IH Tractors on Montana Farm

[CardaleBob]

Hi: Regarding the Case Model"D", This Canadian always says, "FENDER", Never, "MUDGARD". I think the big Case is a "600". The 2-toned paint job (could be re-store job, but looks original) Maybe 34" tires on rear, and high arch front axle to make the tractor ride level. We need some more information to be sure. CardaleBob.

[Loadstar]

I should check my old Country Guide ads. I'm not sure if Case ever used yellow on the 500 tractors but its possible. The hood colour is the reason I thought 600. And yes, agreed on the fenders. Thats what we call them. My DC4 has a set similar to the ones on the D in Roger's picture.

Referring back to the Massey/Minneapolis connection, here is a Mini G6 at a local tractor pull a few years back. Just change the sheet metal and you have a Massey 95.

[Old Binder Guy]

Tubacase47, Front & center... Case question, Tom.

Gary

[Loadstar]

I dug up my old ads showing the 500 at left from summer of 56. The 600 at right in February of 57. Case apparently did not shell out for the nice glossy colour ads so its a bit of a guess as to what the hood of the 500 is but I'd say red. There was not a whole lot of difference between the two models. They boosted the rpm a little to get a few more horses and called it the 600 according to what I read.

That yellow tractor at lower left is the 400. I didn't have my best photo editing software on this computer so could not get the whole 2 ads to display.,

[Tubacase47]

I'll take my lumps over the fender/mudguard statement; I didn't know.

But on the tractor Identification, I still say it's a 500 that has been repainted because I do not see the round emblem on the front of the radiator; the original color for the 500 was Flambeau Red. Both the 500 and the 600 had the arched front axle.

[Delta Dirt]

The Massey Ferguson with the GM Diesel was the model 98. It was built by Oliver and identical to one of the Oliver models at the same time-----but I can't remember the Oliver model # (maybe model 99 ???).

This Oliver was prior to the models 1900 and 1950-----which also ran the GM Diesels (Detroit Diesel).

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

[Old Binder Guy]

The Massey Ferguson with the GM Diesel was the model 98. It was built by Oliver and identical to one of the Oliver models at the same time-----but I can't remember the Oliver model # (maybe model 99 ???).

This Oliver was prior to the models 1900 and 1950-----which also ran the GM Diesels (Detroit Diesel).

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

Delta Dirt,

I couldn't remember the Massey-Ferguson number but I could recall that the Oliver 99 was identical to it. They were a much more compact tractor than the M-F/Minneapolis which was so long. Our neighbor George Vogl had an Oliver 99. When behind on his summer fallow, he'd work until mid-night or later. It was hot in the summers and we'd sleep (or try to) with our windows open, with the screens in. That Oliver 99 with its GM Detroit diesel just screamed away, about a half mile distance from our house in the cool evening air. Gary

PS: I'll probably be away from here a while. Mike & Pam have gone to the annual MTARNG officer's convention at no other than Lewistown, Montana... Home of the Dash Inn and their world famous "wagon wheels." I asked Mike to eat some for me! We'll have the grandkids!

[CardaleBob]

The Massey Ferguson with the GM Diesel was the model 98. It was built by Oliver and identical to one of the Oliver models at the same time-----but I can't remember the Oliver model # (maybe model 99 ???).

This Oliver was prior to the models 1900 and 1950-----which also ran the GM Diesels (Detroit Diesel).

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

Hi again: I believe the Massey Harris model 98 was built by Oliver as the 990GM.(3-71 Detoit Diesel). The lower power version Oliver had a 6-cylinder engine and was called a 950.

