Loadstar Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 On 12/23/2016 at 9:53 AM, redneckchevy9 said: Little bit older than the letter series, but still a nice F Series ad. Notice how the rear wheels in the "action shots" don't match the stationary pictures. Great Farmall ad there and really vintage compared to this circa 1970 Crown Rock picker ad I have. These were very popular in their day for picking the big ones that were too big to go through the reel and grate on the Degelman reel type pickers. You could dig rocks out of the ground too but you could also bend teeth on the fork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George 2 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Loadstar said: Great Farmall ad there and really vintage compared to this circa 1970 Crown Rock picker ad I have. These were very popular in their day for picking the big ones that were too big to go through the reel and grate on the Degelman reel type pickers. You could dig rocks out of the ground too but you could also bend teeth on the fork That is an excellent picture of a picker I have never seen. I have a Crown rock picker with a hydraulic drive reel and a Crown windrower. I often wondered how you dug the big ones out other than with a backhoe and a loader. Thanks for enlightening me. I understand Crown is gone and someone else took over their business. They were very popular here especially with the guys who grew white beans back then. And when they started growing soybean back around 1980 used ones became very expensive, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Dad has a crown rockpicker with reel. Used it a bunch summers mfg here in nd took them over I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Just now, dale560 said: Dad has a crown rockpicker with reel. Used it a bunch summers mfg here in nd took them over I think. I've had a Crown reel type almost 30 years and it is a good picker especially with the hydraulic drive reel. Its a little weak compared to a Degelman. I've bent the teeth in the grate so many times. Broke a few teeth off the reel too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneckchevy9 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 19 hours ago, Loadstar said: I've had a Crown reel type almost 30 years and it is a good picker especially with the hydraulic drive reel. Its a little weak compared to a Degelman. I've bent the teeth in the grate so many times. Broke a few teeth off the reel too. I didn't even know such a thing existed! Guess you could say we don't have rocks in our peat dirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mader656 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Spent a month in tractor running a high line xl picker moves a lotta rock fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 21 hours ago, Loadstar said: I've had a Crown reel type almost 30 years and it is a good picker especially with the hydraulic drive reel. Its a little weak compared to a Degelman. I've bent the teeth in the grate so many times. Broke a few teeth off the reel too. Dad made a pipe with a notch to fit over the teeth and bend them straight. When they got real bad he would take them apart press them all straight. He was getting parts for his through summers mfg. I think he called it a crown rock picker when I was little. He bought a 4020 powershift to pull it made a good combo. Picked a lot of rocks with it. Had that running and a 74 gmc pickup us kids would ride around in and fill by hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 4 hours ago, redneckchevy9 said: I didn't even know such a thing existed! Guess you could say we don't have rocks in our peat dirt. Check my video at the 55 second mark and you will see a brief clip of the Crown rock picker in action behind my 2090 Case. I've put a lot of hours in on that job in the past 30 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Yep that is exact same rockpicker as dads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George 2 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Exactly the same as mine also. Good old picker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 29 minutes ago, George 2 said: Exactly the same as mine also. Good old picker. Yes, pretty good but as I mentioned, a little weak compared to Degelman. I've used both. The hydraulic drive reel is far superior to the ground drive too. You can vary the reel speed according to conditions. Also you can drive up to a rock, stop the tractor and yet the reel keeps turning. Unlike the ground drive which only turns the reel when the wheels are turning. A Degelman with hyd drive would be on my wish list. 50 year ago the hot ticket for rock picking was built not far from me at Southey, Sask. The Anderson rock picker looks crude and complicated today but in the late fifties it looked pretty attractive to those of us used to hand picking rocks onto a stone boat and then having to unload them at the pile by hand. My Uncle bought a share in one and it was used by several other farmers. It pulled directly behind the tractor which would be hard on the neck turning right around backwards to see whats going up the grate. This ad from 1965. