Old Binder Guy Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Here is an O-12 , I didn't know they came standard with a 10 mph road gear Surely they would lock out the road gear on the steel wheeled tractors. I'd think it would shake itself to pieces on a road at that speed. Here is another late thirties ad containing both crawlers and a wheel tractor. The TD 35 and 40 along with the W30 tractor. The factory steel M's and H's had a lockout installed at factory. Chub, I wasn't sure about the old tractors like the 0-12, but the steel wheel tractors couldn't take high speeds. I bought an old Farmall M (a rolling IH museum with that old hand dump IH loader) that had cutdown steel wheels with tire rims welded on, seen in the background of this picture from 1970. (It makes me feel old when my son [Farmall Kid] is going to be 49 and daughter will be 47) When I got it, I tried to put it in road gear, but it wouldn't go. I asked the dealer I bought it from and he told me there was a bolt with a locknut on the transmission plate, near where the belt pulley would go. I loosened the locknut, backed the bolt out and retightened the nut. Then the shift rail could go forward into road gear! Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Well I seem to have come up with one more old McCormick crawler ad. Probably about a 1938. It shows a TD35 in the centre. Up top is a W30 pulling what we always called a "tiller" but known to many as a one way disk. Wish seeding attachment and a packer behind. Down at the bottom of the page is the big WD40 pulling two 21 foot disks. Sounds like it would be a big load to pull but I don't think those old light duty disks cut very deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Well I seem to have come up with one more old McCormick crawler ad. Probably about a 1938. It shows a TD35 in the centre. Up top is a W30 pulling what we always called a "tiller" but known to many as a one way disk. Wish seeding attachment and a packer behind. Down at the bottom of the page is the big WD40 pulling two 21 foot disks. Sounds like it would be a big load to pull but I don't think those old light duty disks cut very deep. Ralph, I am not familiar with those disks in the picture below being pulled by the WD-40 tractor, but I do know with basically a TD-14 crawler engine in them, they'd outpull a WD-9, even if they slipped more than the WD-9? I've never ran a WD-40, but I know from the TD-40, those old girls have a lot of power up their sleeves! Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Diesel Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 They mention the big stubble left behind to control blowing soil, presume that speaks to the dust bowl era? Had to be a pretty stiff load to drag around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabatire Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 We had a 16' single gang disc like that, and with the gangs set at maximum angle it would sure give the model R John Deere something to pay attention to if the ground was soft. It was used primarily to control weeds on summer fallow. However, the soil we farmed (my brother still farms it) is a clay loom and is quite heavy, so dad eventually pensioned the disc off in favour of a vibrashank/duckfoot cultivator. The disc was prone to ridging, much like the surflex style tillers, and also like the surflex, it seemed enjoy wandering around behind the tractor like it was looking for something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 They mention the big stubble left behind to control blowing soil, presume that speaks to the dust bowl era? Had to be a pretty stiff load to drag around. I would say that the disk type implements were the worst choice if you wanted to leave much stubble standing. Maybe better than a plow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 We had a 16' single gang disc like that, and with the gangs set at maximum angle it would sure give the model R John Deere something to pay attention to if the ground was soft. It was used primarily to control weeds on summer fallow. However, the soil we farmed (my brother still farms it) is a clay loom and is quite heavy, so dad eventually pensioned the disc off in favour of a vibrashank/duckfoot cultivator. The disc was prone to ridging, much like the surflex style tillers, and also like the surflex, it seemed enjoy wandering around behind the tractor like it was looking for something. My dad bought a Bissel disk back about 1950. I have already posted an ad somewhere back in this thread. It was sold by John Deere and I think was a 20 foot. He pulled it with either a John Deere D or DC4 Case I believe. It was wide compared to most implements of the time so he could get the summerfallow done faster. But it was light and would roll over the heavy weed patches. Last I saw it had an old engine block attached to the frame for extra weight. These CI one way diskers were a much better choice by the 1980s. Heavy enough to cut off the weeds without running sideways, plus an excellent seeding attachment to plant your crops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Love those color ads , I don't care if it's green or not I wanna hook it up and drag it around What make tractor is that ?? Euclid thanks loadstar Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Love those color ads , I don't care if it's green or not I wanna hook it up and drag it around What make tractor is that ?? Euclid thanks loadstar Kevin Mine are actually red (Massey) but I hear Co-op Implements made a good disker too. That is what the tractor is that is pulling the diskers in the previous ad. Actually a Deutz, I guess they are somewhere under the Agco umbrella now. Air cooled engines on those tractors had a good reputation and very easy on fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 And here is the Deutz tractor from a few years earlier (1977) in