Back to the above Case 5-600, it looks more and more like a modified 500. It appears to have 34 or 38 inch rear tires, where as the 500 had 30's. The rear fenders have likely been raised to accoommodate the larger diameter. The front end has been raised about 3 inches to keep the tractor level. The oil pan on a 500 is flush with the top of radius rods supporting front axle, the above picture shows about 3 inches clearance. The model 600 featured 6-speed transmission. This required an addition on the outside of the rear frame, behind the steering arm. The above picture does not show this, but is the same as a 4-speed 500. The top of the radiator and emblem is the same as a 500. Colours don't really matter. What is it? CardaleBob

[chub]

Gsry, article in our local paper tells of the passing of a 114 yr. old man in Great Falls, Mont. Oldest person in the USA at time of passing. Know him?, chub.

[Tubacase47]

Gsry, article in our local paper tells of the passing of a 114 yr. old man in Great Falls, Mont. Oldest person in the USA at time of passing. Know him?, chub.

Chub:

I live in Great Falls but I never had the privilege of meeting Walter Breuning. He was well known for his longevity.

He had been in declining health for the past couple of years, but had lived in a local assisted living community until earlier this month. Luckily, he did not have to suffer too long.

According to this morning's paper, he had been visited by the governor yesterday or the day before and passed away around 3:30 yesterday afternoon. I suspected it as one of my good friends told me last night he had heard Mr. Breuning's name mentioned on the evening news so when I got home last night I checked the online edition of the paper to see.

Tubacase47 aka Tom Railsback

[Loadstar]

The Massey Ferguson with the GM Diesel was the model 98. It was built by Oliver and identical to one of the Oliver models at the same time-----but I can't remember the Oliver model # (maybe model 99 ???).

This Oliver was prior to the models 1900 and 1950-----which also ran the GM Diesels (Detroit Diesel).

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

Delta Dirt,

I couldn't remember the Massey-Ferguson number but I could recall that the Oliver 99 was identical to it. They were a much more compact tractor than the M-F/Minneapolis which was so long. Our neighbor George Vogl had an Oliver 99. When behind on his summer fallow, he'd work until mid-night or later. It was hot in the summers and we'd sleep (or try to) with our windows open, with the screens in. That Oliver 99 with its GM Detroit diesel just screamed away, about a half mile distance from our house in the cool evening air. Gary

Yes the MF 98 was same power train as the Oliver 990 and that was one amazing sound those 2 stroke diesels put out. I was amazed watching and listening to this one at the vintage tractor pulls here back a few years ago. Not a great picture or video but the sound is pretty impressive in the video I shot.

[Loadstar]

Gsry, article in our local paper tells of the passing of a 114 yr. old man in Great Falls, Mont. Oldest person in the USA at time of passing. Know him?, chub.

Chub:

I live in Great Falls but I never had the privilege of meeting Walter Breuning. He was well known for his longevity.

He had been in declining health for the past couple of years, but had lived in a local assisted living community until earlier this month. Luckily, he did not have to suffer too long.

According to this morning's paper, he had been visited by the governor yesterday or the day before and passed away around 3:30 yesterday afternoon. I suspected it as one of my good friends told me last night he had heard Mr. Breuning's name mentioned on the evening news so when I got home last night I checked the online edition of the paper to see.

Tubacase47 aka Tom Railsback

It made the news here in Canada too on CBC yesterday. When asked the secret of his longevity, one of his comments was that he only ate 2 meals a day.

[PALOUSE]

The Massey Ferguson with the GM Diesel was the model 98. It was built by Oliver and identical to one of the Oliver models at the same time-----but I can't remember the Oliver model # (maybe model 99 ???).

This Oliver was prior to the models 1900 and 1950-----which also ran the GM Diesels (Detroit Diesel).

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

Delta Dirt,

I couldn't remember the Massey-Ferguson number but I could recall that the Oliver 99 was identical to it. They were a much more compact tractor than the M-F/Minneapolis which was so long. Our neighbor George Vogl had an Oliver 99. When behind on his summer fallow, he'd work until mid-night or later. It was hot in the summers and we'd sleep (or try to) with our windows open, with the screens in. That Oliver 99 with its GM Detroit diesel just screamed away, about a half mile distance from our house in the cool evening air. Gary

Yes the MF 98 was same power train as the Oliver 990 and that was one amazing sound those 2 stroke diesels put out. I was amazed watching and listening to this one at the vintage tractor pulls here back a few years ago. Not a great picture or video but the sound is pretty impressive in the video I shot.

