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10 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

Hey ya'll--------it's ol' DD slipping in the back door this morning on my old cell phone.

Hoping to get the new phone reloaded at AT&T this week. Have not been able to sign in to RedPower much lately between new cell phone and a week stay in hospital.

Have been monitoring the Blue Smoke clouds floating out of Montana------sure is frustrating when reading the smoke signals and not being able to reply!!!!:wacko:

 

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I do recieve Text messages on the cell/office number listed above.

 

DD

If there is a will there is a way!!

Glad you are back!!

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I don't know one darn thing. But I "figgered" I'd better be posting something or Admin might throw this whole thread in the garbage dumpster. 

This first photo is of the (Fort) Benton to Helena stagecoach at the Sun River crossing station in 1885. Those old mud wagon stage coaches really got loaded down with people! I'm betting that with all of the bystanders on the boardwalk, they must sell some sort of liquid refreshments inside?

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A JI Case center crank steam engine turns an elderly hand feed, slat stacker threshing machine. The wooden barrels held water so the engine could drink!

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I have no idea where this is, or when it is, but it is a "cordwood" firebox boiler for the Queen River steamboat. The lengthened firebox allows for feeding long cordwood. Anson was used to staring at that end of horses down there on the Delta Dirt, I'll bet? Or he knew those who did!

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Now, the English had a pretty decent idea for a gravel truck here, it would seem? That would be a neat truck to own today!

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A big 32 hp American-Abell cross compound steam engine is freighting a Marion steam shovel to a job in Canada.

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This 32 hp Reeves cross compound Canadian Special engine is pulling a horde of binders in a Canadian grain field. You old farmers amongst us who have operated binders, and you younger types who have had a square hay baler that the knotter didn't tie right, can't you just see this procession stopped for that one binder that the darn knotter isn't tying?

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A Type A IHC gas engine is hitched to a plow in England.

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This has to be a type C, but could be a Type B IHC Mogul tractor pulling quite a few disks plowing. I think these curious farmers are wanting to see just how much it could pull, reasonably? Disk plows do pull easier than moldboard plows.


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I'm pretty sure this Avery gas tractor is a 25-50? I imagine that threshing machine was an Avery Yellow Fellow? I don't know.

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I have no idea where the Tumalo Dam is. I'll bet someone here does? A steam shovel is loading a horse pulled belly dump wagon.

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In a secret garage in Fargo, North Dakota, young engineer Paul Nystuen with veteran builders Jerry Joubert & Al Lieberg built the first IH 4366 tractor.

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And several years later a lowboy truck hauled this 4568 IH out of North Dakota. It became an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm that Farmall Kid is posing on. Gary😁

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Tumalo is in the dry side of Oregon. It appears it has a checkered past of swindlers,  and poor engineers. No real good history, but I have link anyway.  Now with a little luck if you click on the 1913- 1914 Tumalo project you get the outline of  history.  Then click  numbers in margin to see pictures. Number 49 is the one in Gary's post.        

 

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Gary, I’ll bet that was a real BIG tractor back in its day!  I’ll bet it a big step up from the tractors you used before that.

I found pictures of a truck that may be of interest to those here. It’s a 1918 Garford. I swiped some pics from the interwebs:

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It’s at a museum that is being auctioned off in Eureka, MT in a couple weeks. I have no interest in it but thought someone might know something about this brand?

I have my eye on a McCormick W-4 that I may add to my collection.  Maybe…

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MT Matt, I have only heard of Garford trucks. I seem to remember the company continued to furnish some component for trucks when I was an IH partsman. I don't remember just what anymore. I can't remember if I'm on my first cup of coffee, or whether I'm on my second cup now?!! They were one of the many companies that built trucks for the US Army in WWI, I'm sure? Roger Byrne would sure know more about this subject than I'm muddling through!

The 4568 was the largest rubber tire tractor IH was building then.

I hope you luck out and get the W-4 McCormick Standard for your collection! And at a good price too??!!! We need another IH Tractor on a Montana Farm! Gary😁

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Sledgehammer, 

Todd, I was at the same junk shop as the last one. I bought another Coleman one burner stove, but this one isn't old. It's new. It has been lit, but it never has been hot like it would be cooking. It had the box and a plastic Coleman funnel. It is a "Dual Fuel" or I'd have likely passed it up for the $10 I spent on it. Gary😉

PS: I don't even know what "Dual Fuel" means? I know it will burn Coleman stove and lantern fuel, because there was a can with it, that I didn't buy.

