Vintage Ads

[U-C]

8 hours ago, Loadstar said:

You are right. At that time all the Co-op machinery line was Cockshutt built. Not sure on  the model but I think the combine in the ad I posted might have been a model 112. 

This E-15A Co-op mower was actually the Cockshutt 15AS mower. My dad bought one new in the late 1950s. 

 

Cool mower. Is this the same Co-op company as CCIL or was that a different company? CCIL later sold the CLAAS combines in Canada, but I am not a 100% sure which model if it was the Europa or the Mercury:

Here are two videos of each model:

Claas Europa archivfilm:

And the Mercury:

Here is a page from a Huerlimann Tractor brochure from the early 1950's. Tractor with side mount mower and Huerlimann Grasstedder (the grass tedder was manufactured by AGRAR which had there factory in the same city as Huerlimann)

 

[Loadstar]

The CCIL name replaced Co-op on Cockshutt tractors at some point in the 1950s. I remember the Claas, combines sold by CCIL in the 1960s. Seems to me some of  them were called  the "Yellow Fellow". I don't  have any ads of them. So here is one for the Cockshutt "driveomatic" combines from 1953. 

Some more info on the combines, http://tractors.wikia.com/wiki/Co-op_E112_combine

[Michael Halsall]

On 02/06/2017 at 11:55 PM, Loadstar said:

The CCIL name replaced Co-op on Cockshutt tractors at some point in the 1950s. I remember the Claas, combines sold by CCIL in the 1960s. Seems to me some of  them were called  the "Yellow Fellow". I don't  have any ads of them. So here is one for the Cockshutt "driveomatic" combines from 1953. 

Some more info on the combines, http://tractors.wikia.com/wiki/Co-op_E112_combine

These Canadian made products seemed to have been strangely absent from the Australian market. Cockshutt tractors only seemed to be imported into Australia in the early 1950's. Canada and Australia, both being being British Commonwealth countries enjoyed favourable trading arrangement. Regards from Michael H..

[George 2]

11 hours ago, Michael Halsall said:

These Canadian made products seemed to have been strangely absent from the Australian market. Cockshutt tractors only seemed to be imported into Australia in the early 1950's. Canada and Australia, both being being British Commonwealth countries enjoyed favourable trading arrangement. Regards from Michael H..

That is interesting, and I don't know why. To me the Cockshutt 40 and 50 would have been a good match for Australia since they were similar to the IH Super AWD6 in size and power level. If I encounter Bill Cockshutt on the summer antique show circuit, I will ask him. That is a big if as he is about 88 now.

[Loadstar]

On 6/4/2017 at 8:08 PM, Michael Halsall said:

These Canadian made products seemed to have been strangely absent from the Australian market. Cockshutt tractors only seemed to be imported into Australia in the early 1950's. Canada and Australia, both being being British Commonwealth countries enjoyed favourable trading arrangement. Regards from Michael H..

I don't know the story as to why Cockshutts never made it to Australia. 

This is not an ad but a picture that does show the similarities (identical) between the Cockshutt and Co-op combines in the 1950s. Two Cockshutts on the left and a Co-op on the right. I'm not sure on the model number but think these are the 428 combines. The last ones to have the engine down under the grain pan. 

[Howard_P]

Speaking of CCIL, perhaps George and Ralph will remember this CCIL 810, built in Sweden.  I only know of it because a Cockshutt collector near Fort Wayne imported one from Canada.

[Loadstar]

5 minutes ago, Howard_P said:

Speaking of CCIL, perhaps George and Ralph will remember this CCIL 810, built in Sweden.  I only know of it because a Cockshutt collector near Fort Wayne imported one from Canada.

 

 

Yes, I remember CCIL (Co-op Implements) selling both Deutz and Volvo tractors in the sixties-seventies, maybe eighties too. I'm thinking the one in your photo is a Volvo? Not the air cooled Deutz. 

Here is a cover page from my 1949 CCIL catalogue that gives a bit of the story behind the company at the time. 

