Sledgehammer Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Fred B said: well, i,ve not put any time on a implement behind a horse, so i don't know of their hydraulic systems, but the farmall A & B had an exhaust gas lift system , maybe that's what the horse system was. just connect that bottom hose------never mind I bet that horse would give you a lift if you plugged a hose in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Dirt Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I am hoping that the "horse kick video" is not staged. Have always wanted to see that happen in some of of the "so- called peaceful" flag burning demonstrations we have seen recently. My hat is off to the police horses and their trainers- - - - - the horses are extremely calm during raucous activity. In this case- - - - - - - looks like the horse was extremely accurate with the placement of his kick!!!! ****** Thanks for the vacuum lift diagram Fred B- - - - - - don't think I have ever seen one. DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 10 hours ago, Loadstar said: IBoy, that old iron "cheese grater" seat just looks painful. Maybe the cast iron seats were better but all I have seen are thin pressed steel. Here is a pic for you of a cast seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred B Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 actually anson, it's exhaust pressure using standard garden hose fittings from a diverter valve mounted on the exhaust manifold.under the muffler. On the plus side it basically was live because it worked whenever the engine was running and you could move the lift cylinder to different areas on the tractor. On the negative side, as the piston came out of the cylinder, it pulled up on a cable that ran under pulleys and through a pipe to do its job. I am thinking since the cable came down the side, it kind of pulled the piston plunger sideways. Of course the hot exhaust gas didn't help any. The valving mechanism was very problematic. I would think it robbed some horse power and it's my understand that it caused some burnt valves. oh well they tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Dirt Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Exhaust powered lift makes more sense than vacuum- - - - - - but I have always heard of them referred to as being vacuum powered. The "famous" horse Wrangler (who resided here with us for approx 10 yrs) always said that: if someone had ever invented a vertical exhaust for horses/mules- - - - the tractor would have never been invented!!!! DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDairy Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 um......thats a ghost drawn cutter there gentlemen. Narrya ox, ass, nor Mogul in sight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Cook Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I windrowed many acres of oats with a John Deere No.5 and that pea and vine attachment. You set the bar to cut up above the green stuff and go. There is a different inside shoe that adjusts higher, and a wheel for the outer end. 9 foot bar had a wheel for the center to keep the sag out of it. It worked very well. We had no peas and we plowed down clover. Alfalfa was the hay crop and was not swathed with a rake after some drying. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 7 hours ago, TroyDairy said: um......thats a ghost drawn cutter there gentlemen. Narrya ox, ass, nor Mogul in sight! You just thought the Segway was a new idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U-C Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 On 4/16/2017 at 10:54 PM, Loadstar said: One of our neighbors has a Rotaspreader, but he hasn't used it for years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U-C Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 On 4/17/2017 at 10:24 AM, Loadstar said: In 1947 you could still buy a ground drive , horse pulled mower from Massey Harris. 5 or 6 foot cut. Boy, that old iron "cheese grater" seat just looks painful. Maybe the cast iron seats were better but all I have seen are thin pressed steel. Two Swiss Farm Equipment manufactures still made horse drawn mowers until the end of the 50's, both made a one horse mower with a engine that drove the cutter bar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U-C Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Here is an ad of a hay tedder manufactured by the Maschinenfabrik (Manufacturing) A Gamper in Waengi Switzerland from 1905 or so. The A Gamper company became known in later years as the Waengi Maschinenfabrik AG. which doesn't exist anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 36 minutes ago, U-C said: Two Swiss Farm Equipment manufactures still made horse drawn mowers until the end of the 50's, both made a one horse mower with a engine that drove the cutter bar! The Amish would approve. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve C. Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 20 minutes ago, Loadstar said: The Amish would approve. :-) Wouldn't it have to burn kerosene? