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16 minutes ago, lightninboy said:

Nevermind.  I missed that.  I had a CO Loadstar that my dad always said it ain't nuthin but a damned old Emeryville.  Homely? yes.  Emeryville? no.

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An ad for the add on double swath attachment from Wallis. This ad from 1989. And a flexible 50 foot pull type. Unusual to see duals on a tractor pulling a swather. 

 

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6 hours ago, Loadstar said:

An ad for the add on double swath attachment from Wallis. This ad from 1989. And a flexible 50 foot pull type. Unusual to see duals on a tractor pulling a swather. 

 

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A couple people in the area had similar double swath swath systems on hesston hay conditioners. It was a canvas system like that that brought hay back and to side. There was an adjustable Hydraulic hood on end so you laid swath short of standing hay and on way back to laid next windrow on top of first.

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Never heard of Wallis.  Here is JD's first swather capable of laying a double windrow.  The 190 came out in early 60s, about the same year they introduced the 105.  With the double swath capability it probably wasn't coincidence they introduced both the around the same time.

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15 minutes ago, lightninboy said:

I remember some company advertised double-swath attachments. Was it Smith-Roles?

I think there were a few companies offered the D.S. option. Not sure on Smith Roles but they did make a lot of farm equipment and accessories. 

I'll just add this for the Versatile number 10 pull type which was one of the more popular pull types here for years. 

And Bigbudguy, I did not realize the 105 was available in the early sixties. I was thinking mid to late. I'm pretty sure I've posted an ad on the 105 pull type from 1967 but not sure if I can find it. 

 

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2 hours ago, lightninboy said:

Versatile swathers have never had lever steering, have they? 

nope Versatile never had lever steering, always a steering wheel!

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10 minutes ago, U-C said:

nope Versatile never had lever steering, always a steering wheel!

You make it seem levers are a bad thing,I ran a NH 907 for cutting hay for 30 years. The levers and planetary drive where not perfect but variable speed drive and how fast the belt would ware was more troublesome. But I have 100 hours on a Cat for every hour I have on a wheel tractor so levers are still my natural way to turn things.

Nice add about Case swathers. I know down here Case sold some Heston self propelled swathers in Case colors. Any idea if the ones in the  add are Heston built or not?

 

 

No JD 105's here as all sidehill combines, but 100's of the JD 95H . I think the round back to square back change JD had was in the 63 to 64 year model and the 105 may have been introduced at the same time,but only a guess.  

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31 minutes ago, ray54 said:

You make it seem levers are a bad thing,I ran a NH 907 for cutting hay for 30 years. The levers and planetary drive where not perfect but variable speed drive and how fast the belt would ware was more troublesome. But I have 100 hours on a Cat for every hour I have on a wheel tractor so levers are still my natural way to turn things.

Nice add about Case swathers. I know down here Case sold some Heston self propelled swathers in Case colors. Any idea if the ones in the  add are Heston built or not?

 

 

No JD 105's here as all sidehill combines, but 100's of the JD 95H . I think the round back to square back change JD had was in the 63 to 64 year model and the 105 may have been introduced at the same time,but only a guess.  

Lot of farming was done here with crawlers so the lever action swathers probably seemed like a natural fit.  I never have run a Versatile 103 but I am curious to know how easy they turned with the way their system work.   The NH 909 I bragged about earlier was hydro but used one big lever to control everything basically like a joystick on a skid steer loader.  JD for some reason used both a steering wheel and levers for not only their planetary drive swathers but also for their hydro swathers. 

The 105 came out in the fall of 1960 as a round back and the square backs came out in the fall of 1963.  I think overall the round backs weren't that popular because of their size and they had engine issues that really weren't solved until the square back series.  I've only seen two round back 105s around here but the square backs were all over the place. 