I used to know a trucker that insisted that the "Jimmy" engine was the only diesel mentioned in the Bible. I guess somewhere there is the admonishment to "Stay away from the screaming demons!" Anybody know where that is??

[Tubacase47]

Greg, I never heard that one but In the King James Version the people of Israel are told to repent or the Lord will take away their round tires. (Isaiah 3:19.)

[664 CDN]

Gsry, article in our local paper tells of the passing of a 114 yr. old man in Great Falls, Mont. Oldest person in the USA at time of passing. Know him?, chub.

Chub:

I live in Great Falls but I never had the privilege of meeting Walter Breuning. He was well known for his longevity.

He had been in declining health for the past couple of years, but had lived in a local assisted living community until earlier this month. Luckily, he did not have to suffer too long.

According to this morning's paper, he had been visited by the governor yesterday or the day before and passed away around 3:30 yesterday afternoon. I suspected it as one of my good friends told me last night he had heard Mr. Breuning's name mentioned on the evening news so when I got home last night I checked the online edition of the paper to see.

Tubacase47 aka Tom Railsback

Tom, Thats an amazing feat to get that old and still have your health.

A cousin of my Dad just celebrated his 100 birthday on Apr.3rd 2011, He is a twin, his brother died at birth plus he only has one lung.

Just a side note Fred, had a farm dairy and got his stationary steam papers running the pasturizer.

After he sold the farm that came in handy as he was employed at a factory and later a Hospital till he retired in his eightys.

Ray

[Loadstar]

Tom, Thats an amazing feat to get that old and still have your health.

A cousin of my Dad just celebrated his 100 birthday on Apr.3rd 2011,.

Ray

I guess I'm over half way there Ray.Not making any bets on getting there though.

Heres a little red tractor on my farm. I fired it up for the first time this spring today to have a look at a couple of the fields. Good think I went out on the frost or it would have been pretty hard getting around. As it was I was dodging snowbanks and driving over top of some. Every slough full and overflowing , still runing even though it freezes over night. . Its going to cost a fortune to fix up all the damaged roads in the municipality before this is over.

I'm not even making a guess when (if) seeding a crop will happen this year.

I took this picture on normally cultivated land but it is now a constantly flowing stream.

And heres some video I shot last week when the snow really started melting.

[664 CDN]

I guess I'm over half way there Ray.Not making any bets on getting there though.

Heres a little red tractor on my farm. I fired it up for the first time this spring today to have a look at a couple of the fields. Good think I went out on the frost or it would have been pretty hard getting around. As it was I was dodging snowbanks and driving over top of some. Every slough full and overflowing , still runing even though it freezes over night. . Its going to cost a fortune to fix up all the damaged roads in the municipality before this is over.

I'm not even making a guess when (if) seeding a crop will happen this year.

I took this picture on normally cultivated land but it is now a constantly flowing stream.

And heres some video I shot last week when the snow really started melting.

Ralph, we are back to winter here in ON.

About 1/3" of rain yesterday now snow storm this morning for about 2 hours, but we only got a couple inches.

lots of wind both days and also friday but it was sunny.

went to an auction yesterday with a lot of old Miney tractors, one U diesel and three case lawn tractors a 78- 446, 220 & a 222 all with mower decks and all running but the 222.

Sorry no pic as it was wet & windy.

Ray.

[Loadstar]

Ralph, we are back to winter here in ON.

About 1/3" of rain yesterday now snow storm this morning for about 2 hours, but we only got a couple inches.

lots of wind both days and also friday but it was sunny.

went to an auction yesterday with a lot of old Miney tractors, one U diesel and three case lawn tractors a 78- 446, 220 & a 222 all with mower decks and all running but the 222.