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mader656 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Probably recycled, but here goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKS Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 On 26/12/2016 at 6:32 PM, Loadstar said: I've had a Crown reel type almost 30 years and it is a good picker especially with the hydraulic drive reel. Its a little weak compared to a Degelman. I've bent the teeth in the grate so many times. Broke a few teeth off the reel too. I have 2 fork type like the add , both in time out now .The biggest difference between Crown and Degalman is the weight so it will take a bit more of a solid rock before it bends . The problem is a rock picker isn't a rock digger and we all want to push them past the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George 2 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 On 27/12/2016 at 10:26 PM, Loadstar said: Yes, pretty good but as I mentioned, a little weak compared to Degelman. I've used both. The hydraulic drive reel is far superior to the ground drive too. You can vary the reel speed according to conditions. Also you can drive up to a rock, stop the tractor and yet the reel keeps turning. Unlike the ground drive which only turns the reel when the wheels are turning. A Degelman with hyd drive would be on my wish list. 50 year ago the hot ticket for rock picking was built not far from me at Southey, Sask. The Anderson rock picker looks crude and complicated today but in the late fifties it looked pretty attractive to those of us used to hand picking rocks onto a stone boat and then having to unload them at the pile by hand. My Uncle bought a share in one and it was used by several other farmers. It pulled directly behind the tractor which would be hard on the neck turning right around backwards to see whats going up the grate. This ad from 1965. The biggest problem with the Anderson picker is that if you hit a solid rock that jammed the machine you would bust the PTO shaft usually unless your PTO clutches slipped easily. I have seen a 560, a 706 and a JD 3020 all with busted PTO shafts from use with an Anderson. That is the reason at least in my area that farmers got rid of them and bought the Crowns with hydraulic drive. The Degelman is now the picker of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 On 12/31/2016 at 2:13 PM, George 2 said: The biggest problem with the Anderson picker is that if you hit a solid rock that jammed the machine you would bust the PTO shaft usually unless your PTO clutches slipped easily. I have seen a 560, a 706 and a JD 3020 all with busted PTO shafts from use with an Anderson. That is the reason at least in my area that farmers got rid of them and bought the Crowns with hydraulic drive. The Degelman is now the picker of choice. So Anderson Rock pickers made it to your area George2. I'm surprised. And I had not heard my uncle ever mention broken pto shafts. Actually I assumed the one he ran was a ground drive like most Degelman pickers were in the early days. Worst you would do on a rock jam was break a wheel on the picker although mostly it just skidded. I better start the new year off right with a vintage IH ad from 1952 featuring the big W and WD9 tractor. IH sold a lot of them out in Sask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George 2 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Ralph: The reason there were and still are a lot of rock pickers in my area is that it is prime white bean and soybean land. However, it has a lot of glacial till in the soil in a strip parallel to Lake Huron for about 50 miles stretching from Hwy 9 in the north to Hwy 83 in the south. That strip extends from about 10 miles inland to about 30 miles inland. So rock pickers are a must and especially in the early days when white beans were pulled with a bean puller. From what I saw, I think the old Anderson was about the first in the area back in the late 1950s to about 1970. The early ones were ground driven. The Crown and other copies of it made their debut in about 1970 with JF Farm Machinery of Exeter selling a lot of them. The early Crowns were ground drive also and the later ones in the late 1970's to 1980's were hydraulic drive. One of my neighbors has a Crown ground drive and I used it many years ago before I bought my own hydraulic drive version. What an improvement with hydraulic drive. Before I bought mine I looked at a bunch of old PTO drive Anderson's that were priced at scrap value. From what I knew about problems with broken PTO shafts, it didn't surprise me. As far as your pictures go, the picture of the WD9 brings back memories of about 50 years ago when I first visited this area. I was from small dairy country and I was amazed at the numbers of big old standards that were around in this area. There was even a W9 parked in a driveway on the main street in the town I first lived in in 1974. The locals told me they were old custom thresher tractors and some were brought in from Saskatchewan. There are some connections to Saskatchewan implement dealers to this very day in this area. That is why you see old prairie tractors with no 3 point at both Bryans Farm Supply in Puslinch and Teeswater Agro Parts in Teeswater, Ontario. Very few were ordered that way here originally. The reason was that McKee snowblowers and others were starting to be used and they were all rear mounted. Then International came out with their own model 80 snowblower and they sold a lot of them. Other small welding shops all started to make them in the late 1960's and they all needed 3 point hitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 On 1/2/2017 at 7:03 PM, George 2 said: Ralph: That is why you see old prairie tractors with no 3 point at both Bryans Farm Supply in Puslinch and Teeswater Agro Parts in Teeswater, Ontario. Very few were ordered that way here originally. The reason was that McKee snowblowers and others were starting to be used and they were all rear mounted. Then International came out with their own model 80 snowblower and they sold a lot of them. Other small welding shops all started to make them in the late 1960's and they all needed 3 point hitch. 