Ron Cook Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Well, it does say powered by "live pulley system", Ralph. I have no idea what tractor ever had that. Engine driven unit is something I always intended to build. I hate looking back at a snowblower and getting a stiff neck. But, you are right about the heavy front weight messing up the traction. So far this winter, I have not even put my blower in gear. I like that as far as winter goes, but it sure is dry here right now. That may not be a good thing. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Well, it does say powered by "live pulley system", Ralph. I have no idea what tractor ever had that. Engine driven unit is something I always intended to build. I hate looking back at a snowblower and getting a stiff neck. But, you are right about the heavy front weight messing up the traction. So far this winter, I have not even put my blower in gear. I like that as far as winter goes, but it sure is dry here right now. That may not be a good thing. Ron Ron, the experts are already talking of the possibility of drought for Sask. this year as seen in this news item yesterday. That should help alleviate the excess grain and low prices we are currently seeing. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/saskatchewan-may-face-drought-like-conditions-this-summer-1.2542236 This ad goes back a few days to when the name "Golden Demo" came up after the "brass tacks demonstrator" ad. This would have been about 1970 or 71 when the 70 series Case tractors were new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George 2 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Weren't these Case Tractors known as "Black Knights"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Weren't these Case Tractors known as "Black Knights"? I have heard those Case demonstrators referred to as Black Knights but have not seen it in print in any of the ads I have here. This ad also shows the four wheel drive model 1470 in black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Ralph, Uncle Charlie got a Farmall Cub as well, some time after we got ours. It is the rear Cub in this July 1950 haying photo of cousin Alvin, Chuck and brother Bill. Bought new and not broken in two, Dad is mowing grass with his Cub Cadet he bought in 1964. It was the second one sold at Bourke Motor in Lewistown. My cousin George Machler bought the first one they sold. I sure wish I still had those two "Cubs!" Gary Gary, those cubs sure would look right at home in your collection. Great pictures. I have a little bigger IH tractor on this Farmhand ad from 1954. That snow blower attachment is interesting. The auxiliary engine would make for a heavy front end and not much traction. The belt pulley optional drive sounds good but no "live drive" . Blower would stop when you push in the clutch to back up. Ralph, Like Ron says about the traction problem, the Farmall M wasn't the easiest steering tractor I've ever driven, with a loader mounted. If a guy needed it, I guess you'd make do? Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Dirt Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Re: Demo models All of the dealers used to utilize field demonstrations as part of their sales program. Reckon that's a thing of the past? DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Re: Demo models All of the dealers used to utilize field demonstrations as part of their sales program. Reckon that's a thing of the past? DD I think so but only for the big farmers. JD had a swather and combine in the area last harvest and I heard of a few guys that ran a few acres through them. I wonder if this Allis Chalmers dealer would have given me a 190XT for a day back in the early sixties? Of course I'd have been a little too young to run it at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 keep posting those ads ralph and everyone else. the farmhand ad was just like we used to do it here. dad had a f10 cable on a jd A narrow front then he switched it to a super m after a while. he traded the F10 for a F11 loader in 1979. we thought that was state of the art. he finally put power steering on the m in 84 or 85. the cub cadet ad is neat also we about wore dads 100 out when we were kids using it for anything possible. keep the ads coming. P.S. about 20 years ago I did see a front mount blower I think in minot n.d. so the did make them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 keep posting those ads ralph and everyone else. the farmhand ad was just like we used to do it here. dad had a f10 cable on a jd A narrow front then he switched it to a super m after a while. he traded the F10 for a F11 loader in 1979. we thought that was state of the art. he finally put power steering on the m in 84 or 85. the cub cadet ad is neat also we about wore dads 100 out when we were kids using it for anything possible. keep the ads coming. P.S. about 20 years ago I did see a front mount blower I think in minot n.d. so the did make them. Thanks dale560. I do recall posting an ad for Richardson front mount snow blowers here way back in the thread. Date would have been about 1950 so yes, they were available but I don't ever recall seeing one. This is another Farmhand loader ad from 1950. They even offered a V type snowplow attachment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Ralph, I spent lots of days underneath an F-10 Farmhand loader over the years, years ago. When I was a boy and we were still cutting our hay with F-20 and Regular tractors, we also had Annie, our 1939 Farmall H. My older cousin was driving Annie with a "bridge" type Farmhand, as the