IH Tractors on Montana Farm

[Old Binder Guy]

Ralph, Thanks for posting the anti-tank gun with your father and buddies. That was just great! And thank you for posting that Rumely steam engine pulling a Rumely threshing machine and a whole menagerie of other items.

Ray, That looks your little tractor is going to be a great little tractor, and with a new lease on life!

I'm adding some photos of a Rumely strawburner on Montana's highline threshing. This one is probably an earlier steam engine, as those with that "trash can" size smokestacks as Ralph posted were quite late engines, I believe. Roger may not agree? I don't know anything about this engine, other than it was owned by a Rutherford family. Gary

[Guy Fay]

There might be an article coming up in a certain magazine on IH's efforts in cannons....or several articles. And the first one might have what the same factory contributed to the Manhatten Project.

[chub]

Was hoping Tuba-Case would weigh in on the DC Case-Purolater picture.................I think you might agree he is the resident Case expert. This hub arrangement works when you think of the transition from CC to DC being at that time. Thanks.

As to the picture of the "straw-burner"-----wouldn't OSHA have a "time" with that arrangement!!! The hard-working way of life those people had farming as compared to the guy nowdays with a 400 HP tractor and equipment and the combine with the 45' head!!!

[Old Binder Guy]

There might be an article coming up in a certain magazine on IH's efforts in cannons....or several articles. And the first one might have what the same factory contributed to the Manhatten Project.

Guy, you seem to have more information than the rest of us would happen in that certain magazine??!! The Manhatten Project.... huh...

[Old Binder Guy]

Was hoping Tuba-Case would weigh in on the DC Case-Purolater picture.................I think you might agree he is the resident Case expert. This hub arrangement works when you think of the transition from CC to DC being at that time. Thanks.

As to the picture of the "straw-burner"-----wouldn't OSHA have a "time" with that arrangement!!! The hard-working way of life those people had farming as compared to the guy nowdays with a 400 HP tractor and equipment and the combine with the 45' head!!!

Chub,

My guess is that Tubacase47 has been following on his resurected computer and he seems to be the resident Case authority. He has been in my book for over 20 years. My guess is Tom will master his password or find a new one and get back in here, right Tom?

In the photos of the Rumely strawburner, in that last photo, the boy at right on the water wagon was my late friend Lyle Rutherford who gave me the pictures. He would be well over 100 years old, were he living. He was the senior conductor on the old GNRY line between Whitefish and Spokane at his retirement. I recorded almost two hours with my camcorder several years before he died, regarding the old days of "steam" on the GNRY. It is a real hoot! He loved to talk... much moreso than me.

Since I don't have much in the way of IH Tractors to post, I thought I'd post this picture of Farmall kid in 1989 at the Deutches Museum in Muenchen or Munich, Germany, with the 1893 Benz behind glass there. I know Sigfried Markus developed his internal combustion engine powered automobile in 1875, but the 1893 Benz has to be running a close second? Gary

1875 Markus

[664 CDN]

I got a couple more pictiures of the Case 446 today.

You can see from the one I posted yesterday that the original paint looks ( over ripe banana).

I straightened, welded, sanded, (but no body filler) & painted the fenders Desert Sunset but the hood will have to wait untill I can sandblast it.

[664 CDN]

I got a couple more pictiures of the Case 446 today.

You can see from the one I posted yesterday that the original paint looks ( over ripe banana).

I straightened, welded, sanded, (but no body filler) & painted the fenders Desert Sunset but the hood will have to wait untill I can sandblast it.

Here,s the Dash

Ray

[PALOUSE]

New, still in the box. I'd forgotten I had this thing until somebody here mentioned these old toilet paper oil filters. I bought this one mail order over forty years ago and it's been gathering dust in the back of my barn ever since. I was a young farmer who was leasing some ground from an elderly uncle who was into this sort of thing. He had them installed on an early IH TD-9 and an AC HD-7, thought they were the best thing since sliced bread. Wouldn't rest until I ordered one to put on my TD-14. Recall that maybe I paid about $30 for it, fair amount at that time. But, by the time it came I procrastinated on installing it and it fell out of sight and mind. Now I'll bet it's almost a museum piece. I remember hearing not-so-good things about these later on, but the company was sure confident at the time.

Looks like the company had it's bias about what brand of tissue to use.

[M Diesel]

Chiffon? Well, you're not supposed to squeeze the Charmin! Neighbor had them on his 4010, JD combine, 64 Ford pickup, and his 64 Buick. I remember doing oil changes, and he still has them. I'll check on them the next time I visit the farm. So what was the negative?