Sorry no pic as it was wet & windy.

Ray.

I can understand about no pics at the sale Ray. I tend to lose my enthusiasm after standing around in miserable weather for a while. There was one I had considered going to yesterday but I figured with the high price of gas, roads out and detours plus the miserable weather , I really didn't need that.

Nice one coming up on the 19th with a couple of Case tractors that would be worth bringing home.

A 1470 and a 500.

Case tractors

[Old Binder Guy]

Gsry, article in our local paper tells of the passing of a 114 yr. old man in Great Falls, Mont. Oldest person in the USA at time of passing. Know him?, chub.

Chub, I'd watched him on television many times. I'd liked to have met him. He had more faculties than I have on the average day! Gary

[Old Binder Guy]

I haven't posted a photo of an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm for a while, so here are three encore photos of son Mike. The first is of him putting his 22" McCormick-Deering thresher into his shed a couple of years ago; the easy way, I might add.

These are two of Mike plowing with my old 660 Standard on the farm near Lewistown. Actually, if you know that country, this is the field just west of the Crystal Lake Road, at the old Milwaukee RR crossing. Gary

[Old Binder Guy]

Well last night I was able to post some IH Tractors on a Montana Farm. I'm going to post, but make no promises about authenticity tonight.

This is a 32hp Reeves Canadian Special cross compound owned by the late Herman Otten of Glengarry (where I attended the one room school house for 8 years.), Montana plowing near Lewistown on his farm that is now a west part of the Lewistown Airport. (Otten's late son John told me about 5 years ago that his dad bought this engine brand new in 1914 and paid $100 per horsepower, or $3,200 FOB Glengarry.) The Emerson-Brantingham Company bought Reeves & Company on Jan. 1, 1912. That would make this Reeves an E&B engine. In 1925, E&B had the misfortune of the Reeves plant at Columbus, Indiana burning, halting a business that was almost ground to a halt on its own volition, prior to the fire. In 1928, J.I. Case Bought several haying and cultivation implement design rights from Emerson-Brantingham. We all know that Tenneco bought J.I. Case AND International Harvester, so that would indicate the 32hp Reeves of Otten's is "almost" an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm.... Correct?

In January of 1950, a movie company from Hollywood, CA was at Cut Bank, Montana awaiting the normal winter to happen so they could film the terror thriller, THE THING. After several weeks of no snow, the editor of the Lewistown Daily News sent a telegram (nope, no e-mails then!) to the director and he called back within hours. Lewistown had snow coming out of its ears (as usual) so they moved the production and crew to Lewistown and the Calvert Hotel tended to the crew sleeping arrangements. This photo of the C-47 aircraft landing was taken on the west side of the Lewistown Airport, on the property Otten had owned prior to WWII, when the US Government used Lewistown for a B-17 Training Base. Cut Bank's Airport was also a B-17 Training Base. I'm not sure about Cut Bank's use, but Lewistown was just over the Judith Mountains from what turned into eastern Montana badlands, where their practice bombing runs transpired. This saved the gasoline in flying distance from Great Falls and either the satellite bases of Lewistown or Cut Bank, as Great Falls was the US Army Air Base. The old barracks and B-17 crew quarters still stood at the Lewistown Airport at that time, as well as the B-17 hangar. The movie crew used those buildings for THE THING. Now I don't know how many of you remember that movie, but I saw it likely sometime in 1950 and again some years later. And it scared the heck out of me BOTH times.

Probably should have started another post, but I wanted to ask MN Red if he knew anything of Ammerman and Kuntz, former IH block men who took over Bourke Motor & Implement from Johnny Bourke who wanted to retire. I think they were able to sing the song to get into the business themselves? They didn't stay in the implement business much longer than I stayed on the farm near Lewistown; due to the Recession of 1980 and the 19% interest rates I was paying. This is an A&K Implement ad I found in a Lewistown newspaper recently. Gary

[MnRed]

Well last night I was able to post some IH Tractors on a Montana Farm. I'm going to post, but make no promises about authenticity tonight.