PPS: I bought that plastic swan soap holder for the shop. It is at the mop sink with Lava soap in it!

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Perusin' around the internet and found this pic l think is kind of interesting. A Cat dealer at Colfax, Washington in 1941. l'm not real familiar with the older Cats but the smaller one has "twenty eight" on the radiator and the bigger says "diesel forty". l've never seen a model twenty eight before. According to the pic, they must have been a dealer for several makes of cars and trucks too. There's a sign for Plymouth on the left side and a sign for Desoto right above the big cat. Also a sign for U.S. Tires. And if you look real close you'll see a GMC truck poster on the inside wall. And if you look extra close right below that you'll see the parts man (maybe salesman) behind the counter.

 

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On 9/2/2022 at 12:44 PM, Old Binder Guy said:

Sledgehammer, 

Todd, I was at the same junk shop as the last one. I bought another Coleman one burner stove, but this one isn't old. It's new. It has been lit, but it never has been hot like it would be cooking. It had the box and a plastic Coleman funnel. It is a "Dual Fuel" or I'd have likely passed it up for the $10 I spent on it. Gary😉

PS: I don't even know what "Dual Fuel" means? I know it will burn Coleman stove and lantern fuel, because there was a can with it, that I didn't buy.

PPS: I bought that plastic swan soap holder for the shop. It is at the mop sink with Lava soap in it!

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Gary, You have the market cornered or at least have a great market. The “dual fuel” from what I’ve seen means the white gas Coleman fuel or kerosene. The kerosene required a different generator be installed on one I saw. If you decide you want rid of any of these stoves I’d say you could double your money and send them on a trip to Illinois pretty easy 😊. Good work!  
 

 

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On another note....  Does anyone have experience fixing on old wood stoves?  My Father, Brother, and I recently purchased a farm that has a nice older home on it. In the home was this Charter Oak brand wood stove. The family said it has a bad “fire box” and should not be used. I took some pictures and thought I might research the issue some. It has some of what seem to be cast plates that are fastened inside and one looks to be melted?  I think the stove maker is well thought of based on what I can see and have have been contemplating trying to fix it if I can find a proper way to do so. I know this group has some good talent for renovating older things. Any ideas or opinions?  

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There are a variety of castable boiler refractories that might work fine there for a long time 🤔

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3 hours ago, hardtail said:

There are a variety of castable boiler refractories that might work fine there for a long time 🤔

I wondered that. I have used refractory cement when I built my forge. It transfers heat badly and I was wondering if I would get the outside too warm?  But.... I have to think that a wood stove won’t be getting to 2000° or more inside either. The refractory cement I have for forging is good to 3000°

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Hammer----

I don't know a damm thing 'bout wood stoves-----but have thought alot about insulating my smoker grill by inserting a heavy wall pipe inside the tank shell and then filing the vacant space with sand????  (purely for insulation purposes when cooking outside on cold windy days)  I want to keep the heat inside-----for slowwwwww cooking.

You shouldn't need the insulation???-----you actually want the heat to radiate out through the walls.  Problem as is-----would be Smoke leakage??.?.

What would be wrong with lining the interior of the stove with some 3/8 or 1/2" plate?????   I have seen fireplaces with the heavy plate  before.

I wouldn't even frown on installing a small L-P heater inside your heater-------until Little Man gets big enuff to chop wood!!!!

Congratulations on the new farm.

Really like the wood stove----that's classic.

 

DD

 

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There are places that sell replacement parts be it brand specific or universal. I would call a well know dealer of fireplaces and stoves. They should either have advice on parts or put you in contact with those who do.

Did this investigating parts for my fireplace last winter tho I have yet to act. I'm afraid a full replacement might be needed. Need to get on it before much longer. Would really like a wood furnace tied into cold air return of our main furnace to better heat the whole house should the need arise. And it's looking like it might...

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1 hour ago, Delta Dirt said:

Re: wood stove

What is refractory cement---new terminoligy to me??

 

DD

Furnace cement? Can find it in hardware stores I believe Anson. Or similar anyway.

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3 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

Re: wood stove

What is refractory cement---new terminoligy to me??