40 some years ago when we were looking for a cheap snow blower there were only 3 point hitch models in that price range. It was pretty hard to find a tractor with 3 point hitch here back then. About all we saw were the little Ford N series and the bigger Fordson Majors. Ended up making a three point hitch for the Cockshutt 40 using parts from a wrecked Fordson Major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 The subject of Sund pickups came up over on the vintage photos thread so i thought I'd post this circa 1980 vintage ad for Sund pickups. The cover shows two Sund pickups installed on a wide straight cut header and they appear to be picking up some type of row crop. Seems to me I heard of guys trying this with peas but I can't see it working too well if it pulls the whole plant out, muddy roots and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Ralph that was a big way to combine edible beans or lentils. On pinto beans they ran a knifer that had a spinning rod like a rod weeder to cut the plants of then the later ones actually wind rowed 20ft so up and down the field you picked up 40 ft that laid side to side. Big money in edibles the last few years. I thinkin that picture they actually ran knife Ike shovels shallow in the ground then gently laid two 30 inch rows together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 17 minutes ago, Loadstar said: The subject of Sund pickups came up over on the vintage photos thread so i thought I'd post this circa 1980 vintage ad for Sund pickups. The cover shows two Sund pickups installed on a wide straight cut header and they appear to be picking up some type of row crop. Seems to me I heard of guys trying this with peas but I can't see it working too well if it pulls the whole plant out, muddy roots and all. I have seen Sund advertise that too going straight into a pea crop. We tried that one time on some specialty peas and I think it would have worked but we didn't have a cutting disc on each end of the header to cut a swath. The problem was when the tines grabbed the peas the whole field wanted to come into the header and it would jam the header. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George 2 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 15 hours ago, Loadstar said: The subject of Sund pickups came up over on the vintage photos thread so i thought I'd post this circa 1980 vintage ad for Sund pickups. The cover shows two Sund pickups installed on a wide straight cut header and they appear to be picking up some type of row crop. Seems to me I heard of guys trying this with peas but I can't see it working too well if it pulls the whole plant out, muddy roots and all. I think you might add "pulls the whole plant out, muddy roots, stones and all". That is how white beans were harvested here 35 to 40 years ago. Hence the need for a good stone picker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Another good old Farmhand loader ad from 1950. Looks like an Allis Chalmers tricycle front with a loader on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 You ever notice those farmhands had the controls on the left side and most other loaders or tractor had right hand controls. I actually liked the left hand controls, all types of farmhand were popular here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 7 hours ago, dale560 said: You ever notice those farmhands had the controls on the left side and most other loaders or tractor had right hand controls. I actually liked the left hand controls, all types of farmhand were popular here. I actually know nothing about the Farmhand loader and had not noticed the location of the controls. The old Twin Draulic I bought years ago had controls on the right fender of the tractor. Now here is a different brand of loader that I have never heard of either. This Johnson Hydraulic Equipment Co. "Workhorse" looks similar design to the Farmhands. Apparently they were built in Minnesota. This ad from 1953. Some might recognize this ad as a re-run but I thought it fit well with the Farmhand loader theme I've got going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Ralph, I've spent lots and lots of hours operating and building Farmhand units. The first model they came out with was nicknamed the "bridge" model, due to all of the upper structure to hold the hydraulic arms and the head still and square. This one is shown on a John Deere, but when I was about four, Dad and his brothers bought one of these and mounted it on our Farmall H, Annie. Annie, our 1939 Farmall H, that they mounted the "bridge" Farmhand on. It was a mistake. My cousin Bob was operating it in the field haying. A buckrake brought him hay, so he started lifting and turning a "U" to head into the haystack. He laid the outfit over on its side. Did I mention, Annie is an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm? After that Dad started building them on trucks, reversed. This is the last of about 15 units Dad built. I helped with this one. He usually built them in the winter in his shop. This poor photo is from my auction sale bill. I happen to have this one with it in the winter, and the grapple fork mounted. I used it to feed loose hay with. At this particular time, I had a sick cow and was using it to help hold her up. Our son Mike, standing there, is now 50+ years old. Speaking of a grapple fork, this pencil drawing my friend Don Greytak drew, shows how a tractor and grapple fork worked with one of those F-10 Farmhand loaders. They were a good loader and they were a great stacker. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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