Young persons thinking on working

[jeeper61]

10 hours ago, Chester5732 said:

If your paying for something your not getting and it isn’t a tax then it’s theft. 

Any thing the government collects is a tax. 

Freedom isn't free so all should pay taxes for their part if they are able bodied.

No freeloaders.

 

[jeeper61]

8 hours ago, yellowrosefarm said:

Wait until you get ready to retire, you'll find out what I'm talking about.

I am retired 

[jeeper61]

17 hours ago, jeeper61 said:

19% of the able bodied population in the working age range do not work

Here the approximant number on what we are missing to run society by the non workers 

19% of the population is 64 million   

the average person pays 14k income tax

64 million * 14 000 = eight hundred ninety-six billion

 

[jeeper61]

13 hours ago, mike newman said:

...as a 'foreigner '' travelling to the US of A......and being of a considerable degree of antiquity...Health   Insurance is absolutely mandatory....and the last time I visited , the insurance cost was twice the cost of the 'peasant' air fare....

$NZ4,500.00   to be precise...two yrs gone..

.....we are told , by the American Embassy, that without insurance, should one require medical assistance for what ever reason, one will be 'repaired'..but untill the cost is repaid, one's passport will be with held....

Fair enough...as a nondomestic visitor...not contributing to the tax system....those are the rules.....

..in New Zealand , there is no mandatory health insurance....every  one from the useless bloody piss head to the normal working male or female...will get sorted...but this is heavily subsidised    by the employers.....who pay a levy to cover accident contingency's etc...and of course , these daze the 'Health and Safety ' brain dead  robots are there in force...doing nothing but feeding from the tax payers trough....

Mike

Most national heath care systems will not pay for out of country services.

With the right plan Private heath insurance will    

[New Englander]

I've been fortunate that my skill level has always enabled me to work for a company with health benefits. My interview with Jenney Flight Engineering for my second A&P job (first was fly by night operator that I was smart enough to quit before the FAA shut it down) went like this: Welcome aboard. You start at $3.25, we pay half your Blue Cross and all the coffee you can drink. I worked lots of OT and a side job or two. Anyway, it only got a lot better from there. An A&P mechanic at an airline is a six figure job. A fully certified ATC controller is a six figure job. There's money and benefits out there, you just have to want it and work for it.

Most McDonalds are franchised and generally offer health care. Here's one of many:

https://www.muellermcd.com/healthandwellness

It's pretty much the same for all the fast food restaurants. Maybe it's different elsewhere but around here they have trouble filling those positions and the help wanted signs show ever increasing starting wages. What used to be $12 has escalated to near $20., more for supervisors and openers/closer.

I believe that if you're willing to better yourself with a trade or other skill there's little need to not have insurance. My wife and son's pregnancy/birth was big money and not a dime out of our pockets. As I age I use an increasing amount of coverage and happy that now my wife's policy covers most of it while mine in my working years covered it. Eventually when she retires it'll be a Medicare supplement. 

[MTB98]

7 hours ago, Binderoid said:

But I digress... the original  argument  was about  government   control overall,  and whether we could do better without them.  I guess we will  have to agree to disagree.

An example of gov regulation that benefits most all of us is the pre-existing conditions rule that does not allow insurance to deny you coverage.
You have a job with insurance and get diagnosed with cancer and then lose your job because of excess absenteeism because of cancer.  You get another job and the insurance won’t cover your cancer because it’s pre-existing. Should that be allowed to happen or should pre-existing conditions be covered? 

7 hours ago, Binderoid said:

Congress also  doesn't enforce  gun confiscation

Not to get too far off topic or get into politics, but you need to look up who in the executive branch (the people who are in charge of law enforcement) said in 2018 he supported taking “the guns first, go through due process second.” 

[MTB98]

50 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

Here the approximant number on what we are missing to run society by the non workers 

19% of the population is 64 million   

the average person pays 14k income tax

64 million * 14 000 = eight hundred ninety-six billion

 

The average tax paid is a terrible metric to use for this. Using the median tax paid would be somewhat more accurate. The bottom 50% of earners average about $1,000 in federal income tax paid while top 1% pay in significantly more because they make about 3x the amount of the bottom 50% combined. A more accurate representation is 
64,000,000 * 1,000= 64 billion. 

[Chester5732]

1 hour ago, jeeper61 said:

Any thing the government collects is a tax. 

