Loadstar Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Here's an ad for TD-18s and a TD-14 single stack out in the background from Life Magazine. Here's another TD-18 Ad depicting the landing invasion with this Marine's version of the TD-18. There is one of these in the Mehmke Museum near Great Falls, Montana. Gary Gary, IH did not advertise a lot, at least I don't have a lot in my collections, but they were good quality like those you posted. This 1954 ad for Macdonald cabs I have features a WD9 IH. I guess we would appreciate the cab on that tractor this morning with wind chill factors in the -40 range. Might be a challenge getting that old WD9 fired up too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Gary, The ad for the military TD18 is one of my favorites , International employed some very talented artists , Does anyone know who the artist's were ?? Loadstar, I have never seen that picture of the "Bombardier" Track system on a tractor Way cool !! The Bombardier sidewalk plows are still popular in my neck of the woods Many of the town departments use them with V-plows and small spreaders on the back. Not to get to far off track but here is a picture of a lesser known Bombardier ATV made in the late 60's into the early 70's It is called a COOT it is a very rugged 4wd 4 wheel steer go anywhere vehicle ,great for exploring ,pretty much all steel body , and it Floats!! The factory actually had a propeller option, I have linked an article from Popular mechanics describing a trek up the 2nd highest mountain in the lower 48 (Colorado) using these atv's http://www.cootworld.com/geninfo/pm0270.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Here's an ad for TD-18s and a TD-14 single stack out in the background from Life Magazine. Here's another TD-18 Ad depicting the landing invasion with this Marine's version of the TD-18. There is one of these in the Mehmke Museum near Great Falls, Montana. Gary Gary, IH did not advertise a lot, at least I don't have a lot in my collections, but they were good quality like those you posted. This 1954 ad for Macdonald cabs I have features a WD9 IH. I guess we would appreciate the cab on that tractor this morning with wind chill factors in the -40 range. Might be a challenge getting that old WD9 fired up too. Ralph, On a cold day in the field, I loved our MacDonald cab on our WD-9. And the pencil drawing of my friend Don Greytak's is also on the wall of our kitchen. I recreated that exact photo in reality on the farm, with our and Roger Long's fence, with Dad's #5 IHC Rod Weeders. I think this was the last time my big brother Bill was at our house, before he passed away. Note the Greytak picture behind me. George2, I'm glad I could help you out! I found another picture from my old postcards. The hood is removed. This was near Roy, Montana. I don't think I can come up with a picture of a 45; only a 30 Pioneer Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George 2 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Thanks Gary. The thirty and the 45 must have been some impressive tractors in 1913. I have only seen one photo of the 45-90 in I think the old Canadian Antique Power Magazine about 20 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 George 2 Searched around a little bit , found some more pictures of Pioneer tractors, There is some information available on a few other sites, Quite the Machine !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 And a few more, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 One more and a picture of a " Pioneer tractor on a Sudanese Farm " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George 2 Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Thanks kevingweq. The 30-60 had 96 inch diameter rear wheels and the 45-90 had 108 inch rear wheels. I wonder if the one you showed building roads with FLO on the corner of the photo is a 45-90. The rear wheels look 9 feet tall by the size of the man beside it. The front wheels are also huge compared to the man siting on it. Just imagine way back in 1913 having a big tractor like that. I suppose it is like a Steiger 600 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Ralph, On a cold day in the field, I loved our MacDonald cab on our WD-9. And the pencil drawing of my friend Don Greytak's is also on the wall of our kitchen. I recreated that exact photo in reality on the farm, with our and Roger Long's fence, with Dad's #5 IHC Rod Weeders. Gary Gary, I had forgotten that you had the Macdonald cab on your WD9. That is another excellent drawing by Don Greytak too . I never get tired of seeing them. I have an ad here for another big tractor in 1951. I'd guess this Case LA would be in the same class as the W9 IHC. This one is pulling a disk followed up by a press drill. Looks like a 20 