their more traditional red paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 As long as the deutz diesels were kept clean (air cooled ) the ones i have encountered always did their job without too much fuss , The cylinders were all serviceable separately , Worked on a 8 cylinder in a Liebherr excavator that had 15k hrs was never overhauled , leaked oil and coated up the cooling fins and cooked a piston, so we put a new piston,rings, jug on her and away she went ,I think about 7-8 years later the owner finally upgraded the machine, Kevin Oh yeah the cab was heated with an engine oil heater core and it sprung a leak once , what a mess , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Oh yeah the cab was heated with an engine oil heater core and it sprung a leak once , what a mess , True, there would not be any hot anti freeze to circulate through a heater core so oil would be the next best option. You would not expect the heater core to spring a leak though. Here is a 1966 ad for the sprayer sold by the National Grain Company. Looks like maybe a Farmall A pulling the sprayer. My best guess anyway. Figured a Cub would be pretty small for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
664 CDN Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Ralph, that could be an Allis Chalmers , maybe an Allis B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 The heater core rotted from the outside , the machine spent some time loading road salt Yes sir looks like an A Found a couple of McCormick ads that at least have a splash of color Never understood why they went from the easiest to work on like these Then the later TracTractor design that everybody just loves to replace ps I wont even mention the legs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Here is a couple pages showing them doing what they do best !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 And a page of the different wheels available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 And some more wheel options, Does anybody have a tractor with the " Texas Spud Lug " wheels on it ??? ( illust 57 ) ps I'm going to stick to posting the pages one at a time ,kinda hard to make out the details otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Kevin, you have posted some real quality vintage ads here. Ray, that tractor in the National sprayer ad I posted might just be an AC model B but I can't be sure. I have an ad here from 1952 featuring an AC model CA tractor with mower. I've never used a mid mount mower like that one but I think it would be a pretty slick outfit to cut grass with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevingweq Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Everytime time I see a tractor with the side mount sickle cutter I have to laugh, My buddy drives one for the town department and they send him out to take care of the roadsides , he is always moving right along flicking the cutter up to miss trees and signs etc, Well he's cutting some heavy grass one day and see's something running so he hit's the up lever and shoots a big old skunk right into his lap !! Never laughed so hard when he told me , he smelled so bad he had to shower in the break room, and throw his clothes out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred B Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 i'm going to vote on that tractor with the sprayer to be a AC "C" with opt wide adjst. front axle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred B Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 i have a early farmall regular with those open wheels, but they have the angle lugs . i believe not all the wheel options are shown. i'm in south texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Wow.... Ralph, you've had some home runs thrown here! Kevin your ads have been spectacular to an old IH buff like me. FSB, I agree, they haven't listed ALL options there. My F-12 has the "meadow lugs" I finally found in my F-12/F14 combination parts book. Kevin, You must have one fine library? I'm impressed! Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Wow.... Ralph, you've had some home runs thrown here! Kevin your ads have been spectacular to an old IH buff like me. FSB, I agree, they haven't listed ALL options there. My F-12 has the "meadow lugs" I finally found in my F-12/F14 combination parts book. Kevin, You must have one fine library? I'm impressed! Gary F-12 & mower.JPG Gary, the Mccormick 15-30 I have here has extensions on the rims to put on an extra row of "spade lugs". Seems to me they might have come out from the factory with the angle bars but later on people figured the spade lugs gave better traction. This picture has a good view of the lugs but it is not my 15-30. Actually I think it might be an Allis Chalmers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loadstar Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 While I am here I might just throw in another vintage ad. This one from 1977 for the TD bank. The banks liked to advertise in farm magazines in those days. Everybody is happy in the picture. The farmer, the banker, and the IH tractor dealer. Hope the farmer got a fixed loan rate on that new 1466. In a few years interest rates shot up to over 20%. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
664 CDN Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Gary, the Mccormick 15-30 I have here has extensions on the rims to put on an extra row of "spade lugs". Seems to me they might have come out from the factory with the angle bars but later on people figured the spade lugs gave better traction. This picture has a good view of the lugs but it is not my 15-30. Actually I think it might be an Allis Chalmers. That ground must be real soft, never seen a springtooth work that deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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