Freedom isn't free so all should pay taxes for their part if they are able bodied.

No freeloaders.

 

So, how do you purpose getting people without jobs to pay yet another tax?  Government assistance?  If they aren’t going to work charging them more won’t get them off their azz. 

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

29 minutes ago, MTB98 said:

An example of gov regulation that benefits most all of us is the pre-existing conditions rule that does not allow insurance to deny you coverage.
You have a job with insurance and get diagnosed with cancer and then lose your job because of excess absenteeism because of cancer.  You get another job and the insurance won’t cover your cancer because it’s pre-existing. Should that be allowed to happen or should pre-existing conditions be covered? 

That also allows a deadbeat who doesn’t work and never had insurance to go get great coverage after he finds out he needs a lung transplant. Who can think of how that might cause a problem? I wonder why insurance premiums are so high? There were plenty of solutions to help people who actually needed it, but instead they just turned it into another giveaway to be paid for by people who are trying to be responsible. We always have to turn the entire system upside down because of an outlier example. My mother in law died of cancer two years ago. Her husband missed all kinds of work because of it and never faced any retaliation whatsoever. If it’s such a great policy who don’t we apply it to car insurance. I’ll just call and get full coverage an hour after I total my car. You think that would cause car insurance prices to skyrocket?

[MTB98]

5 minutes ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

There were plenty of solutions to help people who actually needed it, but instead they just turned it into another giveaway to be paid for by people who are trying to be responsible.

Your point actually aligns with the idea that everyone should be required to have medical insurance to prevent that type of abuse. 

5 minutes ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

Her husband missed all kinds of work because of it and never faced any retaliation

You can thank the FMLA for that. Sorry to hear about your MIL. Cancer sucks. 
 

Another example is my son who was diagnosed with an extremely rare bone tumor when he was 19. The bone was removed but he will be monitored closely for the rest of his life. Should he be denied medical insurance for the rest of his life once he is no longer covered by my policy? 

[Lazy WP]

I have been employed for 50 years. Out of those 50 years I’ve had company paid medical insurance 9 years by the company I worked for, and the last 9 years my wife’s company pays a portion of it. 
For the most part I have either worked in agriculture, which is not required to provide any benefits, or have been self employed. 
As for the younger generation of workers, blame their parents. I have 3 grandchildren who are working age, and all 3 have had a job of some sort since they were 14. I also have 2 nephews who are in their mid twenties who have NEVER worked. Their family farms, but those 2 can’t even help there. That is the parents problem. 

I hoped my kids wouldn’t have had to work as hard as I did, but they seem to have adopted my work ethic and have passed it onto their children. 

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

16 minutes ago, MTB98 said:

You can thank the FMLA for that. Sorry to hear about your MIL. Cancer sucks. 
 

Another example is my son who was diagnosed with an extremely rare bone tumor when he was 19. The bone was removed but he will be monitored closely for the rest of his life. Should he be denied medical insurance for the rest of his life once he is no longer covered by my policy? 

They never used FMLA. Not every work place is run by heartless people. I have two children with Cystic Fibrosis. They will need lifelong care. Going over to my neighbors house and robbing him at gunpoint to pay for their medical care is not virtuous. Stealing money and then using it for a “good cause” doesn’t make it right, which is all these policies are doing. Like I said, there were solutions for high risk or very sick people without blowing up the entire system.  

[jeeper61]

1 hour ago, Chester5732 said:

So, how do you purpose getting people without jobs to pay yet another tax?  Government assistance?  If they aren’t going to work charging them more won’t get them off their azz. 

Then they get no assistance from the government at all.

You either get a job or you get nothing 

Society already paid for your K to 12 education  

[jeeper61]

1 hour ago, MTB98 said:

The average tax paid is a terrible metric to use for this. Using the median tax paid would be somewhat more accurate. The bottom 50% of earners average about $1,000 in federal income tax paid while top 1% pay in significantly more because they make about 3x the amount of the bottom 50% combined. A more accurate representation is 
64,000,000 * 1,000= 64 billion. 

Average tax based on average income 

The bottom line is work or we force you to work for any benefits you want 

If you sit around and expect others to take care of you than you get nothing 

 

[MTB98]

28 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

The bottom line is work or we force you to work for any benefits you want 

Forcing people to work, I think that has been determined to be immoral, unethical and illegal. 
You’re assuming there are jobs for all these people in the area where they live. Are you planning to relocate people to areas where workers are needed. You really need to think about what you’re saying here. 

