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..In respect of ''reins''   and crawler tractors....A family by the name of "Green '  owned a lot of steep hilly country in the area in which I grew up..

Ern Green  had an Oliver OC3   with very wide gauge track tracks...and he used the 'reins' to control this machine whilst light discing and the subsequent ''harrowing in ''   the new seed ...simply because the country he was working, whilst 'clean'  was just so steep.....the rational being ...if the thing tipped over , he (Ern )  wouldn't be underneath it...

Made sense...I guess...but the issue as I saw it with the Olivers, was  that they were so wide in the gauge..you would really have had to work at it..to turn one over....!!!....a plus was that constant variable speed drive , to the finals, as it ''crabbed '' around the hill sides

There were many, many good blokes that died down under, breaking in hill country,...the little four roller track frames on the D2 /TD6   type tractors , took a big toll on rookie  operators....turning down hill was to flirt with death...Eventually the Cat D6 9U   and the wide gauge TD14  were supreme, in those halcyon  days of land development in NZ

Mike

....best I can come up with is TD14    on an F1800....from an era  before the ''troffic   craps'' started the portable weighing scale 's......

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2 hours ago, mike newman said:

..In respect of ''reins''   and crawler tractors....A family by the name of "Green '  owned a lot of steep hilly country in the area in which I grew up..

Ern Green  had an Oliver OC3   with very wide gauge track tracks...and he used the 'reins' to control this machine whilst light discing and the subsequent ''harrowing in ''   the new seed ...simply because the country he was working, whilst 'clean'  was just so steep.....the rational being ...if the thing tipped over , he (Ern )  wouldn't be underneath it...

Made sense...I guess...but the issue as I saw it with the Olivers, was  that they were so wide in the gauge..you would really have had to work at it..to turn one over....!!!....a plus was that constant variable speed drive , to the finals, as it ''crabbed '' around the hill sides

There were many, many good blokes that died down under, breaking in hill country,...the little four roller track frames on the D2 /TD6   type tractors , took a big toll on rookie  operators....turning down hill was to flirt with death...Eventually the Cat D6 9U   and the wide gauge TD14  were supreme, in those halcyon  days of land development in NZ

Mike

....best I can come up with is TD14    on an F1800....from an era  before the ''troffic   craps'' started the portable weighing scale 's......

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Great Photo Mike 

Some of those Oliver/Cletrac crawlers were real wide 

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...something that might interest  Gary..!!!

..a not so old   (then )  LF195  with an old steam engine, plucked out of the West Coast  bush......possibly from one of the dozens of sawmills   which preceeded the land clearing ....starting pre 1900..

Mike

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20 minutes ago, Eric V Bielke said:

Some pics for OBG----taken at the local car show

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It almost looks like the dealer took an old wagon box and widened it a bit for the bed. Pretty darn neat, whatever they did. Those old guys sure knew how to make something from nothing!

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This 1931 Pontiac is a true time capsule----the person in the pic is the 2nd owner.

  A history of the car---the original owner purchased it new in 1931, he drove it back and forth to work every day--a 30 mile trip.   In 1970 he parked it in his barn and bought a new 1970 Plymouth.  The new owner purchased it in 1975 for $200, he parked in his barn.  In the early 80's his wife said do something with old truck or sell it. He put it on the road in 1985.

He removed the spark plugs [check the condition of the plugs-- they were in it when he bought it] poured some AFT in the cylinders and used the hand crank to turn it over--every thing seem to be loose so he cleaned up the points and the carb hooked up a small gas tank, put in a battery and with a few turns over it started.

The only thing he has done to the car is replace the tires[Coker] --the spark plug wires---the brakes needed to be relined --He found a local old time auto shop that still had a roll of the original material to repair the brake shoes, the brake operating system is all rods and levers.

The only things missing from the day it was sold is a metal cap that goes over the voltage cut out on the generator and a piece broken off the rad cap. 

Word got out in the Pontiac club and people come from all over and spend hours taken pictures.

These two vehicles are the reason I go  to car shows.

In the last pic notice that there is a gap between the cowl and the glass, that because the wind shield glass rolls up for ventilation !!!

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Mike Newman, I'm very concerned that Anson may try some crazy stunt now that you've suggested a TD-14 in the hills. He has this 1943 model TD-14.

