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2 hours ago, 806Red said:

I hate this for you.  I know this must be disappointing now that she's all nice and shiny to have to take her back down.

Thank You,

   With equipment there is always a chance something was overlooked or not done right.

      Machine shop has been notified and they are ready to work with me to find the culprit.  They first want to see & hear it run and try to diagnose to hopefully minimize take down.

      I agree with Axial-Flow its the head or the block . I am praying its the head.

       We'll be back at it hopefully Wed. Will try to get machine shop fella here with Bob and I .

       Tony

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 Tractor Therapy Wed 1/11/17.

   Busy day !  trying to listen to Trumps Press Conference but had to go to work on the old Red Girl ,Only caught part of it . Its amazing I was on several boards in my career and that is precisely how we handled things to the point no tip toeing.   But I Digress !

        The machine Shop tech was out . We checked for water in oil before start up NONE oil clean . We ran her to operating temp and every so often pulled dipstick and the hotter she got the more steam  showed on filler tube along with milky oil on top of dip stick . Also what I deem as a valve miss continues no matter timing  light, or fuel adjustment , Valve Adjustment , Or head torking. We even removed muffler because it has a baffle thinking perhaps back pressure. ( Knew none of these things would help but you have to convince the nice YOUNG tech ).   

    Finally at I;45 P.M. I said enough Butt Scratching! pull the head! . Bob & I had it off by little after three and to Machine shop by 3:45.

     Casting looks bad on front two & 4th cylinder . They will tear down inspecting for valve hang up . Then furnace, pressure test , magnaflux . and we'll see what happens, In meantime I am shopping for a 301 L.P. head.  I've lost my confidence on this one.:ph34r:

           Feel lot better now that we are back on the move. We've had experience with going back in an engine after all was done on the 560 several years back ,it turned out good with lot experience gained.

       I  Just have to realize, Crap happens.:o  Like Bob says, "Thank God ,it does not need to feed cows at 4 AM tomorrow morning". :lol: He had lot of those in His shop career in the middle of Tulare Dairy Country.  Says ,He would get a call at 2 AM,  feeder tractor will not run I need it by 4 AM to feed the next string.:rolleyes: So ,It could always be worse.:lol:

        Tony

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Fwiw....  Is it just not flat enough?   Looks like water line where water shouldn't be from the pictures.  Well, better now than in 8 months when the hood and every thing is set up nice and your getting ready for harvest.

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Hi Guys,

    Therapy tractor Wednesday 1/18/17  ,Boy!, it sure was a therapy day ,seems like  months since working on old girl . Had the Crud, spent several days under the weather & dealing with Dormant sprays etc.

     We have no word yet from Machine shop on the head. So we backfilled , Installed fenders, measured and trying to fit buggy umbrella brackets ,bought unit from  the umbrella people. However, I hate the universal mounting brackets so going to discard all those clamps, rods, etc .  The stand attached to axle cut it to size and weld flat piece on end and use another set of fender u bolts to hold them on with heavier walled  pipe to keep from vibration. ( Hopefully).

    We finished the rear lights ,and installed the master switch, and while we are waiting on head, Decided to remove all pieces that I had powder coated trying to save time and gain more durability , However ,when we had her out in sun last week I could see definite difference in red shade . So we removed and will paint them instead.  Pieces were front rims,

  front suit case bracket & hanging tie down hooks , steps on right side , K&M steps on left side, battery lid.

    I have been able to get away with it on others however , powder coater started using a new batch of powder & its enough off to be noticeable in sun.

    Few pictures of today.

       Tony

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Word from Machine shop : Pressure test no leaks , However rear of head has taper may be cause of light water .

   The big thing is that first three cylinders show lot of corrosion ,they blast & grind clean and in a day rust flakes appear . Along with when we were running it . At operating temp. applied heat gun the first three cylinders were always cooler the rear three. ?

   So , I am going to go with another head.

       Tony

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1 hour ago, tony in ca. said:

Word from Machine shop : Pressure test no leaks , However rear of head has taper may be cause of light water .

   The big thing is that first three cylinders show lot of corrosion ,they blast & grind clean and in a day rust flakes appear . Along with when we were running it . At operating temp. applied heat gun the first three cylinders were always cooler the rear three. ?

   So , I am going to go with another head.

       Tony

How much cooler? The front will be slightly cooler because they are closest to the water pump and fan.

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23 hours ago, BOBSIH856 said:

How much cooler? The front will be slightly cooler because they are closest to the water pump and fan.

I do not recall ,now, but it was enough to get Bob's attention.

  I recognize the cooling factor but this was noticeable when using heat gun.

  Tony

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      Spoke to Machine shop yesterday .

        They put it in furnace to dry up casting, Pressure tested twice and saw no leaks or cracks.

       However , They blasted front three cylinder of rust & used wheel on them to perfect looking clean and in couple of days they were rusting & flaking again. Also they said there was a odd taper on back end of head surface .

         So, I made executive decision to purchase another head.  My believe is that sometimes there is just defective castings.

            If I go another head and still have problem , Then I will sit & cry  Or Bob ,Eddie,& I will drink several Bottles of Cabernet- Sauvignon on Therapy Wednesday:(

           In meantime, David is working on sheet metal ,  Having the I.H. on outside front weights highlighted by a pin striper. and all the stuff that I had powder coated with shade off is being prepped for paint.

          Tony

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22 minutes ago, FarmallFan said:

Are the gasoline head and the LPG head the same? Or is the LPG head unique?

They Parts book lists one number on head . However , differing numbers on gas verses L.P. valves.

    Tony

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Tony,

  I know this a bit off topic with the head problems, but have a question for you. When the time comes, are you going to get some of IH filter decals that make the oil and fuel filters look like IH filters?  Was just thinking it might look nice since the batteries already have that era decals.