[Chester5732]

49 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

Then they get no assistance from the government at all.

You either get a job or you get nothing 

Society already paid for your K to 12 education  

I still don’t understand how you think someone without a job is going to pay the government anything.  Uncle Sam would be the last one on the list. More money to the government equals more corruption. 

[Board Shortener Tom]

21 minutes ago, Chester5732 said:

I still don’t understand how you think someone without a job is going to pay the government anything.  Uncle Sam would be the last one on the list. More money to the government equals more corruption. 

In the past there was debtors prison.  I wonder what form of logic was used to collect a debt by keeping them from paying a debt?   😂😂😂  Honestly, I don't think logic has progressed much since those times. Everyone seems to be angry these days.....🙄

[cjf711]

16 hours ago, Chester5732 said:

More people might if it wasn’t so corrupt. 

govt isn’t inherently “corrupt”.  corruption happens when you give otherwise good people power or ability to manipulate rules or systems for their own personal gains.   Most people “maybe even you and me” wouldnt be able to resist the temptation if it were at our fingertips.  for sure we wouldn’t know how we would act until we were in that spot at least.   

[Lazy WP]

56 minutes ago, MTB98 said:

Forcing people to work, I think that has been determined to be immoral, unethical and illegal. 
You’re assuming there are jobs for all these people in the area where they live. Are you planning to relocate people to areas where workers are needed. You really need to think about what you’re saying here. 

There are jobs for everyone! If not then start your own job. 
The problem is that people think they are entitled to the management position. Honestly I have only met 2 people who I believe are management material. They can get other people to work way beyond their abilities and feel great about it. 
The average manager should spend a lot more time on the end of a shovel to understand the situation. 
I don’t believe anyone said they should be forced to work, IF YOU DON’T WANT BENEFITS, but if you want the benefits you best work for them!!

[jeeper61]

7 hours ago, MTB98 said:

Forcing people to work, I think that has been determined to be immoral, unethical and illegal. 
You’re assuming there are jobs for all these people in the area where they live. Are you planning to relocate people to areas where workers are needed. You really need to think about what you’re saying here. 

We can easily have work requirements on any government assistance if you can get it past the socialist party.      

You are responsible for your own destiny not the government

We already gave you a k-12 education 

There where vocational options in high school that should give you some work skills 

If the curriculum doesn't then we need to change it.  

There are after high school job training programs available for free 

If your kid can't make with that then I guess you have a failure to launch issue which is your problem.

I left the house at 18 worked full time and put myself through college.

So if I can do it then its not that hard.

 

 

[jeeper61]

50 minutes ago, Chester5732 said:

I still don’t understand how you think someone without a job is going to pay the government anything.  Uncle Sam would be the last one on the list. More money to the government equals more corruption. 

I guess then we are headed to Mad Max land 

[Chester5732]

15 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

I guess then we are headed to Mad Max land 

Or worse. 

[766 Man]

  In a perfect world there are jobs for everyone in any given community.  But we do not live in a perfect world.  A given person can have a lot of good qualities in terms of being an employee but not fit in or might be rejected in most situations.  Many ill tempered people rise to positions of authority because their bosses confuse anger with intelligence.  These people often are quick to blame others for their own failings and quick to fire to cover their own tracks.  In a small community many people have a bad history with others including getting along (or the lack of) with a given individual due to school era issues or family or neighborhood feuds.  In some communities there are flat out not enough jobs for everyone seeking one.  

[MTB98]

10 minutes ago, 766 Man said:

In some communities there are flat out not enough jobs for everyone seeking one.  

Take Lexington, NE  for example that was recently in the news for the Tyson plant closure. It’s a small town of 10,000 people which had 3,000 working at Tyson. There aren’t 3,000 jobs available there now. 

37 minutes ago, Lazy WP said:

There are jobs for everyone!

According to BLS there is exactly one person per job opening. It is highly unlikely that every job seeker is qualified for each job opening let alone be in the right area where the job is available. 

[Lazy WP]

Just now, MTB98 said:

Take Lexington, NE  for example that was recently in the news for the Tyson plant closure. It’s a small town of 10,000 people which had 3,000 working at Tyson. There aren’t 3,000 jobs available there now

Take out the illegal workers and Lexington has plenty of jobs, besides why do you all assume that you have to stay in your own little community?