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U-C Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 22 hours ago, Loadstar said: The Amish would approve. :-) That's true they would :-) The amish make forecarts with small gas engines and also with diesel engines to power their equipment there is a video on youtube were one guy that has his horses hitched to a New Holland forage harvester. Here is a picture of one of the mowers with an small gas engine manufactured by AEBI & Co. AG. Maschinenfabrik Burgdorf Switzerland. The company adverticed them as "you can mowe with this mower more than with a two horse grounddrive mower!" I've scant this picture from the front cover of a swiss magazine that doesn't exist anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 3 hours ago, U-C said: Here is a picture of one of the mowers with an small gas engine manufactured by AEBI & Co. AG. Maschinenfabrik Burgdorf Switzerland. The company adverticed them as "you can mowe with this mower more than with a two horse grounddrive mower!" I've scant this picture from the front cover of a swiss magazine that doesn't exist anymore. That is an interesting blend of old and new technology. Although that engine is pretty old tech too. This is not quite a vintage ad but a vintage operator manual. I used to borrow one of these from a neighbour and that little six foot Case disk was great for breaking up small patches of new ground or bushland. Converted to hydraulic adjusted angle and a couple of Case wheel weights thrown into the carriers and it would really cut up the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U-C Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 19 hours ago, Loadstar said: That is an interesting blend of old and new technology. Although that engine is pretty old tech too. This is not quite a vintage ad but a vintage operator manual. I used to borrow one of these from a neighbour and that little six foot Case disk was great for breaking up small patches of new ground or bushland. Converted to hydraulic adjusted angle and a couple of Case wheel weights thrown into the carriers and it would really cut up the ground. The Aebi company made about 7 695 of this mowers and about 75 132 from the grounddrive models. The Company was founded in 1883 by Johann Ulrich Aebi (1846-1919) and started mass production of the mowers in 1897 but manufactured this mowers a view years before. Johann Ulrich (or Hansueli) made his very first farm machine when he turned 19 years old. He made his first 20 mowers in 1876 in his farm shop. The company also manufactured seed drills until they stopped making them at the end of the 50's, the company speciallized at this time on farm vehicles for mountain farmers (which they still make to this day). Cool disc do you know how long Case made this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U-C Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Here is a vintage ad of a Agrar-Rauschenbach threshing machine from the 1944. Agrar from Wil Switzerland bought Rauschenbach from the Georg Fischer Company from Schaffhausen Switzerland in 1939. Rauschenbach was once the largest farm equipment manufacture in Switzerland, founded in the 1840's by Johannes Rauschenbach in Schaffhausen (threshing machines were one of the main products). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 On 4/20/2017 at 5:23 PM, U-C said: Cool disc do you know how long Case made this? I have no idea how long Case built these breaking disks. I know they still made light duty tillage disks up into the 70s. That Swiss built threshing machine looks somewhat different from the threshers built in America. I don't know what brand this one is in the 1952 Goodyear Klingtite belt ad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U-C Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 51 minutes ago, Loadstar said: I have no idea how long Case built these breaking disks. I know they still made light duty tillage disks up into the 70s. That Swiss built threshing machine looks somewhat different from the threshers built in America. I don't know what brand this one is in the 1952 Goodyear Klingtite belt ad. I never knew that Good Year made that kind of belts. That threshing machine could be made by Oliver because the tractor looks like one! In Switzerland and in other parts of Europe barn threshing was common, my father told me that the custom threshers would hook the electric motor which powered the threshing machine directly to the power lines! I am not sure if I can post this link of a film I've found on youtube which shows farm life in 1958 in Switzerland. In that video there is a scene of a threshing crew with the farm family at work it starts around the 36:00 minute mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillskinefarms Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Thanks for posting that video, it is one of the most interesting I have watched in a long time. The phrase "a place for everything and everything in it's place" comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 12 hours ago, U-C said: I never knew that Good Year made that kind of belts. That threshing machine could be made by Oliver because the tractor looks like one! I To me that tractor in the ad looks more like a Minneapolis. Possibly a model R like the one in this 1952 ad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred B Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 i am thinking the tractor on the threshing machine is a Z, based just that . Z would be a better HP match. they both look almost alike. both R&Z very good, i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U-C Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 7 hours ago, Fred B said: i am thinking the tractor on the threshing machine is a Z, based just that . Z would be a better HP match. they both look almost alike. both R&Z very good, i think. Do you collect Minneapolis Moline tractors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U-C Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Here is a 1943 ad from the W. Merz & Co. Advertising their tractors with a wood gasifier. Merz was a Fordson tractor dealer and in later years a Ford New Holland dealer in a near by town I used to life (sadly it looks like that this company no longer exists). Merz manufactured from 1940 to 1945 a total of 50 tractors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 On 4/23/2017 at 9:34 AM, Fred B said: i am thinking the tractor on the threshing machine is a Z, based just that . Z would be a better HP match. they both look almost alike. both R&Z very good, i think. Could be. I do not know the smaller MM tractors very well. We mostly saw the bigger model U and the occasional G like the one in this 1954 ad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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