[Loadstar]

New, still in the box. I'd forgotten I had this thing until somebody here mentioned these old toilet paper oil filters. I bought this one mail order over forty years ago and it's been gathering dust in the back of my barn ever since. I was a young farmer who was leasing some ground from an elderly uncle who was into this sort of thing. He had them installed on an early IH TD-9 and an AC HD-7, thought they were the best thing since sliced bread. Wouldn't rest until I ordered one to put on my TD-14. Recall that maybe I paid about $30 for it, fair amount at that time. But, by the time it came I procrastinated on installing it and it fell out of sight and mind. Now I'll bet it's almost a museum piece. I remember hearing not-so-good things about these later on, but the company was sure confident at the time.

Looks like the company had it's bias about what brand of tissue to use.

Palouse , that looks like the same idea as the one I mentioned although it was only a single roll unit. As I recall it was white metal and the name "Toirol" cast into it. I had a quick look in one of the sheds the other day just to see if it was there bult of course I couldn't find it . No surprise there, but I know I have it. I don't know how long the Cockshutt 40 ran with that type filter before DAd got it but apparently it worked. I'd think it would break down and go to pieces. Maybe not?

[PALOUSE]

New, still in the box. I'd forgotten I had this thing until somebody here mentioned these old toilet paper oil filters. I bought this one mail order over forty years ago and it's been gathering dust in the back of my barn ever since. I was a young farmer who was leasing some ground from an elderly uncle who was into this sort of thing. He had them installed on an early IH TD-9 and an AC HD-7, thought they were the best thing since sliced bread. Wouldn't rest until I ordered one to put on my TD-14. Recall that maybe I paid about $30 for it, fair amount at that time. But, by the time it came I procrastinated on installing it and it fell out of sight and mind. Now I'll bet it's almost a museum piece. I remember hearing not-so-good things about these later on, but the company was sure confident at the time.

Looks like the company had it's bias about what brand of tissue to use.

Palouse , that looks like the same idea as the one I mentioned although it was only a single roll unit. As I recall it was white metal and the name "Toirol" cast into it. I had a quick look in one of the sheds the other day just to see if it was there bult of course I couldn't find it . No surprise there, but I know I have it. I don't know how long the Cockshutt 40 ran with that type filter before DAd got it but apparently it worked. I'd think it would break down and go to pieces. Maybe not?

Well, it's been a long time but I remember hearing that, as you suspect, they do eventually come apart and fill the oil with TP fibers and such. But in those days many conventional filters were either washable metal screens or made up of string, neither of which strike me as being the perfect system. I believe we've come a long way in the technology of today's paper filters.

I also remember that they also made a "single stacker" for smaller applications like cars.

[Old Binder Guy]

Greg,

I remember when the local Frantz travelling salesman came around the farm to sell me Frantz filters. He suggested a three roll for the TD-18A and a single roll filter for everything else. I told my father in-law with excitement how I would be able to change filters often, keeping oil in better condition with "cheap" filters. Being the old pipe fitter he'd been during WWII, he said, "You know that toilet paper is designed to 'break down' in a septic system, don't you? Do you want that happening to the toilet paper inside your engine, possibly plugging oil galleys?" I lost my pizzaz for the theory there. Did that actually happen inside engines? I don't know, but I wasn't going to chance it in my equipment as I certainly couldn't afford that gamble.

Gary

[Roger Byrne]

I should probably save this post until Spring when everybody is complaining about all the mud, but here goes anyway. A few pages back I posted photos of Model T's in snow. . . . after the snow melts, well that's when the real fun starts. The dirt roads of that era were a bit tough to maneuver in the Spring or during the rainy season.

[Roger Byrne]

Here a few more vehicles on the early dirt roads.

Of course, after they dried up, there was a little problem with the dust.

A point to remember, not only did these cars not have oil filters (toilet paper or otherwise) but they didn't have air cleaners either. Just imagine what that kind of dirt/dust would do to our modern engines.

[Roger Byrne]

Before concrete pavement, black top, Macadam or even crushed rock roads, if you didn't want all that mud, you could always talk your local county into building a pole or plank road. A number of them were built but their cost was high and their life was short.

Pole/plank roads were used in Alaska over the tundra and other areas were there was no solid footing for a road.

[Delta Dirt]

Neat road pictures Roger-----------had to swipe the pick-up riding the planks in Alaska. (isn't that an IHC truck--------looks brand new??)

Re: toilet paper oil filters

After seeing Palouse's pictures------I now understand better what they were talking about. I just never could understand exactly how one of them highly desired Sears and Rareback catalogs wuz gonna stuff down into one of them filter canisters and filter the oil.

Besides----------them Sears and Rareback catalogs wuz too valuable to use up as oil filters. It wasn't uncommon for the rural mail carriers to get highjacked down here when the Sears catalogs were being delivered----------'specially if we had had a short corn crop and wuz out of corn cobbs.

Live and learn-----thanks Palouse!!!!

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

[Loadstar]

Roger those are some fantastic stuck car pictures you posted. I see even a Model T can run out of ground clearance.