run drill so probably a ten footer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Thanks kevingweq. The 30-60 had 96 inch diameter rear wheels and the 45-90 had 108 inch rear wheels. I wonder if the one you showed building roads with FLO on the corner of the photo is a 45-90. The rear wheels look 9 feet tall by the size of the man beside it. The front wheels are also huge compared to the man siting on it. Just imagine way back in 1913 having a big tractor like that. I suppose it is like a Steiger 600 today. George , You have a sharp eye , those wheels look all of 9ft tall , In comparing the plowing tractor to the roadbuilding tractor there is much less of the cab window exposed above the wheel and the difference looks to be about 1 ft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 George 2, I agree with you. I really think this Pioneer Kevin posted is very likely a 45-90? I think it has the height to back it up? I've never seen one that I know of. And maybe I have now? I had things all screwed up in my original post. Kevin, I concur with you and what you noticed in driver wheel height. This isn't much of a picture the way it sets, but the original I got my copy from was about four feet wide and a foot tall panoramic at the Mehmke Museum, near Great Falls, Montana. The picture was taken at Pownall, Montana with Round Butte and Square Butte east in the background. At left is a 30-60 Pioneer seeding; a horse and wagon, a Big Four 30-60 pulling a horde of harrows. Next is a an old truck equipped with a fuel tank and a man on horseback. Next is a 40 hp Geiser-Peerless Z-3 steam engine, a touring car of some make, likely a Dodge Brothers. Next is a 40 hp Reeves steam engine and at far right is a 40-65 Reeves gas tractor. This was Len Chapin's outfit and notice the tractors all have a US flag flying, as this was taken during WWI, in November 1917. The real panoramic is extremely impressive. These are the Pioneer and Big Four tractors, cropped. And I'm not trying to "out do" anyone, but I ran across this photo I took of my friend Mark Pedersen's 60-90 Twin City gas tractor in one of the daily parades at the 2005 Rollag, Minnesota Show. It's a pretty good sized chunk of iron too. They have one impressive lineup of old gas tractors there. But they also do at Forest City, Iowa. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Here is an ad for a Twin City " 30 " When this ad was published in 1913 Minneapolis Steel and Machinery was producing only 2 sizes of tractors "25" and "40" When did they start to manufacture the 60-90 ??? Gary , That panoramic photo is outstanding Ralph I love that case ad ,Farmers in the market for a new tractor must have given the statement "$30 in 11 years" for repairs some serious thought . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 And here is one for The Big Four "30" I apologize for the poor quality of the photo this particular book the ads are in is very frail and I cannot fool with it to much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Here is an ad for a Twin City " 30 " When this ad was published in 1913 Minneapolis Steel and Machinery was producing only 2 sizes of tractors "25" and "40" When did they start to manufacture the 60-90 ??? Gary , That panoramic photo is outstanding Ralph I love that case ad ,Farmers in the market for a new tractor must have given the statement "$30 in 11 years" for repairs some serious thought . Those are some impressive numbers on that Twin City as well. 1500 acres plowed and planted with 12 feet. Must have been a long spring to get over that many acres with 12 feet. Twin City eventually became part of the Minneapolis Moline company producing these nice yellow machines. As seen in this 1951 ad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Kevin, I don't know which years the 60-90 Twin City were built. There's one in Canada and one in Minnesota, as far as I know? Mark called here recently and I missed his call. The next time he calls, I'll ask about that. More on the Big Four tractor. Before Big Four was purchased by Emerson-Brantingham (I'm assuming in January 1912?) it was the Gas Traction Company. This is an early one. This is one of their ads with the newer round top gas tank atop the radiator of the Big 4. This is one of their ads after Emerson-Brantingham bought them out. This is a Big Four tractor I scanned from an ancient text book I have. This photo circulated decades ago. It was a 6-cylinder (Big Four 6, as Big Four got its name from its original four cylinders [instead of two]!). I believe it was Mark's uncle who eventually bought this engine, or what remained of it, at Plentywood, Montana. It has been restored and I believe it is the only remaining, running Big Four 6? Now.... I don't know what it would take to drag Roger Byrne into this