one pictured here. Annie has a narrow front end, as the Minneapolis and Farmall M in the ad you just posted. Cousin Bob was coming in to the loose hay stack, raising the head and turned a 180 degree turn to get into the hay corral and the stack. Well that old narrow front end tractor just laid over on its side.... the same reason the sporting vehicle industry went from "three wheelers" to "four wheelers". They tip over easily when moving and turned. This F-10 was my last Farmhand, and my best. That's son Mike, or Farmall Kid there looking at the cow (that didn't make it either) I had in an assistance with my Farmhand. This farmhand was put on a IH K-5 dump truck chassis, which didn't require the frame to be shortened. I had a silver diamond 220 overhead engine, synchromesh 4-speed transmission, and this thing was a dream of a unit to operate, whether feeding off of a loose hay stack with a grapple and chained up in the winter, or stacking loose hay in the summer. It just worked so well. And, yes that was our first TD-40 TracTracTor we had, over in the corner of the Quonset. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Cook Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 The Farmhand was quite a deal in its day. Most around these parts were on an M Farmall and most were tipped over. Farmhand's quick mounting hardware and my idea of quick mounting hardware are two different things. That humongous mess of contraptions called the Farmhand loader tied up a tractor all winter and it would not fit through gates, in machine sheds, etc. etc. Here in row-crop country where we bought Montana cattle to fatten in the winter and needed tractors for other uses, the Farmhand quickly fell out of favor. In the early fifties, DuAll of Sioux Falls came out with a loader of a much better design for this part of the country. We had the hay sweep for stacking hay and straw, the grapple for taking down the stacks and putting in the feedrack, the snow bucket, and the manure bucket. Danged thing is still on the family farm and in use. I would have replaced it years ago but my dad was too cheap to replace anything that he didn't touch. Just have the hired help or the children take care of it! I'll bet someone has an ad for the DuAll. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Gary, that is pretty inventive to put that loader onto the IH truck. Ron, I have seen ads here for the Dual loader and I know they were popular as I have seen more of them than I have the Farmhand style. Here is something a little different. A 1950 ad for Horn Draulic loaders. Similar "cage style" to the Farmhand. I can't imagine hanging a 1500 pound round bale on that grapple though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Ralph, I worked for Bourke Motor & Implement in Lewistown, MT, and they also sold Farmhand. I also worked for Woods Bros. Implement in Hobson, MT. Howard sold DuAl. Howard put a lot of DuAl loaders out onto the market. The good thing about a truck mounted F-10 Farmhand is the more weight you put on the head, the more traction you have in snow. That Horn Draulic loader does have a Rube Goldberg, Erector Set appearance. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabatire Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 We had a Farmhand on a Farmall M for a while then dad mounted it on the John Deere R. Wow could we ever stack hay then. The R had enough power to push a mountain-load of hay from the field to the stack, then slip into 5th gear, let the tines ride on the ground to take the bounce out of the rig, and head back for another load. Only fell victim to a gopher hole once that caught the end of a tine because I wasn't running the sweep flat enough to the ground. Good thing I had already pulled the clutch getting ready to slip it into 4th. I could keep four fellas busy, two per stack, building a stack at each end of the field. They had a 23 foot lift so a fella sure could make a nice high stack, which after the stack settled, made for a stack with decent tonnage. After the snow came we would run a cable around the stack and with the R behind it and a chained-up Massey 102 Senior up front we towed the stacks into the yard. Sometimes right smack dab down the road for a mile or two. My Uncle had the same type of Farmhand on a WD9. It was geared too high to slide the sweep in 5th gear for the stacking operation, but working in conjunction with another WD9 it could sure move the stacks from the field. I can't imagine how long that Farmhand loader would have tolerated the sideways forces a snowplow would exert on it. Our neighbour made a blade for theirs out of 2X10's for pushing snow. It did OK until his son got the brainwave to mount it at an angle. He soon found out that straight ahead pushing was what those Farmhands were designed for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Here is a couple of pics of our Farmall M with the "bridge" Farmhand loader. First pic is the tractor brand new brought home by us in 1950. We finally took the loader off in the late 90s and during all that time it was never ever laid over on its side. 2nd pic is during harvest. The paddle elevator is a JD, the truck is a 1940 Chevy. We still have the paddle elevator, the truck, and the tractor/loader to this day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Here is a couple of pics of our Farmall M with the "bridge" Farmhand loader. First pic is the tractor brand new brought home by us in 1950. We finally took the loader off in the late 90s and during all that time it was never ever laid over on its side. 2nd pic is during harvest. The paddle elevator is a