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16 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

Lot of farming was done here with crawlers so the lever action swathers probably seemed like a natural fit.  I never have run a Versatile 103 but I am curious to know how easy they turned with the way their system work.   The NH 909 I bragged about earlier was hydro but used one big lever to control everything basically like a joystick on a skid steer loader.  JD for some reason used both a steering wheel and levers for not only their planetary drive swathers but also for their hydro swathers. 

We got a old 103 parted out. Dad ran that for years and from what he has told me is that you turn the wheel and push whichever brake the way you want to turn. Made for strong guys I guess lol

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2 hours ago, db1486 said:

We got a old 103 parted out. Dad ran that for years and from what he has told me is that you turn the wheel and push whichever brake the way you want to turn. Made for strong guys I guess lol

I figured the steering wheel was for straight away trim but I always wondered how you made sharp turns.  Now it makes sense with the brakes.  Kinda like a crawler.

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1 hour ago, Big Bud guy said:

I figured the steering wheel was for straight away trim but I always wondered how you made sharp turns.  Now it makes sense with the brakes.  Kinda like a crawler.

I honestly don't think the steering wheel did a whole lot. I'd have to ask dad again for sure how it was to run

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38 minutes ago, Art From DeLeon said:

Being a Versas**t, i would say that you are correct.  Some of their 'engineering' seems to have been the result of spending too much time out in the dead cold of a Manitoba winter.

I don't care for Versatile swathers and as much as I like my old Steigers, my opinion is Versatile 4x4 tractors set the industry benchmark for a long time.  Until they came along the average farmer really couldn't afford a four wheel drive tractor.  I've never been around their combines but I have heard they were a little on the cheap side.

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1 hour ago, Art From DeLeon said:

Being a Versas**t, i would say that you are correct.  Some of their 'engineering' seems to have been the result of spending too much time out in the dead cold of a Manitoba winter.

Versatiles sure sold well around here. Dealers did well I think. The little bi-directional 150 tractor was very popular.  Although we saw a lot more of the big four wheelers. 

 

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Yes, the early Versatile 400s had a steering wheel and two reverser levers, one on each side.   They seemed to help "fine tune" turns at the end of the field.  Kind of like how a foot brake helps with turns on a tractor.  I suppose if someone was determined to not use the steering wheel, they could be used like those on a lever steering swather. 

I remember my dad calling a neighbors Versatile 103 he ran a couple times a "man killer".  Not sure how well they worked when new, but when used it was very difficult to get a straight windrow from them.

We had a 14 foot Owatonna like the one below which seems to be very similar in design to others above.  If the tire pressure was kept equal it would go a good distance without needing a correction.  It laid very nice windrows.

 

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1 hour ago, Loadstar said:

Versatiles sure sold well around here. Dealers did well I think. The little bi-directional 150 tractor was very popular.  Although we saw a lot more of the big four wheelers. 

 

Vers 400 and 150.jpg

Overhauled a 150 and am going to get our 160 going again and sell it. Pretty handy little loaders for their day. The 400 swather is a later straight muffler. They did away with the belt coupling from motor and direct mount motor to little drive chain. Without that cushion they were lot tougher on chains. They also used a tandem hydro pump instead of older swathers used two pump motor combos.that guy was swathing picture perfect crop for 1979.

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1 hour ago, IHC Red said:

 

 

Yes, the early Versatile 400s had a steering wheel and two reverser levers, one on each side.   They seemed to help "fine tune" turns at the end of the field.  Kind of like how a foot brake helps with turns on a tractor.  I suppose if someone was determined to not use the steering wheel, they could be used like those on a lever steering swather. 

I remember my dad calling a neighbors Versatile 103 he ran a couple times a "man killer".  Not sure how well they worked when new, but when used it was very difficult to get a straight windrow from them.

We had a 14 foot Owatonna like the one below which seems to be very similar in design to others above.  If the tire pressure was kept equal it would go a good distance without needing a correction.  It laid very nice windrows.

 

 

I've seen a few of those around here but they have been scrapped.  I always thought those were the first swather on the market just based off of how crude they were.

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