IH Tractors on Montana Farm

[M Diesel]

Great pictures Roger. That thing still had to be a pain to steer I would think? Gear jamming seems tedious for the task.

On a vertical piston, I was thinking with steam the exhaust valving would allow water to be forced out if it collected? Maybe can't be done fast enough for fluid? Valve closes towards TDC and blocks it? Seems like it wouldn't be that much worse than a horizontal for collecting water. As we all know it's all in the details, which has me curious.

About the crop dusters, my dad hated working on those things. (Mostly Ag Cat 450s and 600s in south east Missouri.) They were always beat up and the framework was just stuffed with a chemical mixture of everything the plane had ever been loaded with. There is nothing like chasing control lines through the crap in the aft end of a tube that gets smaller as you go. When I was small there were certain duties I got to fulfill on occasion.

To this day I'm not very fond of small aircraft.

[Roger Byrne]

M Diesel, in the center between the two bevel gears you see, they have a cone clutch that is engaged when the center piece is moved back and forth. The gears stay in mesh and the clutch engages the proper gear for the direction they need to turn.

EDIT: Revised photos added 2/2/11

[Delta Dirt]

In checking out Roger's V-2 Huber steam roller--------

I wuz just wundering if my good friend Rube Goldberg might have worked with them in the engineering department-------------looks like they have got all of Rube's ideas covered with this design!!!!

Talkin about Rube Goldberg--------------who has the story on who Rube Goldberg actually was?? Have heard the "Rube Golberg" term all of my life-----seemingly always referring to something that wasn't very practical. Seems like I saw some commentary on this guy once------but don't remember the story.

Real or not--------ol' Rube sure gets credit for alot of complicated "contraptions".

edit: remembering the older crop dusting planes and the changes now; I visited with a pilot last week that had a brand new 5 bladed prop turbine sitting on his strip-----said it cost $1 million as it sat. Would get up and go with a 600 gallon load---------cruise at 200mph empty and without any gear strapped under it. That's a long---long ways from the old Stearmans.

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

[IH Steve]

Delta,

I never knew who Rube Goldberg was either but have heard the term applied to something that ends up gadgety and not really commercially viable. Usually when you are designing a prototype and things get a little out of hand trying to solve something, eventually it is called "too Rube Goldberg". Here is a link and there are many videos on the net of crazy stuff that "went Rube Goldberg".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg

steve

[Roger Byrne]

With lots of snow being a big weather story across the country, I thought I'd post a few old photos of brass T's back when they were used as everyday transportation.

The first two show a couple of guys that didn't read their Farmers Almanac to know it was going to snow. The car sure would have been a lot drier if they had put the top up!

This photo shows that those old cloth tops could stand a pretty good load of snow without collapsing.

Here are two rare Model T Torpedo Runabouts. The first one is a 1912 and the second one is a very modified 1911.

[Loadstar]

With lots of snow being a big weather story across the country, I thought I'd post a few old photos of brass T's back when they were used as everyday transportation.

The first two show a couple of guys that didn't read their Farmers Almanac to know it was going to snow. The car sure would have been a lot drier if they had put the top up!

Here are two rare Model T Torpedo Runabouts. The first one is a 1912 and the second one is a very modified 1911.

Yes, I'm hearing the south country is getting snow, maybe even down to the MIssissippi delta?

Those old Model Ts could sure go through snow judging by the pictures. I see chains on the rear tires which would help. Lots of ground clearance which is a big plus.

I don't think Model T used any kind of an oil filter but by 1948 Purolator was advertising filters to fit most any make equipment like this DC4.

[Old Binder Guy]

Ralph, I remember when Dad put Purolator oil filters on the three TD-40s years ago. Actually I don't remember him doing it, I remember them being there, knowing he'd done it.

Anson, I think Rube Goldberg was a part-time design architect on our farm. Especially in busy times.

Roger, have you considered finding some photos of Model Ts under palm trees with the driver drinking from a coconut? Or at a luau? With a pig roasting on a spit and an apple in his mouth? I fear you're growing used to snow, promoting it like this... However, friend... I love any photo of Model Ts. (PS: Roger I needed you to fill in some of my lacking answer on SmokStak when you get an extra minute.)

I'm still feeling cruddy, but improved over Sunday nite. Pam (Mrs. Farmall Kid) took Sharon to the neurologist a few minutes ago, so I await her news.

