minutes ago, pt756 said:

My amish neighbors will bale the hay green and wet then either run it into a chopper by the silo or they have their own style of wrapper similar to what guys use to wrap round bales, those bales look heavy and they dont usually go over 3 layers high,

Gee our Amish just use modern equipment!  Must be reformed Amish...

 

[Gearclash]

21 hours ago, oldtech said:

Previously a customer operator my old tenant hired to make big bales used to wait way to long to cut too often not cutting alfalfa mixed hat until well into July.  Then he would rake it up into huge windrows and use a 1066 on a Deer big bailer which would make that tractor snort.  The last summer he worked here he actual broke TWO plungers in two different balers trying to make them eat all that.  Every time that plunger went in that 1066 was blow black smoke and snort.

3X3 is too much baler for a 1066.  

And if the balers were the old JD 100 they were notorious for plunger problems.  In any case it wasn't the 1066 tearing them up.  

[oldtech]

34 minutes ago, Gearclash said:

3X3 is too much baler for a 1066.  

And if the balers were the old JD 100 they were notorious for plunger problems.  In any case it wasn't the 1066 tearing them up.  

I didnt know that but I would think that going a little easy on them would have made a lot of sense rather than pushing the limit.  Back in the day I got into the habit of going easy on equipment.  Better to take longer than go fast and waste time and money on repairs.  Thats what Im seeing in this pile up too. Too much power applied in marginal conditions.  Somethings gonna give.

[Gearclash]

32 minutes ago, oldtech said:

didnt know that but I would think that going a little easy on them would have made a lot of sense rather than pushing the limit.

If you went easy on the JD 100 the bale shape went to crap. They were all around a difficult machine.  

[Big Bud guy]

2 minutes ago, Gearclash said:

If you went easy on the JD 100 the bale shape went to crap. They were all around a difficult machine.  

Neighbor of mine bought one when they first came out and he still uses it today.  Traded off a worn out hesston.  Been a good baler to him far from difficult and he used to bale straw for me until JD came out with the 7 series round balers. 

[Gearclash]

11 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

Neighbor of mine bought one when they first came out and he still uses it today.  Traded off a worn out hesston.  Been a good baler to him far from difficult and he used to bale straw for me until JD came out with the 7 series round balers. 

He would have been a rare exception.  JD got help from Krone on that design and the plunger had a tendency to fall apart, the single tie knotters didn't usually tolerate working with a 3' tall chamber, and the continuous feeder didn't usually work right with that tall a chamber either.  In most operating conditions it would have been a tight rope act to keep the baler happy.  

[Big Bud guy]

6 minutes ago, Gearclash said:

He would have been a rare exception.  JD got help from Krone on that design and the plunger had a tendency to fall apart, the single tie knotters didn't usually tolerate working with a 3' tall chamber, and the continuous feeder didn't usually work right with that tall a chamber either.  In most operating conditions it would have been a tight rope act to keep the baler happy.  

I agree he is the exception.  He knows how to run the baler.  I had more problems with my CIH 8580 in the three years I owned it then he did in 15 years with his.   He doesn’t push it.  Started off with a Case 2470 on it and then went to a JD 7800.  The plunger has been rebuilt once but that’s not a bad record for 25 years of service. He rakes two windrows together so feeding enough consistent hay is not a problem.  His bales are square in both hay and straw.  I remember he bought the 100 because he was looking at Hesston too.  Reason he went with the 100 because it lacked everything that was giving him problems on the hesston and he figured whichever baler he bought he would own it for the rest of his life.

 

[cobfly]

I have to bale for my bale wagon, 70-80 lbs depending on hay, 42" long, 14" baler. Sell to horse people. I usually run about 3/4 PTO rpm. Have run my 540 baler behind the 5288 many times, sound and feel are my guide. Plus, I don't like foam in my beer.

[Lars (midessa)]

I always ran the square baler just a slight tad below the pto mark on the tach. Always ran the haybine right at pto speed. The Gehl grinder mixer, forage harvesters, forage blowers we ran at wide open throttle. The only pto equipment we used at idle or slightly above were the self unloading wagons, and the Kewaunee elevator.

[oldtech]

1 hour ago, Lars (midessa) said:

I always ran the square baler just a slight tad below the pto mark on the tach. Always ran the haybine right at pto speed. The Gehl grinder mixer, forage harvesters, forage blowers we ran at wide open throttle. The only pto equipment we used at idle or slightly above were the self unloading wagons, and the Kewaunee elevator.

thats where I ran my IH 45 at.  Seemed to be a sweet spot there where everything worked right.

[oldtech]

This just keeps getting better and better!

[stronger800]

I see a road. I see water and swamp grass, but no hay field or wagon tracks.  Where’d that come from?  

[stronger800]

Oh I see. I thought it was another event.  But it looks like the rain he was rushing to beat, really came, and he just said oh well,I’ll leave my wagon twisted up and sitting for a week.  
That’s unfortunate.

I stood one on its nose in the 90’s.  Lost control of tongue while unhooking. Went over a 15’ bank, and nose dived into the road.  I was trying to hide the carnage before too many people seen itHay on another wagon and crashed wagon (minus snapped off tongue) righted and hidden in another field….really quickly 

[oldtech]

Id really rather not deal with any of this.  When I bought the place it was all just sitting fallow.  The old guy owner just stopped cropping it.  It was great!  Deer and pheasants and ducks all over.  You can see some of the CRP land in this last photo which is getting back to that.  I wanted to put the rest of it in this last year but was prevented by some bogus property lines drawn by the knot heads at County Planning causing it to be rejected because I supposedly didnt own it all.  Now thousands of dollars into a survey and legal fees Im getting it back.  I dont even know if that program is still available but Id do it just to not have to deal with all of this.

[oldtech]

And it is still there!

Too bad the pics are still not working.

[iowaboy1965]

Test picture.....

[oldtech]

6 minutes ago, iowaboy1965 said:

Test picture.....

Have you ever seen any of the Kick A$$ movies with Nicholas Cage?  

 

[iowaboy1965]

4 minutes ago, oldtech said:

Have you ever seen any of the Kick A$$ movies with Nicholas Cage?  

 

I have not seen those

[oldtech]

30 minutes ago, iowaboy1965 said:

I have not seen those

Sometimes you dont know whether to laugh or be horrified...