 

[Big Bud guy]

17 minutes ago, Loadstar said:

I don't know the story as to why Cockshutts never made it to Australia. 

This is not an ad but a picture that does show the similarities (identical) between the Cockshutt and Co-op combines in the 1950s. Two Cockshutts on the left and a Co-op on the right. I'm not sure on the model number but think these are the 428 combines. The last ones to have the engine down under the grain pan. 

Those guys driving the Cockshutts aren't doing a very good job keeping the windrow on center.  Looks like they have the windrow header while the Co-Op has a regular header.  Massey had a similar windrow header option too.

[Loadstar]

1 minute ago, Big Bud guy said:

Those guys driving the Cockshutts aren't doing a very good job keeping the windrow on center.  

I'm guessing there was a fair bit of setup for that photo. Trying to get the combines all as close together as possible while still moving. Looks like the guy on the left is watching to see his unloading spout does not hit the air intake of the one beside him. Its a classic shot and a fun jigsaw puzzle for anyone interested in farming and old machinery. 

[Steve C.]

37 minutes ago, Big Bud guy said:

Those guys driving the Cockshutts aren't doing a very good job keeping the windrow on center.  

Looks to me like they had some distractions.

[George 2]

8 hours ago, Howard_P said:

Speaking of CCIL, perhaps George and Ralph will remember this CCIL 810, built in Sweden.  I only know of it because a Cockshutt collector near Fort Wayne imported one from Canada.

CCIL did not operate in eastern Canada. That is why I am not familiar with them. It appears they operated primarily in Manitoba , Saskatchewan, and Alberta. My first encounter with a CCIL machine was when I visited Saskatchewan in 1970.

[Loadstar]

1 hour ago, George 2 said:

CCIL did not operate in eastern Canada. That is why I am not familiar with them. It appears they operated primarily in Manitoba , Saskatchewan, and Alberta. My first encounter with a CCIL machine was when I visited Saskatchewan in 1970.

That is true. As stated on the catalogue cover, factory in Winnipeg, Manitoba with branches in Sask. and Alberta. Unique to Western Canada. j

Here is an ad for the 428 Cockshutt combine which was also sold by Co-op (CCIL) in a different shade of red. Although this is not a coloured ad the combine appears to be all light (yellow) paint. I don't recall seeing one like that. Most were red and yellow.

 

[U-C]

8 hours ago, Loadstar said:

That is true. As stated on the catalogue cover, factory in Winnipeg, Manitoba with branches in Sask. and Alberta. Unique to Western Canada. j

Here is an ad for the 428 Cockshutt combine which was also sold by Co-op (CCIL) in a different shade of red. Although this is not a coloured ad the combine appears to be all light (yellow) paint. I don't recall seeing one like that. Most were red and yellow.

 

Ralph, I think it is a demonstrator that is why it is yellow or a late prototype before series production started or a so called 0 Series model, International Harvester did that with there Demonstrator tractors.

-Urs

[Loadstar]

On 6/6/2017 at 3:39 PM, U-C said:

Ralph, I think it is a demonstrator that is why it is yellow or a late prototype before series production started or a so called 0 Series model, International Harvester did that with there Demonstrator tractors.

-Urs

Possibly, but I suspect that is yellow paint to match the new "5" series of tractors that were out in 1960. Like this 550 tractor pulling a small combine. 

[Fred B]

so what did oliver use from cockshutt when they took it over?

[U-C]

20 hours ago, Fred B said:

so what did oliver use from cockshutt when they took it over?

That was White that bought them out, well if my info is correct it was the Combine devision because Cockshutt had one of the best combines at that time simple to work on and threshed a clean sample of grain and little lose over the walkers (an oldtimer told me that had one).

[Fred B]

i'm sure your right , with the combine, but i was thinking of something simple. the name badge on the side of the hood is a cockshutt spear, that says oliver. although, the point is broken off. i looked at a cockshutt 570 today, it has features similar to a oliver, the front cast engine cradle, and ipto at the back  look  somewhat alike. but i believe oliver used these features first?