Gary

[Delta Dirt]

No snow or ice this far south------------lots of heavy thunderstorms passed through prior to lunch; but no damage close by that I know of. Been a slow day for Delta Dirt-----moving sorta slow to start with and then see on another post where Loadstar has a -40 degree wind chill today; then come over to this thread and Roger has posted up the coldest Model T pictures he could find.

Between those iced up Model T's and watching the weather forecast on TV--------man, I am cold and its only 45 degrees outside!!!!

(we did start out at about 60 degrees this morning---------it is dropping pretty fast right now)------------good luck to everybody being hammered hard; looks tough on TV.

Wunder whut ol' Rube Goldberg would've done???

Here is another salute to our VETs--------this piece of "big iron" sits on the Quitman County, Mississippi courthouse yard as part of a memorial to all veterans. This is a WWI era 155 howitizer------I spent alot of time on 105 howitizers while in the Marine Corps Reserve back in the '60s. The 155s totally dwarf the 105s-----the 105's weighed in around 4,500 lbs.

(more than the "big iron on his hip"!!!!

edit @ 10:00PM: low predicted @ 24 degrees tonight with a wind chill of 9 degrees for early AM---------wind is blowing 22---23 mph out of NW-----will be blowing right off of all of the snow in Mo and Kansas

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

[CardaleBob]

With lots of snow being a big weather story across the country, I thought I'd post a few old photos of brass T's back when they were used as everyday transportation.

The first two show a couple of guys that didn't read their Farmers Almanac to know it was going to snow. The car sure would have been a lot drier if they had put the top up!

Here are two rare Model T Torpedo Runabouts. The first one is a 1912 and the second one is a very modified 1911.

Yes, I'm hearing the south country is getting snow, maybe even down to the MIssissippi delta?

Those old Model Ts could sure go through snow judging by the pictures. I see chains on the rear tires which would help. Lots of ground clearance which is a big plus.

I don't think Model T used any kind of an oil filter but by 1948 Purolator was advertising filters to fit most any make equipment like this DC4.

Loadstar: I don't think that is a DC4 pictured on that brochure. It is likely a DC, if it is big enough. The SC looked almost exactly the same as a DC except for overall size. The DC4 had the same type of front axle as the Model D or standard style of tractor. CardaleBob.

[Guy Fay]

Here's a 57MM in Wisconsin from a more familiar manufacturer.

http://warmemorials.us/artillery/m1_57mm_viroqua.html

[Loadstar]

With lots of snow being a big weather story across the country, I thought I'd post a few old photos of brass T's back when they were used as everyday transportation.

The first two show a couple of guys that didn't read their Farmers Almanac to know it was going to snow. The car sure would have been a lot drier if they had put the top up!

Here are two rare Model T Torpedo Runabouts. The first one is a 1912 and the second one is a very modified 1911.

Yes, I'm hearing the south country is getting snow, maybe even down to the MIssissippi delta?

Those old Model Ts could sure go through snow judging by the pictures. I see chains on the rear tires which would help. Lots of ground clearance which is a big plus.

I don't think Model T used any kind of an oil filter but by 1948 Purolator was advertising filters to fit most any make equipment like this DC4.

Loadstar: I don't think that is a DC4 pictured on that brochure. It is likely a DC, if it is big enough. The SC looked almost exactly the same as a DC except for overall size. The DC4 had the same type of front axle as the Model D or standard style of tractor. CardaleBob.

Yes, you are certainly right Bob. That is a DC3 like the one my Uncle owned in the late 40s. My DC4 has the wide front axle as the number 4 would indicate. This one in the ad being a

'tricycle' narrow front is a DC3.

[M Diesel]

To me the real question is why is he only taking about half a rake width?

[chub]

Perhaps the raking width had to do with probably turning on the end and doubling the windrow nd not wanting too much in said windrow. Or it could just be "suit types" setting up the advertizing picture. At any rate you would have went the other way if you were to bale a single windrow.

As to the puralator ad I have a 1950 I restored and there was a 43 and a 47 on my dad's farm and niether had a external filter, just a screener in the sump. I do have a 48 SC that has a external filter. Was told by a good "Case" man that they were usually added at or after purchase,

[Roger Byrne]

OK. . so now I'm getting complaints from both Gary and Anson on the Model T's I'm posting. I'm a little hesitant to post this Model T photo on this forum and the moderators can edit if they think it is "inappropriate". Here is a Model T on a nice summer day and while it isn't under a palm tree and the driver isn't drinking from a coconut like OBG wanted, I'm guessing it may give you a warmer feeling than the ones I posted yesterday.