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And since he has Wrangler, I'm afraid he might use his reins to steer that TD-14 while making hills in that Delta Dirt.

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I'm sure he's sick and tired of looking for miles of flat land, wishing it had hills? I'm sure he's been too frightened to make hills, but now with rein steering, it is quite safe. Well, it's too late now, because of the internet, it's "out there!"  Gary😲

 

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Based on my past experience of tugging on the TD-14 "sturring" clutches-----you might need some pretty strong reins to tug on the TD-14 clutches.

Question:   Did the TD-18 have any kind of power assistance???

 

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Sorry to have missed class for the last couple of weeks or so.  Me and the missus celebrated our 58th wedding anniversary and she had me locked up for a few days.

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Helluva place to celebrate anything.

 

DD

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19 minutes ago, Delta Dirt said:

Based on my past experience of tugging on the TD-14 "sturring" clutches-----you might need some pretty strong reins to tug on the TD-14 clutches.

Question:   Did the TD-18 have any kind of power assistance???

 

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Sorry to have missed class for the last couple of weeks or so.  Me and the missus celebrated our 58th wedding anniversary and she had me locked up for a few days.

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Helluva place to celebrate anything.

 

DD

Hope you two get a chance to celebrate a few more. My best to your health!

Mike

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3 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

Based on my past experience of tugging on the TD-14 "sturring" clutches-----you might need some pretty strong reins to tug on the TD-14 clutches.

Question:   Did the TD-18 have any kind of power assistance???

 

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Sorry to have missed class for the last couple of weeks or so.  Me and the missus celebrated our 58th wedding anniversary and she had me locked up for a few days.

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Helluva place to celebrate anything.

 

DD

Well Anson, I certainly hope they let you get away with some Blue Smoke while you were locked up? Hopefully you are on the mend and back home now?  Wishing you the best my friend. 

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TD18-181 series has hydraulic boosters to aid in steering @Pukeko has a very late TD18A that may have them also

Hope things are on the mend Anson, Wrangler and your beautiful bride want you back home

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Anson . . . get well ! !   How in heII am I supposed to keep Gary in line without your help?  Hang in there my friend, I'm pulling for you.

 

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15 minutes ago, Roger Byrne said:

  How in heII am I supposed to keep Gary in line without your help?  Hang in there my friend, I'm pulling for you.

 

 

You boys don't worry 'bout me--------Roger is the one with the problem!!!!!🤣

 

I am back home-----but not moving very fast.   'Course, I ain't never been no race horse.🥺

 

DD

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8 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

Based on my past experience of tugging on the TD-14 "sturring" clutches-----you might need some pretty strong reins to tug on the TD-14 clutches.

Question:   Did the TD-18 have any kind of power assistance???

 

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Sorry to have missed class for the last couple of weeks or so.  Me and the missus celebrated our 58th wedding anniversary and she had me locked up for a few days.

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Helluva place to celebrate anything.

 

DD

Good looking couple.  Glad your home and still with us Anson!

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Hope your feeling well, moving slow most of us can relate to.

 

The first model of Cat RD 6,7, and 8 where very hard pulling, so after market companies made spring loaded kits that helped a lot. I believe I have seen the same basic thing on early TD 14 and 18. 

The Cat D6 that was the new model in 41 had a hydraulic booster system on the steering. Don't know when the other model changes came and when steering was updated.

 

IH was always trying to keep up with Cat or get ahead of them so they would of been right after WW2 if not earlier. I know the 141 series TD 14 had a hydraulic booster, or was a spring system, anyway some helper to make it easier.

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6 minutes ago, ray54 said:

Hope your feeling well, moving slow most of us can relate to.

 

The first model of Cat RD 6,7, and 8 where very hard pulling, so after market companies made spring loaded kits that helped a lot. I believe I have seen the same basic thing on early TD 14 and 18. 

The Cat D6 that was the new model in 41 had a hydraulic booster system on the steering. Don't know when the other model changes came and when steering was updated.

 

IH was always trying to keep up with Cat or get ahead of them so they would of been right after WW2 if not earlier. I know the 141 series TD 14 had a hydraulic booster, or was a spring system, anyway some helper to make it easier.

I found a helper spring system on one of the old 14 parts tractors I acquired along the way----‐saved it but never installed it.  I don't think I have ever run an 18----the reins steering talk made me wonder about the TD-18s----being they were larger than the 14s.

