1456 no steering this morning

[7and8and1456]

Worked perfect yesterday. Checked fluid level.. full. PTO works, hydraulics all work. Brakes, TA work. Checked the plug on MCV ... fluid flowed when cranked engine over with starter only. Jacked front axle up to see if weight off tires made any difference. Still no steering when steer wheel is moved. I then attempted to force raised front wheels side to side. No restriction to movement, they moved left and right easily by hand.  Then I saw problem. Center steering arm to the tie rods had broken!

Where would you get a replacement? Here.. IH part  358970R1 ( enter the number in your search  to see many sources and prices). 

Or here... https://www.messicks.com/parts/case/358970r1      WOW $$$$$$

I have a spare one on hand that I ordered a few years ago just in case. But I ordered another just in case should one of them on  my other tractors has one break in future. 

[FarmerFixEmUp]

A&I has them, $126.50 list which means All States, Abilene Machine and Worthington Ag probably all do too. 

 

https://www.tractorpartsasap.com/steering-arm-center-farmall-international-706-966-1066-1086-358970r1.html?queryID=c17a661ba6fe271799fa6c29cac51d0c&objectID=834&indexName=magento2_production_default_products

 

Kind of makes you think, "what would have happened if that broke on the road at 20 MPH? "

I broke the steering cylinder rod end on my combine in the corn field last fall. Another case of a wreck could have happened if it was road travel. God's watchful eye is always there. 

[acem]

I've seen them welded back together.  

A grand seems pretty steep!!!

[FarmerFixEmUp]

7 minutes ago, acem said:

I've seen them welded back together.  

A grand seems pretty steep!!!

And it could be an aftermarket part. Major markup on that one. 

One dealer I used to work for bought aftermarket alternators and starters and parts and attached IH part number labels. (Before CaseIH was a thing.) That's just a scam no matter how you look at it. 

[Gabriella Cook]

59 minutes ago, 7and8and1456 said:

WOW $$$$$$

it better be made of gold my friend

[acem]

I bought some front end parts last year.  Wishbone ball caps I think.  Bought one from the dealer and thought it was high.  Bought another online to keep on the shelf.  The aftermarket cap did not look as good  casting/forging as the dealer cap.

[stronger800]

14 use same arm as any o6/26/56?

[FarmerFixEmUp]

According to the All States link it's the same.

• International Tractor(s) Hydro 70, Hydro 86, Hydro 100, Hydro 186, M, Super M, 460, 544, 560, 656, 660, 666, 686, 706, 756, 766, 786, 806, 826, 856, 966, 986, 1026, 1066, 1086, 1206, 1256, 1456, 1486, 2544, 2706, 2826, 2856, 21026, 21206, 21256

[stronger800]

“With wet bolster”. Fits then 

[HydroTek]

13 minutes ago, FarmerFixEmUp said:

According to the All States link it's the same.

• International Tractor(s) Hydro 70, Hydro 86, Hydro 100, Hydro 186, M, Super M, 460, 544, 560, 656, 660, 666, 686, 706, 756, 766, 786, 806, 826, 856, 966, 986, 1026, 1066, 1086, 1206, 1256, 1456, 1486, 2544, 2706, 2826, 2856, 21026, 21206, 21256

That information is incorrect -- the internet copy/paste stuff has stuck yet again 
-- re-sellers just regurgitating the same wrong info 

Only "wet bolster" tractors used that arm for wide front axles
'66 series and up were "dry" bolster -- and used an external steering cylinder -- whole different "steering arm" on those 

Seen that arm broken several times over the years
Any running tractors with wet bolsters and wide axles should check that arm for cracks / loose bolts every one in a while 

[FarmerFixEmUp]

You're right, missed that. 

[stronger800]

I thought I fixed it, remembering that 66/86 could have been ordered with a narrow front 

[snoshoe]

1 hour ago, stronger800 said:

I thought I fixed it, remembering that 66/86 could have been ordered with a narrow front 

Just to confuse the issue. Not all narrow fronts were wet bolster.

[7and8and1456]

3 hours ago, stronger800 said:

14 use same arm as any o6/26/56?

Yes.