[Loadstar]

Perhaps the raking width had to do with probably turning on the end and doubling the windrow nd not wanting too much in said windrow. Or it could just be "suit types" setting up the advertizing picture. At any rate you would have went the other way if you were to bale a single windrow.

As to the puralator ad I have a 1950 I restored and there was a 43 and a 47 on my dad's farm and niether had a external filter, just a screener in the sump. I do have a 48 SC that has a external filter. Was told by a good "Case" man that they were usually added at or after purchase,

Yes, even in those recent times, oil filters were optional on some equipment. My DC4 has what appears to be a factory installed oil filter but its a late (52 or 53) model. . There was a line of aftermarket oil filters to fit many makes of engine. When Dad bought the Cockshult 40 it had a "Toirol" oil filter on it. Would you believe it used a roll of toilet paper as a filter? I think I still have it here somewhere but we replaced it with a Kralinator/Cockshutt oil filter.

Not sure if my Uncles had an oil filter on their DC3 as this photo is from the wrong side. But I did find what appears to be a new (Case orange) oil filter hanging on the wall at his place. Maybe he had planned to add an oil filter and never got around to it before trading off the tractor.

[Loadstar]

OK. . so now I'm getting complaints from both Gary and Anson on the Model T's I'm posting. I'm a little hesitant on post this Model T photo on this forum and the moderators can edit if they think it is "inappropriate". Here is a Model T on a nice summer day and while it isn't under a palm tree and the driver isn't drinking from a coconut like OBG wanted, I'm guessing it may give you a warmer feeling than the ones I posted yesterday.

Nice Model Ts Roger. Just imagine if there had been a Model A in the background too

[Old Binder Guy]

OK. . so now I'm getting complaints from both Gary and Anson on the Model T's I'm posting. I'm a little hesitant to post this Model T photo on this forum and the moderators can edit if they think it is "inappropriate". Here is a Model T on a nice summer day and while it isn't under a palm tree and the driver isn't drinking from a coconut like OBG wanted, I'm guessing it may give you a warmer feeling than the ones I posted yesterday.

Roger, you have to admit... This picture gives one a little warmer feeling when the mercury is well below zero? It makes me want to go buy a new 1926 Model T Touring Car from Henry! I'm sure Anson will agree, this one beats all of that snow stuff you posted yesterday! Very APPROPRIATE!!!

Guy Fay,

Thanks for the link to that International Harvester anti-tank gun. It again reminded me of two IH M-1 Garrands I have access to.

Gary

[Delta Dirt]

Much better Roger!!!!

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

[Loadstar]

Here is another salute to our VETs--------this piece of "big iron" sits on the Quitman County, Mississippi courthouse yard as part of a memorial to all veterans. This is a WWI era 155 howitizer------I spent alot of time on 105 howitizers while in the Marine Corps Reserve back in the '60s. The 155s totally dwarf the 105s-----the 105's weighed in around 4,500 lbs.

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Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

I see the name "Dodge" on the tag of that Howitzer. Guess they were assembled at the automobile plants same as up here. I may have posted this pic before but I thought it fitted well with the artillery theme. My Dad and a couple of 18th anti tank buddies standing in front of a CDN 2 pounder artillery gun at Bognor Regis, U.K. about 1943 before he left to get into the battle. The 2 pounder was pretty small compared to the 17 pounders he got to know very well in action. He said the 17 was a good match for the german 88 milimetre guns. Not sure of the calibre on the 17.

[chub]

With lots of snow being a big weather story across the country, I thought I'd post a few old photos of brass T's back when they were used as everyday transportation.

The first two show a couple of guys that didn't read their Farmers Almanac to know it was going to snow. The car sure would have been a lot drier if they had put the top up!

Here are two rare Model T Torpedo Runabouts. The first one is a 1912 and the second one is a very modified 1911.

Yes, I'm hearing the south country is getting snow, maybe even down to the MIssissippi delta?

Those old Model Ts could sure go through snow judging by the pictures. I see chains on the rear tires which would help. Lots of ground clearance which is a big plus.

I don't think Model T used any kind of an oil filter but by 1948 Purolator was advertising filters to fit most any make equipment like this DC4.