scene here, as he is helping a massive crew there in Minnesota, as they are building four of the Big Four tractors. I'm not $ure who is behind the project, but they found what they could and built and cast the rest, where they will have four "brand new" Big Four tractors when they are back together. I pasted a link below that shows page after page of the restoration/rebuild/refurbish. Anyway, there are going to be four like new Big Four 30 tractors again! Gary http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81774 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Kevin, I don't know which years the 60-90 Twin City were built. There's one in Canada and one in Minnesota, as far as I know? Mark called here recently and I missed his call. The next time he calls, I'll ask about that. I pasted a link below that shows page after page of the restoration/rebuild/refurbish. Anyway, there are going to be four like new Big Four 30 tractors again! Gary Gary, I think we have one of those Twin City tractors at the Yorkton museum here in SAsk. I have a picture of one from a few years back taken there , if I can find it. Your link to Smokstak worked but it will not let me open up the pictures unless I log in. Unfortunately I have lost my user name/password for that site . Guess I need to fix that. Here is another MM ad from 1950 showing a tractor plowing a hillside. The driver is even wearing one of those nice yellow MM sun hats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 The hat must be for protection from those "Ocean Eagles" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bud guy Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Ralph, On a cold day in the field, I loved our MacDonald cab on our WD-9. And the pencil drawing of my friend Don Greytak's is also on the wall of our kitchen. I recreated that exact photo in reality on the farm, with our and Roger Long's fence, with Dad's #5 IHC Rod Weeders. Gary Gary, I had forgotten that you had the Macdonald cab on your WD9. That is another excellent drawing by Don Greytak too . I never get tired of seeing them. I have an ad here for another big tractor in 1951. I'd guess this Case LA would be in the same class as the W9 IHC. This one is pulling a disk followed up by a press drill. Looks like a 20 run drill so probably a ten footer. Nice ad. I always wondered how the LA compared to a W9 because we farmed with a W9 back in the day. I looked both tractors up in the Neb tests. Looks like the LA had 55 drawbar hp and the W9 only 44 hp. Both on gas. The WD9 had 46 drawbar hp. Thing is the LA wasn't tested until 1952 after they bumped the rpms up 50 so I am assuming it might have had a lower hp rating although probably not very much. Looks like the LA was a beast in its day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George 2 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Except in plowing. The LA had only 30 inch rear tires and the WD9 had up to 15-34 tires on the ricefield model. The LA as described in this area was the supreme thresherman's tractor. Lots of smooth power on the drawbar but a bit short on traction and clearance underneath it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I don't know much about how it performed but my Uncle Sandy had an LA back about 1950. He had a set of steel wheels for it and got lot of work breaking bush land pulling a big old breaking plow. Picture of the LA here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 More on the LA Case, it was rated as a 4-5 plow tractor in the advertisements. Also described as "thrifty" although I would bet it burned a fair bit of gas. Maybe the acres per gallon told the true story though. George, you are probably right in that the LA should have had 34 inch tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 ralph, I didn't have much to post tonight here, so here's a catalog cover for a Port Huron tandem compound "Longfellow" steam engine. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 ralph, I didn't have much to post tonight here, so here's a catalog cover for a Port Huron tandem compound "Longfellow" steam engine. Gary That is a fine quality ad for the Port Huron steamer Gary. Some of my ads are pretty poor condition but I try to save the ones that are not too bad. Like this 1931 Ford truck ad. I have never seen that unusual rear spring arrangement before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 To go along with Gary's picture of a Port Huron steamer Here is the gas version ,Not sure of the year ,But was rated 12=25 hp That seat looks quite comfy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon W. Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Here is a cool ad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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