Guest Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 On 12/10/2015 at 4:13 PM, SMOKER 1 said: Man, Tony. You have the patience of Job!! The longest I've taken is 12 months and it drove me nuts. It seems that if I can't get it done in 3, them parts start walking away. Jerry Jerry , My patients are finally waning, Seems to take so long to get these projects done! Don't know if I would have one more full bolts off resto. in me . Right now no, However , Bob and I talking of doing the 3/4 ton I.H. flat bed ourselves. We are going back and doing maintence and few updates on our restored girls and its test of patients BIG TIME. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twostepn2001 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 11 hours ago, tony in ca. said: Seems to take so long to get these projects done! Tony, I can't give an exact date but we first started corresponding during your work on the SMTA-LP. Then through the 560, MM U and the 806LP. Along with the tumblebug plow, mower and the "re-fresh" of the 300 and the complete resto of the red pickup. So l can see why you're getting a little tired!! lol Just hoping to get to see when you "re-fresh" your last cotton girl, the 4440. IMO the forum will be jut a tad bit boring when we won't have your updates to look forward to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, twostepn2001 said: IMO the forum will be jut a tad bit boring when we won't have your updates to look forward to. Guy is right Tony. Always look forward to updates and pictures of the California beauties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmallFan Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 The fleet is getting bigger. Tony asked me post this picture for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBSIH856 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 22 minutes ago, FarmallFan said: The fleet is getting bigger. Tony asked me post this picture for him. Should probably start a new thread that tractor doesn't appear to be LP. Looks like a fun project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmallFan Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 42 minutes ago, BOBSIH856 said: Should probably start a new thread that tractor doesn't appear to be LP. Looks like a fun project. I already did. Thanks for the moderating tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 Been a while since I have been able to get glitches out of my Computor network to let me be back. the 806 LP is ready for its first Prom Dance this weekend and my newly acquired 806D w/ bean cutter is ready also ! I'll be doing few more things to her as the year progresses but for now she is ready for field if nesesary! She will be going to prom also first time . Leaving in the morning. tony few pic's 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePunisher Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Looking great... hope u have a good show! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMOKER 1 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I sure hope I get out there for this show in the future after I retire. If all goes well, next year. jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowaboy1965 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I kinda liked the single headlight on the bean cutter. Gave it a unique look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 4/18/22 806 LP engine not good ! Here we go again if you read back this engine has been through machine shop twice , head three times , hunting down slight valve miss and slight engine knock . Original machine shop rebuilt it first time all was standard we got her going on Dyno and it seized took he apart and it appears to be a reliance quality problem . Machine shop redoes engine but has to bore .30 to clean mess and .20 on crank . Back together and still same miss and slight knock . Put 10 hrs on engine starts a hounding noise like a broken valve spring . Shut her down , Sat for seven months because of my illness all winter . now getting stronger we finally pull her down all springs valves rockers where they need to be , we pull head take to an old Time Machine shop 80 year old tech looks at head says it looks like new turns her over poors solvent on valves seats they all leak come to find out they were never lapped. we pull pistons they look good but more light scoring of bearings coating more then one would think Clean all , Mike crank and bearings put together . We cured the valve miss but the engine sounds like a bucket of bolts rattling around. The experts are telling me piston slap due to bad boring . can’t yell at original machine shop ,owner died ! I am going to find a good 301 block and start over a use 80 year old Mike to machine and put together and find other pistons rather the reliance. tony 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Darn it Tony, I hate that. Its no consolation but I’m sure you will figure it out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitty Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Sorry for the engine issues .... again . Hopefully you are doing better. This tractor engine issues made me question about the two reliance kits we installed in 436 engines and had them sieze up within a year or so 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 But......I never get tired of looking at the “bean cutter” 806. Just love the look of the single front and iconic bar grille. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dinan Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Hate to hear that you are going through an engine build again, but it definitely sounds like you found a good mechanic/machinist to work with 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowaboy1965 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Bummer Tony. Looking forward to seeing it done and done right this time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Sledgehammer said: But......I never get tired of looking at the “bean cutter” 806. Just love the look of the single front and iconic bar grille. I know what your saying ! That bean cutter 806 has won my heart and I love driving it and hearing it and most of all looking at it. Thanks, Tony 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustred Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 21 hours ago, Tonyinca said: 4/18/22 806 LP engine not good ! Here we go again if you read back this engine has been through machine shop twice , head three times , hunting down slight valve miss and slight engine knock . Original machine shop rebuilt it first time all was standard we got her going on Dyno and it seized took he apart and it appears to be a reliance quality problem . Machine shop redoes engine but has to bore .30 to clean mess and .20 on crank . Back together and still same miss and slight knock . Put 10 hrs on engine starts a hounding noise like a broken valve spring . Shut her down , Sat for seven months because of my illness all winter . now getting stronger we finally pull her down all