This is a 32hp Reeves Canadian Special cross compound owned by the late Herman Otten of Glengarry (where I attended the one room school house for 8 years.), Montana plowing near Lewistown on his farm that is now a west part of the Lewistown Airport. (Otten's late son John told me about 5 years ago that his dad bought this engine brand new in 1914 and paid $100 per horsepower, or $3,200 FOB Glengarry.) The Emerson-Brantingham Company bought Reeves & Company on Jan. 1, 1912. That would make this Reeves an E&B engine. In 1925, E&B had the misfortune of the Reeves plant at Columbus, Indiana burning, halting a business that was almost ground to a halt on its own volition, prior to the fire. In 1928, J.I. Case Bought several haying and cultivation implement design rights from Emerson-Brantingham. We all know that Tenneco bought J.I. Case AND International Harvester, so that would indicate the 32hp Reeves of Otten's is "almost" an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm.... Correct?

In January of 1950, a movie company from Hollywood, CA was at Cut Bank, Montana awaiting the normal winter to happen so they could film the terror thriller, THE THING. After several weeks of no snow, the editor of the Lewistown Daily News sent a telegram (nope, no e-mails then!) to the director and he called back within hours. Lewistown had snow coming out of its ears (as usual) so they moved the production and crew to Lewistown and the Calvert Hotel tended to the crew sleeping arrangements. This photo of the C-47 aircraft landing was taken on the west side of the Lewistown Airport, on the property Otten had owned prior to WWII, when the US Government used Lewistown for a B-17 Training Base. Cut Bank's Airport was also a B-17 Training Base. I'm not sure about Cut Bank's use, but Lewistown was just over the Judith Mountains from what turned into eastern Montana badlands, where their practice bombing runs transpired. This saved the gasoline in flying distance from Great Falls and either the satellite bases of Lewistown or Cut Bank, as Great Falls was the US Army Air Base. The old barracks and B-17 crew quarters still stood at the Lewistown Airport at that time, as well as the B-17 hangar. The movie crew used those buildings for THE THING. Now I don't know how many of you remember that movie, but I saw it likely sometime in 1950 and again some years later. And it scared the heck out of me BOTH times.

Probably should have started another post, but I wanted to ask MN Red if he knew anything of Ammerman and Kuntz, former IH block men who took over Bourke Motor & Implement from Johnny Bourke who wanted to retire. I think they were able to sing the song to get into the business themselves? They didn't stay in the implement business much longer than I stayed on the farm near Lewistown; due to the Recession of 1980 and the 19% interest rates I was paying. This is an A&K Implement ad I found in a Lewistown newspaper recently. Gary

ary; I was not in Montana a wole year. I arrived in January, 1965 and the District Office was closed the end of October. I was sent to Grand Froks,ND. When I left the Lewistown dealership was still Bourke Implement.

By the way, I always thought the C-47 was a teo engine plane. RAY

[Old Binder Guy]

Well last night I was able to post some IH Tractors on a Montana Farm. I'm going to post, but make no promises about authenticity tonight.

This is a 32hp Reeves Canadian Special cross compound owned by the late Herman Otten of Glengarry (where I attended the one room school house for 8 years.), Montana plowing near Lewistown on his farm that is now a west part of the Lewistown Airport. (Otten's late son John told me about 5 years ago that his dad bought this engine brand new in 1914 and paid $100 per horsepower, or $3,200 FOB Glengarry.) The Emerson-Brantingham Company bought Reeves & Company on Jan. 1, 1912. That would make this Reeves an E&B engine. In 1925, E&B had the misfortune of the Reeves plant at Columbus, Indiana burning, halting a business that was almost ground to a halt on its own volition, prior to the fire. In 1928, J.I. Case Bought several haying and cultivation implement design rights from Emerson-Brantingham. We all know that Tenneco bought J.I. Case AND International Harvester, so that would indicate the 32hp Reeves of Otten's is "almost" an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm.... Correct?