 

DD

It’s a cement meant for high heat. It won’t crack or pop when heat cycled like normal cement.  It’s also pretty tough stuff wear wise from my experience. Once you mix it and let it set up, you have to heat cycle it a few times to cure it properly. 

1 hour ago, iowaboy1965 said:

Furnace cement? Can find it in hardware stores I believe Anson. Or similar anyway.

I ordered mine from a blacksmithing supplier but it’s possible that you could find some in stores I suppose. I wish I could find it locally. Shipping is a killer on that stuff. 

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Todd, This is a picture of a Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound Immigrant train boxcar arriving somewhere in Montana in 1913. The one at right is a Chicago, Milwaukee & St. Paul boxcar.

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I'm just putting these pictures on here because I can. This is the Round Oak stove my wife's grandpa Jefferson Davis Simpson hauled from the east to Moore, Montana on a Milwaukee RR "immigrant train" in 1917.

When I started dating Sharon in 1958, I first saw this stove in her dad's garage/shop for heat. He had the coal scuttle and shovel there and had coal in the scuttle. He later moved to Hobson, before he died (died, **** he blew his head off with a 12 gauge). When we went for burial and clean up, I loaded the stove and scuttle from that garage into his pickup and hauled it to Whitefish when we lived there. When I retired from Whitefish Schools as head of maintenance and we moved to Helena, the stove got stored with mike's stuff. He used it in his shop when he lived in town. Then when everything moved to Silver Creek, it was in that shop stored. After their new home was built, he took the original nickeled pieces off and shipped them away for re-nickeling. A new coat of stove black was applied too. It is now in their basement. It has a quality high heat chimney pipe installed, so it could be used if the power were off to keep things from freezing in the basement. This is the black stove in the shop.

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This is it in their basement with the nickel showing.

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This is the completed stove area in their basement including the .36 caliber Tennessee squirrel gun.

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The only thing Mike's stove is lacking is one of these Round Oak crown pieces.

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This is a Round Oak stove with it having the crown piece installed. 

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The only reason I've posted this Sledgehammer, is because of only one little similarity, the word "OAK"! Gary😁

PS: I hope all y'all are having a nice Labor Day holiday.

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We wanted to fire up steam engines this past Saturday, but Montana is one dried out tinder patch. Mike and Pam invited out friends for what was going to be the steam up, but wisely ended up being a Model T, Model TT, McCormick-Deering IHC Farmall F-12 IH Tractor on a Montana Farm driving day.

I was driving the 1926 Model T Coupe hauling Patsy, the mother in-law of Cliff, shown driving the F-12.

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Mike was driving the 1925 Model TT truck hauling Patsy.

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Mike was training Karen, Patsy's daughter and Cliff's wife on the "safe operation" of the IHC Farmall F-12.

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I think Karen was enjoying driving the Farmall F-12, judging by this smile?

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Back to Patsy... She IS A granddaughter of outlaw, Jesse James. Karen, Cliff and Mike, just moved Patsy to Helena from Oklahoma so they can be together. Mike and Cliff drove the U-Haul truck back after flying there. Karen flew to Helena with her mother. 

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We didn't lack food to eat later either. Karen and Patsy brought deserts, pasta, etc. I had Patsy's Peach cobbler with vanilla ice cream. A great time was had by all! Gary😁

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PS: The cameraman never gets in the photos. So I am putting this selfie of me on behind the wheel of the Model T Coupe, from my August files.

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I don't know 'bout this Guy we call "Professor"------ Roger???

Just as I am about to give up hope on Gary and all of his clowning around--------here he comes with a completely first class  post including classy names, pictures and people.

Starting with the classic and shiny wood stove that was passed down from Jefferson Davis Simpson.  I didn't know wood stoves could be that shiny and ornate.  You've got your work cut out for you Hammer if you are gonna give Mike (aka:  Kid Colonel) a race with your stove!!!!!

Then------I don't know if he wuz trying to show off the F-12 and Model T's, or maybe all of that fresh smelling Montana fresh air-----but everybody sure looks relaxed and comfortable while soaking that Montana air up.

Not to mention Jesse James' granddaughter (Patsy's) homemade ice cream.

 Catches my attention all the way around!!!!:rolleyes:  (southern at heart)

Anyway Professor-----tell Patsy to bring some of that homemade ice cream down to the Delta and I will show her around James Crossing, Mississippi (both clods of dirt) and introduce her to some decendents of Jesse and Quantrill's old running buddies.

