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I know the 400 swathers were innovative for their time. And were a machine you should have traded every 5 years. The one job on the farm of any and all I did was run that 400. If it would have been my crop it maybe would have eased the pain but the most horrible time of my teen years were on that stupid thing. It probably coincided that my birthday was always spent on that dang thing. One time in 88 I was swathing neighbors rye along the hiway.A Dutch or Norwegian tv station interviewed me about the drought going on. I had just fixed a hydraulic leak in field before they showed up and was grease head to toe. Must have looked really well on tv.

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2 hours ago, lightninboy said:

See, on a Hesston you could shift one draper over and double-swath without a table attachment.

 

The old Versatile 103 from the late sixties had that same style shifting table. I did not see many of them because for most small farms an 18 or 20 foot swath was plenty big enough for the combines of the day. 

This 501 Cockshutt pull type is exactly like the one my uncle had and I swathed a few acres for him. It was after working with that  one that sold me on the design of the swather when I went on to buy my Massey 35 which was pretty much the same design. No more pitman to rattle and break. Just a short "dog bone" and eccentric pulley on the end of the knife driven by a belt. I didn't like the end delivery or self contained hydraulics on the Cockshutt but my Massey 35 didn't have those. 

 

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Did the Swathers with a pitman have a slip clutch of sometype? I was just wondering because the Sickle Bar mowers on the side of the tractors had that in Switzerland in the 50s like this Hürlimann mower:

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20 minutes ago, U-C said:

Did the Swathers with a pitman have a slip clutch of sometype? I was just wondering because the Sickle Bar mowers on the side of the tractors had that in Switzerland in the 50s like this Hürlimann mower:

 

I don't recall any of them having a slip clutch.

Here is a 1989 ad for Honeybee swathers including the tables that attach to a tractor.  50 foot tractor mount and  up to 75 feet  on a self propelled. 

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9 hours ago, dale560 said:

McDon and Cereal swathers really took off about the time the 4700 came out. The 400 had a hay head or they called them 330s with a hay head.

Do you have a picture or description of a 330?  Did they have an actual hay header?  I've never seen a 330 in person and from what I can find they still used a draper header.  My 1979 brochure only shows a crimper attachment for the 4400 and 400.  So they must have dropped 330 by then. 

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I don't care what anybody says the NH 909 IMO was the top of the line hay swather back then.  My cousins bought two of these back in 1967 and used them all the way up till the late 90s.  Fully hydrostatic with twin sickle drive.  The JD scan is from 1968 and was their 2nd generation of swathers.  The NH scan is from 1969 and both of them show Versatile wasn't the only one offering a hydro.  You could get a diesel engine on either the JD 880 or NH 909 and an enclosed wobble box on the JD. 

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28 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

Do you have a picture or description of a 330?  Did they have an actual hay header?  I've never seen a 330 in person and from what I can find they still used a draper header.  My 1979 brochure only shows a crimper attachment for the 4400 and 400.  So they must have dropped 330 by then. 

Dads cousin had one and my father in law bought it. They still used the crimped underneath but they had an auger hay head. Could have been a  a different number also. It was a slant muffler so it wAs pre 78. Have to ask my brother tomorrow for more info about it.

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1 minute ago, dale560 said:

Dads cousin had one and my father in law bought it. They still used the crimped underneath but they had an auger hay head. Could have been a  a different number also. It was a slant muffler so it wAs pre 78. Have to ask my brother tomorrow for more info about it.

 Sounds interesting.  Can't wait to hear back for more info.  This is the only thing I can find.  https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/auction-results/online/10588999/versatile-330 

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52 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

 Sounds interesting.  Can't wait to hear back for more info.  This is the only thing I can find.  https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/auction-results/online/10588999/versatile-330 

Found a book for one I was wrong they were 440s apparently only made in 72. But you can find some info online I don’t know what in laws did with the one they bought.

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57 minutes ago, dale560 said:

Found a book for one I was wrong they were 440s apparently only made in 72. But you can find some info online I don’t know what in laws did with the one they bought.

 

 

I remember a neighbour having an odd numberd swather. Not a 400 but similar design. Maybe a 330 or a 440. It was a small , maybe 12 or 14 foot draper header and he got it used just to cut hay. He had put a different pulley on to speed up the knife drive and it seemed to cut grass pretty well. Got no pictures and never seen an ad for one of those. 

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6 hours ago, Loadstar said:

I remember a neighbour having an odd numberd swather. Not a 400 but similar design. Maybe a 330 or a 440. It was a small , maybe 12 or 14 foot draper header and he got it used just to cut hay. He had put a different pulley on to speed up the knife drive and it seemed to cut grass pretty well. Got no pictures and never seen an ad for one of those. 

That is what this was a 12 ft but it was a auger head. Another relative had a 4000 ihc with a small Draper like 14 ft they cut hay within had some kind of crisper attachment.

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11 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

I don't care what anybody says the NH 909 IMO was the top of the line hay swather back then.  My cousins bought two of these back in 1967 and used them all the way up till the late 90s.  Fully hydrostatic with twin sickle drive.  The JD scan is from 1968 and was their 2nd generation of swathers.  The NH scan is from 1969 and both of them show Versatile wasn't the only one offering a hydro.  You could get a diesel engine on either the JD 880 or NH 909 and an enclosed wobble box on the JD. 