In January of 1950, a movie company from Hollywood, CA was at Cut Bank, Montana awaiting the normal winter to happen so they could film the terror thriller, THE THING. After several weeks of no snow, the editor of the Lewistown Daily News sent a telegram (nope, no e-mails then!) to the director and he called back within hours. Lewistown had snow coming out of its ears (as usual) so they moved the production and crew to Lewistown and the Calvert Hotel tended to the crew sleeping arrangements. This photo of the C-47 aircraft landing was taken on the west side of the Lewistown Airport, on the property Otten had owned prior to WWII, when the US Government used Lewistown for a B-17 Training Base. Cut Bank's Airport was also a B-17 Training Base. I'm not sure about Cut Bank's use, but Lewistown was just over the Judith Mountains from what turned into eastern Montana badlands, where their practice bombing runs transpired. This saved the gasoline in flying distance from Great Falls and either the satellite bases of Lewistown or Cut Bank, as Great Falls was the US Army Air Base. The old barracks and B-17 crew quarters still stood at the Lewistown Airport at that time, as well as the B-17 hangar. The movie crew used those buildings for THE THING. Now I don't know how many of you remember that movie, but I saw it likely sometime in 1950 and again some years later. And it scared the heck out of me BOTH times.

Probably should have started another post, but I wanted to ask MN Red if he knew anything of Ammerman and Kuntz, former IH block men who took over Bourke Motor & Implement from Johnny Bourke who wanted to retire. I think they were able to sing the song to get into the business themselves? They didn't stay in the implement business much longer than I stayed on the farm near Lewistown; due to the Recession of 1980 and the 19% interest rates I was paying. This is an A&K Implement ad I found in a Lewistown newspaper recently. Gary

ary; I was not in Montana a wole year. I arrived in January, 1965 and the District Office was closed the end of October. I was sent to Grand Froks,ND. When I left the Lewistown dealership was still Bourke Implement.

By the way, I always thought the C-47 was a teo engine plane. RAY

Ray,

This C-47 only has two (teo) engines.

Gary

[Loadstar]

In January of 1950, a movie company from Hollywood, CA was at Cut Bank, Montana awaiting the normal winter to happen so they could film the terror thriller, THE THING. . Gary

Gary, interesting bit of trivia you have about the Montana connection to "The Thing" (from another world) I have seen it but nothing too memorable about it except for the fact that "The Thing" was actually played by a young James Arness who would go on in later years to play the part of Marshall Dillon on the popular series "Gunsmoke". You'd never recognize him.

No tractors or even trucks in this picture but I liked this old post card that showed a view of Cabri, Sask. from many years ago. It looks like Model Ts were popular there.

[Old Binder Guy]

In January of 1950, a movie company from Hollywood, CA was at Cut Bank, Montana awaiting the normal winter to happen so they could film the terror thriller, THE THING. . Gary

Gary, interesting bit of trivia you have about the Montana connection to "The Thing" (from another world) I have seen it but nothing too memorable about it except for the fact that "The Thing" was actually played by a young James Arness who would go on in later years to play the part of Marshall Dillon on the popular series "Gunsmoke". You'd never recognize him.

No tractors or even trucks in this picture but I liked this old post card that showed a view of Cabri, Sask. from many years ago. It looks like Model Ts were popular there.

Ralph,

I'm glad you could remind me about James Arness. I'd heard that and forgotten, years ago. I knew The Thing was "a big dude!"

That's an interesting postcard of Cabri. I'd bet they are all Model Ts except the 3rd from the right, the one with the rear spare tire. I don't think it is a T, but the rest could sure pass for Ts. They must have had a strong Ford dealership there with a likeable owner and sales staff.

I'm heading out to Silver Creek today. There are blue skies today!

Gary