On 6/8/2017 at 10:04 AM, new guy said:

I might have your solution....

 

[Loadstar]

43 minutes ago, Fred B said:

i'm sure your right , with the combine, but i was thinking of something simple. the name badge on the side of the hood is a cockshutt spear, that says oliver. although, the point is broken off. i looked at a cockshutt 570 today, it has features similar to a oliver, the front cast engine cradle, and ipto at the back  look  somewhat alike. but i believe oliver used these features first?

 

Yes, White took over both Oliver and Cockshutt. in the early sixties. The Cockshutt combines were sold as Olivers with green paint. 

That 570 Cockshutt tractor you mention was the last series of true Cockshutt tractors. The next ones were Olivers painted red. 1600, 1700 , etc. Our local Cockshutt dealer sold a lot of them. Here is one of my favourite Cockshutt ads. About 1959.

[U-C]

50 minutes ago, Loadstar said:

Yes, White took over both Oliver and Cockshutt. in the early sixties. The Cockshutt combines were sold as Olivers with green paint. 

That 570 Cockshutt tractor you mention was the last series of true Cockshutt tractors. The next ones were Olivers painted red. 1600, 1700 , etc. Our local Cockshutt dealer sold a lot of them. Here is one of my favourite Cockshutt ads. About 1959.

Does are cool looking tractors, I have once heard that Cockshutt had a 580 in the works with a 1000rpm PTO and only one of the prototypes had survived but not sure anymore if that is true. Here is a photo of a Killbery Grain Saver you had posted an ad a while back and I thought I would post this pic of one that I photographed at the Agriculture Museum in Austin Manitoba

[George 2]

4 hours ago, U-C said:

Does are cool looking tractors, I have once heard that Cockshutt had a 580 in the works with a 1000rpm PTO and only one of the prototypes had survived but not sure anymore if that is true. Here is a photo of a Killbery Grain Saver you had posted an ad a while back and I thought I would post this pic of one that I photographed at the Agriculture Museum in Austin Manitoba

 

[George 2]

The lone 580 survivor with 354 Perkins diesel is owned by three Maryland Cockshutt collectors. 

[Loadstar]

 

7 hours ago, U-C said:

Does are cool looking tractors, I have once heard that Cockshutt had a 580 in the works with a 1000rpm PTO and only one of the prototypes had survived but not sure anymore if that is true. Here is a photo of a Killbery Grain Saver you had posted an ad a while back and I thought I would post this pic of one that I photographed at the Agriculture Museum in Austin Manitoba

 

Its nice to see a Killberry swather preserved. They were one of the pioneers in self propelled swathers. We have come a long way since then. 

Yes, I've seen pictures of the prototype Cockshutt 580 tractor. In fact it was on the classic tractors calendar one year.

Here is what Cockshutt was selling in 1961 as their biggest tractor. You could see both Oliver and Cockshutt ads in the same Country Guide magazine back then. Same tractor. Different paint and decals.  

[U-C]

I know this photo of a Cockshutt 540 with a Cockshutt swather isn't an ad but still like to share it.

[Loadstar]

1 hour ago, U-C said:

I know this photo of a Cockshutt 540 with a Cockshutt swather isn't an ad but still like to share it.

 

Nice view of the Cockshutt  machinery. That number 2 swather was popular in it's day although it looks like a crude old thing by today's standards. You can see one included in this 1953 combine ad. 

[U-C]

2 hours ago, Loadstar said:

Nice view of the Cockshutt  machinery. That number 2 swather was popular in it's day although it looks like a crude old thing by today's standards. You can see one included in this 1953 combine ad. 

Nice, real Canadian made farm equipment. I think we had once such a swather behind the house in the bush but sadly got sold for scrap, I wasn't happy when that happened, back then I didn't know that it was a Cockshutt but it also could of been a Minneapolis Moline Swather. I took a photo of of that combine too at the show and beside it was its successor.