Before I get too far away from the toilet paper oil filters, here is a pic of the one I was talking about. Its a one roll size and was on the Cockshutt 40 tractor my Dad bought in 68. Manufactured by the Anerona Co. Ltd. of Winnipeg , Manitoba. It is sealed up tight so I can't see if theres still an "element" inside it.

[Loadstar]

While searching for the "Toirol" I also found this mint condition Fram filter attachment. Not sure but I'm guessing it was for my Uncle's DC3/4 Case tractor.

[Old Binder Guy]

Roger, those are fantastic photos you posted and there wasn't a snow flake in any of the pictures.

Delta Dirt, You slay me! Somewhere in Mike's shop, I have an old Sears catalog and maybe a Sears Christmas Wish Book. Obviously I don't know exactly where they are, so it is a wonder someone hasn't broken into Mike's shed and trashed the place looking for them. If your corn crop is dismal some year, let me know... These could "be had" but how would you get them delivered without the deliverer getting hijacked?

You probably wouldn't have to be selling Delta dirt if you'd developed a rectangular box that would contain those collector catalogs, with fittings to hook up to oil lines?

Gary

[Old Binder Guy]

Roger those are some fantastic stuck car pictures you posted. I see even a Model T can run out of ground clearance.

Before I get too far away from the toilet paper oil filters, here is a pic of the one I was talking about. Its a one roll size and was on the Cockshutt 40 tractor my Dad bought in 68. Manufactured by the Anerona Co. Ltd. of Winnipeg , Manitoba. It is sealed up tight so I can't see if theres still an "element" inside it.

Ralph, can these filter elements be reused for their original intent, after using them in the Cockshutt 40? That would be a real savings on the farm, I'd think?

Gary

[Loadstar]

Ralph, can these filter elements be reused for their original intent, after using them in the Cockshutt 40? That would be a real savings on the farm, I'd think?

Gary

Gary, I'm guessing that would be pushing the re-use, re-cycle idea a bit far.

If this picture will attach, I have a mystery tractor here . Its a Ford Model T from a video I shot at the Farm Progress show here back in 1988. I've uploaded the rest of the video at

Theres quite a selection of tractors that were typical for this area in the 1920s to 1940s on display. Even a few of them running.

[Delta Dirt]

Truthfully---------------don't think I ever saw the toilet paper oil filter (but have heard about them).

I do remember my dad using the cotton WIX filters that fit into the cannister. Apparently-----WIX offered a kit so you could modify most all of the engines to use the same filter. He used to buy them by the case---------and I continued to use them on the 'M's and the TD-14 until I used them all up. (need to look around----may still have an unused one laying around at the shop).

I've always had a lot of confidence in WIX brand filters (primarily for the reason that I got started on them)------there is definitely lots of difference in the filtering qualities of some filters. Nowadays---------Seems like we change the oil in the vehicles much more frequently than we used to. The "quick change oil shops" have probably done more to extend the engine life of the modern vehicle more than anything else I know--------and in reality makes the quality of the filter much less important.

Plus------------the now functional overdrive transmissions have lowered the rpm's-------so that the engine turns over much less per mile than back in the days of the direct drive transmissions.

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

[M Diesel]

DD, there is an interesting facet to those TP filters. It requires a certain size roll to make them useful, and the fad in the early 70s(?) was towards those larger size rolls. You had to unroll a batch off the outside to get them to fit properly. Needless to say there was some guesswork involved. You would hate to get it wrong I think. Maybe some units were better at it than others. I can say that when the rolls were removed they looked the same as they went in so the crumbling thing was a rumor as far as I am concerned. Now as to the amount of clay present and the contamination it causes, well that is another story. That one ad above mentions a number that comes out to less than a micron so they do work, although it is hard to imagine the sheer volume of flow passing through a wad of paper like that.

Roger, thanks again for another fine set of photos. I have to admit that dusty one is far too familiar

[Old Binder Guy]

I guess I've been noticably absent lately... Sorry.

I'm posting three photos of old bands in Montana. The Moore Concert Band could possibly be recreated, as Moore(Eddies Corner), Montana still exists, however barely. What was once a sizeable town of 4-500 people is about 150 population today.

Kendall, Gilt Edge and Maiden are also near Lewistown and LONG gone, ghost towns. I think I'm placing these photos here for Tubacase47, or "Mr. Tuba" Tom Railsback. He should back amongst us soon, I'd think? Gary

[Loadstar]

I had another chance to work with an engine older than myself this weekend. This old Wisconsin V4 was new in 1950 when my Dad bought the Case model A pull type combine. 60 years later the combine is retired but my brother uses the Wisconsin to power the saw for firewood cutting. At 0F degrees it was a little stiff cranking but fired up and ran good as ever allowing us to saw a good trailer load of firewood. The heat from that air cooled engine running was melting the snow off the tin roof even on such a cold day.