A couple of comments on the DC-3. Have never seen the rear wheel hub arrangement as in the picture, at least not in my memory. It looks non-adhustable on the axle and perhaps a change by reversing centers. Also wouldn't one like to have a new set of front tires like that!!!? I know they are available but not with that much of a center rib in my mind. Would sure be neat on a show tractor of any make, chub.

[Delta Dirt]

Thanks Steve for the link on Rube Golberg--------I tried to copy the mechanical diagram of the "Self Operating Napkin", but am not picking it up when I hit paste.

For those of you that did not check out Steve's link----------Rube Goldberg was a cartoonist (born 1883-----died 1970). Now----it did not say this in the article-----but apparently ol' Rube travelled alot----------having definitely made stops in Montana, Minnesota, and Mississippi (I have witnessed his work around my shop)!!!

This is the type of information all of us "mechanical genuisis" need to know about----so here is the step by step process of the workings of the "Self Operating Napkin"

check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg

[edit] Cultural legacy

This postcard book, Rube Goldberg's Inventions!, was compiled by Maynard Frank Wolfe from the Rube Goldberg Archives. The cover illustration shows Professor Butts and the Self-Operating Napkin. The "Self-Operating Napkin" is activated when the soup spoon (A) is raised to mouth, pulling string ( and thereby jerking ladle © which throws cracker (D) past parrot (E). Parrot jumps after cracker and perch (F) tilts, upsetting seeds (G) into pail (H). Extra weight in pail pulls cord (I), which opens and lights automatic cigar lighter (J), setting off skyrocket (K) which causes sickle (L) to cut string (M) and allow the pendulum with the attached napkin to swing back and forth, thereby wiping chin.

edit again----photo added:

Being somewhat of a "deep wunder-uruh" (similar to a deep thinker), but with only basic mechanical skills------I have wundered about setting the "timing" on such a mechanism.

This if far over my simple mind tonight---------I would presume that the guy that posted up the photos of the Huber V-2 steam roller could most likely add some insight on setting the timing on the "Self Operating Napkin".

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

[Delta Dirt]

Chub----

on a more serious note--------we used to run the single rib front tires down this way for the cutting and shedding of mud in sticky conditions. Usually wore them out on the sidewalls before wearing the rib off itself.

I had them on an 'M' Farmall with wide front axle that we ran waterfurrow drains with------------also on the Massey 510 combine. Haven't seen a new single rib in quite some time.

Delta Dirt

Avon, Ms 38723

[664 CDN]

OK Ralph, I got the Case 446 running today the transplant Onan sounds good & the Hydraulic drive and lift work ok.

Didn,t run very long , it was snowing too much to open the shop door.

Heres a picture of what I started with, I will get a current picture tomorrow too busy blowing snow today.

This is with the engine removed.

Ray

[Loadstar]

OK Ralph, I got the Case 446 running today the transplant Onan sounds good & the Hydraulic drive and lift work ok.

Didn,t run very long , it was snowing too much to open the shop door.

Heres a picture of what I started with, I will get a current picture tomorrow too busy blowing snow today.

Ray

Ray, you are really making progress on the old Case. Wish I could say the same here but its just been too cold to do much in the shed the past little while.

Chub, I agree on that DC3, those rear wheels are different from any that I have seen. Even the colour of the rims is dark, not the silver/grey that I know. Could be a custom job.

Just had to post this old post card showing a steamer pulling a long procession of threshing equipment near Strasbourg, Sask.

[Old Binder Guy]

With lots of snow being a big weather story across the country, I thought I'd post a few old photos of brass T's back when they were used as everyday transportation.

The first two show a couple of guys that didn't read their Farmers Almanac to know it was going to snow. The car sure would have been a lot drier if they had put the top up!

Here are two rare Model T Torpedo Runabouts. The first one is a 1912 and the second one is a very modified 1911.

Yes, I'm hearing the south country is getting snow, maybe even down to the MIssissippi delta?

Those old Model Ts could sure go through snow judging by the pictures. I see chains on the rear tires which would help. Lots of ground clearance which is a big plus.

I don't think Model T used any kind of an oil filter but by 1948 Purolator was advertising filters to fit most any make equipment like this DC4.

Ralph, I feel kind of dumb posting this for Tubacase47, who emailed me with his again working computer tonight. He couldn't get logged onto Red Power, so he asked me to relate about the Case tractors. Although this was in a 1948 magazine ad for the Purolator, he says it was a 1939-41 tractor in the ad, and that Case changed to a sliding gear transmission at serial number 4511449. I don't know what I just said, but I said it for Tom. Gary