springs valves rockers where they need to be , we pull head take to an old Time Machine shop 80 year old tech looks at head says it looks like new turns her over poors solvent on valves seats they all leak come to find out they were never lapped. we pull pistons they look good but more light scoring of bearings coating more then one would think Clean all , Mike crank and bearings put together . We cured the valve miss but the engine sounds like a bucket of bolts rattling around. The experts are telling me piston slap due to bad boring . can’t yell at original machine shop ,owner died ! I am going to find a good 301 block and start over a use 80 year old Mike to machine and put together and find other pistons rather the reliance. tony they dont lap valves for a lot of years already. an interferance angle is used to make a quick seating valve. that means u run a one degree angle difference on the valve and seat. would like to see those valve faces and how they were seating. i am presuming it was just a job done with the guy not knowing his stuff. as for piston slap he must not have did clearances correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I have found out in several bad experiences, that just because you own a machine shop doesn’t mean you have the necessary skills to even run a hacksaw, let alone anything else. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtBoyz07 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Hi guys , the Dirt Boyz Field Service has landed in Tony’s shop . Not sure what’s up with this motor but I’m telling you it has some extremely bad noise in this engine . As Tony has told you it made it made 1 hour running outside with no load and just a couple minutes on the dyno and scored all six pistons . Just so everyone knows this is some more quality parts from Reliance 🤬🤬This was done at a machine shop locally and been doing stuff for Tony for many years . Well they rebored it out to .030 oversize , 6 more Reliance , still has the noise so they pulled the head a few weeks ago and and took the head to the guy that did his baler motor and as he has told you the man found all the valves leaked because they where not lapped . I’m not sure when these shops supposedly stopped lapping valves 🤔 but it must be a new thing they teach these younger guys today but I can tell you after grinding valves and seats they will work but lapping them in makes a perfect fit and seal . ‘There is something terrible going on in that motor and now I won’t be able to sleep with out knowing what’s up with this motor so I’m hoping Monday morning we can get it pulled out and see what’s going on in there and Tony can take it to the man that did his baler motor /old school guy and have him do it right . Tony is super lucky , there is a local shop here that will make new pistons and sleeves . This shop builds airplane pistons and yep there expensive but you know it will be right when it goes back in this time . Danny 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just Dave Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 If you haven't measured you are talking gibberish. Any one can measure you don't have to be a Machinist. A high end Machine shop has a quality control department. You will pay much more for that. Most shops do not have QC. Every machine loving Son of a Wrench out there should have a few basic precision measuring tools.....and USE them. On 4/18/2022 at 8:13 PM, Tonyinca said: pours solvent on valves seats I learned this in the 70s from a guy that would be 150 by now.... I now check my lapping with solvent and compressed air in the port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 hours ago, just Dave said: If you haven't measured you are talking gibberish. Any one can measure you don't have to be a Machinist. A high end Machine shop has a quality control department. You will pay much more for that. Most shops do not have QC. Every machine loving Son of a Wrench out there should have a few basic precision measuring tools.....and USE them. I learned this in the 70s from a guy that would be 150 by now.... I now check my lapping with solvent and compressed air in the port. they complete installed it all there so I am sure they did their own measuring . Makes no difference if we are talking jibberish or not ,their work did not accomplish a good engine . you better believe when we tear it back down everything will be miked to document what went wrong . the point about solvent on valves is that , that head went back three times to same M Shop because of miss and they told me that there was nothing more they could do , I take it to the old man little shop and he says here is your problem . We put head on after he lapping and miss is gone. Engine sounds like bucket of bolts . point is I paid 6000.00 for this rebuild at a long Time reputable Machine shop and now I am throwing away the block and buying an old engine and starting over . Not even so much about the engine as all the restoration paint etc will have to be redone . Btw I have fourteen tractors restored that did not encounter this problem . All engines gone through machine shops . tony 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just Dave Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 I'm not knocking anything you did Tony, I just want people to know Machinists are people and people make mistakes so if you have something cut it never hurts to measure. Even the man cutting can be be sure he is doing it right when he is not. I always taught to our interns new hires,;you must do something to check that what you think you have done actually happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, just Dave said: I'm not knocking anything you did Tony, I just want people to know Machinists are people and people make mistakes so if you have something cut it never hurts to measure. Even the man cutting can be be sure he is doing it right when he is not. I always taught to our interns new hires,;you must do something to check that what you think you have done actually happened. I know what your saying , that is why I had them install pistons and complete engine because it’s always pilot error. lol my thing is these young guys just don’t understand older stuff and it’s getting very difficult to find competent people to work on old school . thank you for your input much appreciated this is not end of world just frustrating trying to find the culprit ! MY DAD USE TO SAY BETTER IT THEN ME ! tony 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted May 7, 2022 Author Share Posted May 7, 2022 On 4/19/2022 at 5:06 AM, Sledgehammer said: But......I never get tired of looking at the “bean cutter” 806. Just love the look of the single front and iconic bar grille. You know I catch myself looking at her everytime I go in shed and I love to drive it and it is and sounds snappy . I feel as as you ! try to ignore that pre 39 guy in the seat , however , he did a great job in parade ! tony 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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