[7and8and1456]

3 hours ago, HydroTek said:

That information is incorrect -- the internet copy/paste stuff has stuck yet again 
-- re-sellers just regurgitating the same wrong info 

Only "wet bolster" tractors used that arm for wide front axles
'66 series and up were "dry" bolster -- and used an external steering cylinder -- whole different "steering arm" on those 

Seen that arm broken several times over the years
Any running tractors with wet bolsters and wide axles should check that arm for cracks / loose bolts every one in a while 

According to Messick's site with Case/IH parts catalog diagrams, in addition to what is seen as the normal usual front axle on 66 and 86  tractors ( "dry" bolster with external cylinder) both series were available with a "wet bolster " for a narrow front axle (tricycle). When equipped with the tricycle "wet upper bolster" either of  two  heavy duty adjustable front axle assemblies ( different width tread spacing) or a Hi-Crop front axle could have been had. To use any of these axles required  the same lower bolster with pivot pin as 06, and 56.  All these front axles were the same as used on 1456 ( and according to my parts books), could have been had on 1256, 856, 756, 826, 1026 and possibly the 06 series. 

https://www.messicks.com/catalogs/case/1066-international-66-series-diesel-tractor-0/susp-suspension/14-05-suspension-adj-wide-tread-front-axle-766-966-1066-hydro-100-trac-w-tricycle-front-upper-bolster

https://www.messicks.com/catalogs/case/1066-international-66-series-diesel-tractor-0/susp-suspension/14-07-suspension-adjustable-front-axle-connections-766-diesel-966-1066-hydro-100-hi-clear-tractors

https://www.messicks.com/catalogs/case/1086-international-diesel-tractor-01-76-12-79/susp-suspension/14-05-suspension-adjustable-wide-tread-front-axle-models-with-tricycle-front-upper-bolster 

So the information from All States is correct after all. It's just that 66 and 86 series that used the center steering arm were most likely rare to find,  High Crops being the most likely candidate. 

[acem]

Actually two different 'normal' front axles were available on the row crop 1456. Most had a heavy duty front axle but some had a standard duty front axle. My 1456 had a standard duty front axle. 

[acem]

6 hours ago, snoshoe said:

Just to confuse the issue. Not all narrow fronts were wet bolster.

Can you elaborate on this?

[snoshoe]

1 minute ago, acem said:

Can you elaborate on this?

Well just that. Some of the 66 series anyway had a narrow front with an external steering cylinder on left side.

[acem]

3 minutes ago, snoshoe said:

Well just that. Some of the 66 series anyway had a narrow front with an external steering cylinder on left side.

Never heard of that.

Can you post pics of that when they fix the pics here?

[snoshoe]

19 minutes ago, acem said:

Never heard of that.

Can you post pics of that when they fix the pics here?

I would post a link to them now if I had any.

[stronger800]

I had never heard or realized that was a thing either. And here  I thought another day was going to go by without me learning something 

[snoshoe]

Two Google searches turned up nothing. Have only seen two. Believe only early 66's had them. First one I saw was new 1466. Ordered in presold. Was delivered and never saw it again. Second was a 966 in for service. I guess I never saw that one again either. No mistaking that cylinder on the left side though.

[stronger800]

Like a wheat land but different

[7and8and1456]

2 hours ago, acem said:

Actually two different 'normal' front axles were available on the row crop 1456. Most had a heavy duty front axle but some had a standard duty front axle. My 1456 had a standard duty front axle. 

Operators manual and parts catalog have no evidence of any front axle other than the heavy duty one for 1456. However the lighter standard duty front axle for 7, 8, 1256  possibly could be used on 1456 provided that the lower bolster is same as for lighter standard axle. Did you acquire your 1456 new or used? If used , could front axle have been changed by previous owner as replacement for broken parts?

As for 66 series having a tricycle front with external cylinder, that has got to be a freak of nature! 06 and 56 International ( "Wheatland models") had front axle with external cylinder on the right side.  I'd sure like to see evidence of one of those freak 66's. 

[acem]

9 minutes ago, 7and8and1456 said:

Operators manual and parts catalog have no evidence of any front axle other than the heavy duty one for 1456. However the lighter standard duty front axle for 7, 8, 1256  possibly could be used on 1456 provided that the lower bolster is same as for lighter standard axle. Did you acquire your 1456 new or used? If used , could front axle have been changed by previous owner as replacement for broken parts?

As for 66 series having a tricycle front with external cylinder, that has got to be a freak of nature! 06 and 56 International ( "Wheatland models") had front axle with external cylinder on the right side.  I'd sure like to see evidence of one of those freak 66's. 

It was used when I bought it but it's not the only one I've seen. All were southern factory noTA plain fender tractors. 

I expect it was cheaper.

Mine was a late 1456 if it matters.