JD, the truck is a 1940 Chevy. We still have the paddle elevator, the truck, and the tractor/loader to this day. Wow, Bigbudguy, those are some excellent photos. Even a big K model IH truck hauling your M. That is quite the innovative method of unloading the grain truck but I guess it beats shoveling like my dad used to do with the old 46 Ford. Its interesting to see that Farmhand was still selling much the same F10 and F11 loaders in 1965 as seen in this ad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Dirt Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I used my gin poles and winch mounted on the cut down IH 125 combine to dump my neighbor's B160 bob truck when he would custom cut with us. He was an older fellow------had a MF 410----I always told him he could come cut as much as he wanted to. He was so honest----I never worried about the scales when we were dumping at the bins. Great pics Big Bud. DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Forgot about the stack frame have one still sitting in the trees. Guys stacked around here until the 90s. The last we stacked was when dad would top off three jd bread loaf stacks making them into one. You used to see the odd guy stacking with a jd loader but most everyone used a farmhand. You still see quite a few feeding cows yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I guess you might want one of these M&W live hydraulic attachments for your M if it didn't already have it. Would be hard working with that Farmhand loader if your hydraulics quit every time you pushed in the clutch. This was still being advertised in 1965 as I guess there were plenty of older tractors out there without live hyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I was still pretty young maybe about 14 when dad put power steering on his super M. he didn't put a live pump on it to run the loader until I was about 19 0r 20 but having to shift into neutral you got used to it. the engine pump was used when he put it on and actually didn't work as good as the pto pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabatire Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 The issue with the live power take off was one of the reasons dad mounted the Farmhand on the Model R, although as dale560 commented, we got quite adept at slipping the M into neutral at the right time in order to keep the pto driven pump turning. Neither the R or the M had power steering and with the hand clutch on the R, we soon learned the true meaning of the term 'one-armed-paper-hanger-with-crabs'. Sure wish I had some ads to add to the thread, instead of just butting in, but I'm sure enjoying the memories you all rekindle with the ads that are posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Sure wish I had some ads to add to the thread, instead of just butting in, but I'm sure enjoying the memories you all rekindle with the ads that are posted. Your memories and pictures are a valuable contribution to the thread. Makes the ads more meaningful when somebody that knows the machinery can comment on how it worked. Now this next ad I have to admit I "borrowed" from another forum a while back. I try to keep mostly my own material on here but this one was just so good and unique I could not pass it by. So if somebody recognizes it as their own then I apologize in advance for pirating it. Since we had been discussing Du-all front end loaders I thought this would fit well. It is a swather attachment to fit on the front end loader frame. It seems like an excellent idea if it was built strong enough. Since I have never seen one or even heard of it, I can only assume that the idea was less than successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Sure wish I had some ads to add to the thread, instead of just butting in, but I'm sure enjoying the memories you all rekindle with the ads that are posted. Your memories and pictures are a valuable contribution to the thread. Makes the ads more meaningful when somebody that knows the machinery can comment on how it worked. Now this next ad I have to admit I "borrowed" from another forum a while back. I try to keep mostly my own material on here but this one was just so good and unique I could not pass it by. So if somebody recognizes it as their own then I apologize in advance for pirating it. Since we had been discussing Du-all front end loaders I thought this would fit well. It is a swather attachment to fit on the front end loader frame. It seems like an excellent idea if it was built strong enough. Since I have never seen one or even heard of it, I can only assume that the idea was less than successful. I wonder how it was powered? JD had a front-mounted windrower, but it hung off the tractor frame, instead of being a loader attachment. With a little magnification and eye strain it appears that the swather attachment was powered by a little 6 horsepower engine mounted on the end of the header. I see Farmhand also made a standard front end loader in 1952 as seen in this ad mounted on a Farmall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 From 1951. Great names. Roadmaster, Dynaflow, Fireball power. They were impressive. Was just watching a show about Cuba and all those great old fifties cars they manage to keep running some how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George 2 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Ralph: Do you have the same ads for Oldsmobile in 1952? If you do would love to see one. My parents had a '52 in the mid to late 1950s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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