 

 

JD may have had those modern conveniences but not many small farmers were willing or able to spend the big bucks to buy these deluxe swathers. The old 200A was pretty basic and adequate in the 1960s. It was replaced by the much improved model 800, still not hydrostatic drive. Very popular and that 4 wheel design was about the first we saw here. 

I used to see advertising for New holland swathers but don't ever recall seeing one until the late 1970s when they were selling the same machine as the Massey 655, Renn, White 6200, but with NH paint and decals. 

All I"ve got for now is this forage harvester. 

 

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10 hours ago, dale560 said:

Found a book for one I was wrong they were 440s apparently only made in 72. But you can find some info online I don’t know what in laws did with the one they bought.

I found a small picture of one.  If they only made them for one year then basically I go back to my earlier comment about Versatile not offering a real hay header.  Our 4000 had a 14ft hay header and 25ft draper.  The 400s had the 20ft or 21ft triple delivery tables.  We used them in light crops or hailed out wheat.  All three got traded in for two JD 2280s.  The 4000 was our first swather with a hay header and we got it right around when we started growing alfalfa for hay.  Up till then our hay consisted of only wild oat patches and crested wheat grass for which draper headers were adequate for.

I never heard of a 330 before and now I’m wondering what the differences are now between it and a 400.  A detuned 400?

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39 minutes ago, Loadstar said:

JD may have had those modern conveniences but not many small farmers were willing or able to spend the big bucks to buy these deluxe swathers. The old 200A was pretty basic and adequate in the 1960s. It was replaced by the much improved model 800, still not hydrostatic drive. Very popular and that 4 wheel design was about the first we saw here. 

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if the NH and JD 880 were twice as much as a 400.  But then again JD and NH are still making swathers today and Versatile is long gone. I have the JD swather that came before the 200.  It didn’t even have a model number.  It was just called “SPW”.  I’d say that was about the only time Versatile had he upper hand. 

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52 minutes ago, Loadstar said:

I used to see advertising for New holland swathers but don't ever recall seeing one until the late 1970s when they were selling the same machine as the Massey 655, Renn, White 6200, but with NH paint and decals. 

I thought the only New Holland windrowers made by MacDon were pull-types and self-propelleds in the Prairie Star era.

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We still got a couple 400s running, although they don't get used anymore. Got one 15 foot with a crimper and a 20 foot for grain. I grew up running those things. One thing about them isthey would cut anything. But drive chains just loved to break on them lol. And pitman arms. Actually the whole machine was just too light. Dad cut alot of hay with that one too. Only problem is one year we had a 6 bale an acre crop and it was too big of a swath to push through the crimper. I think he did 5 acres one day. Then we got a hesston 6600 with hay header. Now we run a 4000 with a auger header, and one with a draper header.

I have seen a couple 440 versatiles. From what I remember is it had a auger header with the crimper on it. Probably too lightly built. Probably be  a good header but the machine is too light. 

A 330 is basically the same as a 400 but I think it had a smaller motor. The drive chains are different too and guys said they never caused any grief either.

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12 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

This is from 1975.  I've only seen one of these. 

 

No, that is not the model I am thinking of. It was a 3 wheel design, identical drive train (slant six and hydro) and cutting parts as the MF 655 and White 6200. I'm thinking maybe model 1090 but I could be wrong. I"m sure I"d have some advertising here if I had time to look it up. 

EDIT: Just to satisfy my curiousity and prove I wasnt imagining it, I google searched New Holland 1090 and sure enough, there it is. I don't usually borrow other site's photos or ads to post here but this one came from an auction sale bill in Alberta. The design similarities to the MF 655 are quite evident. 

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On 4/5/2018 at 7:27 PM, U-C said:

Did the Swathers with a pitman have a slip clutch of sometype? I was just wondering because the Sickle Bar mowers on the side of the tractors had that in Switzerland in the 50s like this Hürlimann mower:

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The real old mowers from the late 50s like the jd no 5 and I think ih 37 had slip clutches but later ones just ran a belt drive. If you plug the knife belt slips. Swathers are the same.

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On 4/5/2018 at 6:43 PM, Loadstar said:

I don't recall any of them having a slip clutch.

Here is a 1989 ad for Honeybee swathers including the tables that attach to a tractor.  50 foot tractor mount and  up to 75 feet  on a self propelled. 

89 Honeybee swath.jpg

 

It looks to me like a 75 foot Draper head could make one big windrow. If that’s the case I would imagine you couldn’t use one in very heavy crop conditions. Neat add though. 

3 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

Here is Hesston's first swather from the mid 50s.  Not even sure how the propulsion works because it doesn't look like the regular planetary drive. 

I don’t really have any ads for Hesston swathers but I have a issue of Heritage Iron Magazine that talks about how Hesston got their start and about the swathers  that followed decades after. Mechanically it doesn’t talk much of how the model 100 swather works but it was introduced in 1955 by Lyle Yost, the company founder, after management(I assume Hesston management) purchased a self-propelled swather concept from a tractor dealer and a machine owner in Iowa and the model 100 was introduced as the first commercially self-propelled swather in the industry. Then in 1959 an new model, the 220 was introduced. 

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