I wuz fortunate enough to have one of my good friend's daughter attend me for the past week or so while in the physical therapy unit at Lake Village, Arkansas.  Her dad's great grandfather rode along with Frank and Jesse, and Quantrille's Raiders back in the day.

Any friend of Quantrille and the James boys is always a friend of mine.

These boys migrated later in time to Mississippi from Adair, Iowa.  (uhhhh-----funny, but Jesse's first train robbery took place near Adair, Iowa?????)

Rob and his brother don't wear masks anymore--------but the pretty little daughter does.  Needless to say----she explains the mask away as a COVID thing!!!!!:ph34r::D

Patsy will also want to check in with the famous horse Wrangler.  Wrangler sez that his great grampa Lightning was one of Jesse's favorite steeds.

 

DD

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Anson, It's interesting about all you know of Patsy's relatives! She wasn't wearing a mask Saturday.

Now I've explained much of this in the past, but who wants to go back and try to find it in this mess known as IH Tractors On A Montana Farm? I sure don't. So I'll explain it again for the youngsters who stop off her occasionally.

This is Jefferson Davis Simpson, my wife's grandfather. 

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Now ol' Jeff had the same type of fetish as Roger Byrne has. He liked Rumely Oilpull tractors, this one is a 16-30 H that cost $2,400 new. This was at his Moore, Montana farm in 1917.

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Jefferson Davis Simpson, on his 25-45 Type R Oilpull pulling a Holt Combine near Moore, Montana.

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This was Jeff and his REO Touring Car out checking his wheat crop with his cousin and sons. I can't remember if Sharon's dad, Lynn, is on the running board or at right?

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After all, the railroads indicated this is how tall the crops grew. (this year anyway) Railroads promoted easterners to head west in their immigrant trains, buy or homestead a farm, raise tall grain and they'd haul the grain crops to market for them. Anson loves this painting of the Milwaukee Railroad's. Jeff never saw any gold coins being plowed up and neither did I. He and I both walked away from our farms. That horse, that may be a cousin of Wranglers, just about stepped on Moore and Lewistown too.

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Anson you darkened the Jefferson Davis Simpson in your post. So I did too. Jeff Simpson was a first cousin of "Nawthenah" Ulysses Simpson Grant. Jeff was young when Ulysses was old. This was Ulysses Simpson Grant when he was the 18th President of the United States. He still gets a lot of bad press about his love of spirits, but I do smile every time I get a crisp $50 bill, seeing him and knowing MY face will NEVER be on them.

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Now Anson, you darkened the Jefferson Davis part of Simpson. Jefferson Davis Simpson and Ulysses Simpson Grant were BOTH, Second cousins of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy. Gary🙂

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Interesting how all these family trees seem to intertwine. I don’t know that I’m related to any famous generals/presidents from the North or South.  I had family that fought for the North in various locations. I doubt they wanted to see The James boys or any of the other Raiders. I did own a Winchester rifle once that was supposedly owned by Frank James. Once his outlaw days were over he was known to announce harness horse races in this area and others. There was no provenance that it was ever his but the story fit and was possible going off of when it was built and when he lived. Probably just more Blue Smoke as Anson would say 😊.  I doubt my stove will end up as pretty as the one Mike has. That project will be on the “back burner” for a while. (Pun intended). I know it won’t be nearly as pretty as Gary’s new Coleman single burner... 

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Found this pic the other day while l was looking for something else totally different online. Says it was a Holt tractor and a Adams grader blade doing street maintenance in Slaton, Texas in 1923. Slaton is about 15 miles southeast of Lubbock. At one time the biggest locomotive repair shop, both steam and later diesel, for Santa Fe RR was located there.

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38 minutes ago, twostepn2001 said:

Found this pic the other day while l was looking for something else totally different online. Says it was a Holt tractor and a Adams grader blade doing street maintenance in Slaton, Texas in 1923. Slaton is about 15 miles southeast of Lubbock. At one time the biggest locomotive repair shop, both steam and later diesel, for Santa Fe RR was located there.

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Ah, twostepn2001, that is a Ten Ton Holt! notice its split and hinged track roller frame! That's a great photograph! I love that ca. 1917 Model T Ford Coupe in the background too. Gary😁

 

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