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28 minutes ago, twostepn2001 said:

Tony,

  I know this a bit off topic with the head problems, but have a question for you. When the time comes, are you going to get some of IH filter decals that make the oil and fuel filters look like IH filters?  Was just thinking it might look nice since the batteries already have that era decals.

  No , because the oil filter is in old style canister , and with L.P. fuel filter is in a canister also. on this 806

    I do have the wrappings you talk about for the 1456 & 1468.

       Tony

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Tony, the 806 looks great!  Sorry to hear about the head issues. You will sort them out soon enough.  Did you realize that you have a 56 series clutch pedal? The 06 series would have the diamond tread that the brake pedals have. The 56 series have the horizontal lines. I am not being critical, just noticed it in the one photo....

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48 minutes ago, nepoweshiekfarmalls said:

Tony, the 806 looks great!  Sorry to hear about the head issues. You will sort them out soon enough.  Did you realize that you have a 56 series clutch pedal? The 06 series would have the diamond tread that the brake pedals have. The 56 series have the horizontal lines. I am not being critical, just noticed it in the one photo....

 You are absolutely right on the clutch peddle.  I decided to install a hydraulic clutch from a 1066 and am using the hydraulic clutch peddle. 

   One problem with it is that it does not stop on floor board like original.  My plan is to make a subtle stop for peddle to rest against.

       I debated on doing this ,However , we have a heavy clutch in it and with Older fellas & kids driving it in parades etc. I think the hydraulic clutch is a big help.

    The little  I have driven it since , I really appreciate it.

          Tony

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Tony for what its worth back in the day we had a new 666 (same head) that had a slight defect in an intake runner that would occasionally but not consistently allow coolant into the 2 affected cylinders but you could never see where it was  after the tractor had 200 or so hours on it the defect finally grew to where we could find it. The replacement head had valve guide issues but that's another story a lot of head and manifold gaskets went into that tractor the first year.

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10 hours ago, R190 said:

Tony for what its worth back in the day we had a new 666 (same head) that had a slight defect in an intake runner that would occasionally but not consistently allow coolant into the 2 affected cylinders but you could never see where it was  after the tractor had 200 or so hours on it the defect finally grew to where we could find it. The replacement head had valve guide issues but that's another story a lot of head and manifold gaskets went into that tractor the first year.

     Yes , these 6  cylinder I.H. engines gas or L.P. engines were temperamental as per my experiences with the 560, I.H. 220 cotton picker had a BD 240 head issues were prevalent the 422 cotton picker had the diesel and it was bullet prove.

         I thought with my learned experience and using a Machine shop that was familiar with these and throwing the book at rebuilding the engine ,I would of avoided the problems ,However, This tractor wants to give me the complete experience. :P  Oh ,well , this may be like my wife describes child birth ,It hurts like h*ll for a while but all is forgotten when holding the baby .  I suspect when we get her right and purring we'll forget the extra work & time:wub:

      Awaiting replacement head to see how it goes, Should be here Friday or Monday latest.

           Tony

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 Hi Guys,

    Tractor Therapy Wed. 1/25/17.

        Things looking up .  I had all the powder coated stuff basted and primed took them to David for painting  . He has fallen behind due to several weeks of rainy weather.

    The replacement head is in route from Indiana.  We had several items to catch up on 806 and we did that today. Cables from Brillman arrived and we were able to complete the master switch.

     Picked up outside weights for 806 from pin striper . Pic included.

      We had a bad hydraulic leak on the 300 U that we think we cured today.  Hoping next week we replace a leaking o ring on the Dyno to have it ready for 806 when she is ready to go.

    Tony

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      Tractor Therapy Thursday 2/2/17  . Remember , its Tractor therapy wed . except for every first week of month its, Thursday:D

     Last week we did few odds & ends on the 806 but most of day spent repairing two hydraulic leaks on the 300 U. Well, Thank God ,power steering & hydraulics seem to be working great and no leaks and its holding blade up pretty well.

    I checked with machine shop today since I took replacement head in on Monday but to my dismay they had not looked at it yet.

      Today we tackled my M & W dyno . this dam thing has had a leak since day one and has done nothing but make a mess everywhere. I dreaded going back into it because it was the main large input o rings that were leaking. I don't know how many of you have worked one of these but they are a pain in the A*s . need to remove everything to fix anything.

    We found the culprit and replaced it and all O-rings . Got the radiator back in and filled tank with oil , SO FAR,SO GOOD . we left sheet metal loose till we see if its going to leak between now and next week.

     Head will not be ready next week. So, we will finish Dyno ,then move on to servicing the 1468 & 1456 getting them ready for show time !

    Few pictures of todays therapy :wub:

       Tony

         P.S. rear picture of 300 U  ( LOOK MOM NO LEAKS) ;) and a couple pictures of 806 in stand still state , just don't want to forget that its not done:(

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Hi

I have been fallowing your build. You do beautiful work!

I am getting ready to paint my 806D and was curious what you did on the shifters and throttle. The factory black coating is chipped and I was hoping you had a source for something to re coat these. 

Thanks Dennis

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4 minutes ago, 65806 said:

Hi

I have been fallowing your build. You do beautiful work!

I am getting ready to paint my 806D and was curious what you did on the shifters and throttle. The factory black coating is chipped and I was hoping you had a source for something to re coat these. 

Thanks Dennis

   Thanks for chiming in 65806,

     All the black tip handles were blasted ,everything off , Then my painter painted the red and masked the amount we wanted black .

     He used a very thick applications of black paint. It looks like black coating but its just paint on thicker then the red below it.

       Hope this helps,

          Tony

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