I was able to handle the TD-24 ----well before the TD-14.

 

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On 8/6/2022 at 9:11 PM, Delta Dirt said:

I found a helper spring system on one of the old 14 parts tractors I acquired along the way----‐saved it but never installed it.  I don't think I have ever run an 18----the reins steering talk made me wonder about the TD-18s----being they were larger than the 14s.

I was able to handle the TD-24 ----well before the TD-14.

 

Anson, It's sad seeing you in a hospital bed. I know we get tied up there occasionally, but I'm still sorry you had to celebrate your 58th wedding anniversary in that bed. But I am glad you are home. I'll bet your Melinda takes real good care of you. That's great. 

You got to operate a TD-24! I've sat on them but never operated one. I did get to operate and go for a long drive with a TD-30 though.

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The 1955 IH TD-18A 181 series had hydraulic steering assist. It was a real pleasure to operate over the 1953 TD-18A I had. With the 181 you could have tied Wrangler's bit loop around those levers and made all of the mountains you wanted to on that flatland Delta Dirt! Wrangler could have just been munching on a hay bale watching you each day!

The 1953 TD-18A. It had helper springs, but it was still a pretty good muscle builder!

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The 1955 TD-18A 181 Series with hydraulic assistance steering levers. (Farmall Kid, standing, is now retired!) Gary😁

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PS: I've also operated the big TD-40!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Well.... It was the biggest at that time!

That is until a few years later when the TD-65 prototype was out. It never hit the market though. They were both the impetus for the TD18, but the lower one would have been the latest design before the TD-18 in likely 1938?

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Anson, sorry to hear you been "under the weather' for a spell. Noticed you been absent a little here lately but l just figured you was incognito trying to devise a plan to get that high wheel autowagon down south. That "missing Mississippi Melon caper" is still on file but put in the cold case file. Bigfoot and Willie Nelson are still on the list of suspects. George Strait was officially taken off the suspect list when it discovered that he was in Arizona selling ocean front property at the time the melons were absconded.

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On 8/6/2022 at 6:36 PM, Roger Byrne said:

Anson . . . get well ! !   How in heII am I supposed to keep Gary in line without your help?  Hang in there my friend, I'm pulling for you.

 

Roger, my native name is "Straight as an Arrow." So I'm IN LINE. I'm also IN LINE to inherit your 1912 MA AutoWagon (That you KNOW I can drive.).

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I need to get back into it and head down to Anson's melon farm and load up melons so I can follow the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers here to Helena (Handbasket). Since we moved the engines out of the shed, there's lots of room in there right now to keep the rain off of it (If it only rained). 

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Now that we have that settled, I'm posting some photos of our steam up of the 15 hp Case and the 20 hp Reeves July 30th.

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Paw had screwed up. We'd forgotten to open the petcock on the bottom of the Case throttle. Freezing the throttle made a mess of the original throttle, and a friend had given me this throttle spool, so I didn't want to ruin it. It wasn't distorted at all, so I had Mike help me put it together this summer. I got the spool 180° off. So after I'd discovered that after we had steam up, I shut off the main steam valve. Mike and Randy took it apart and turned it the correct way. We were in "tall cotton" then. Randy is holding the spool up in place through the petcock, with a piece of welding rod while Mike tightens the bottom cap.

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After filling with wood at the woodpile Mike and Randy were preparing to grind corn for making feed with the Peerless engine and Appleton grinder. The Reeves furnished steam for the Peerless upright.

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Mike is adjusting the throttle for grinding feed.

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Randy stands by the Reeves while Mike grinds feed. We just use a common hydraulic hose to feed steam to the Peerless upright engine.

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Randy had invited a couple of his friends out that day. They had an older Ford Pickup with a 5 speed transmission. They were talking about young people being unable to negotiate stick transmissions. His friend Skip said he could drive just about anything as he works for the local Caterpillar dealership. I asked him if he could shift "that" pointing to the 1925 Model TT in the shed. Mike caught the cue and we got it running. I drove it outside and showed Skip how the Model TT shifted.

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After several minutes of instruction Skip felt he was ready for a test drive. He couldn't wipe "that" (eatin') grin off of his face. He did pretty fair too.  

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I eventually got out and let him "solo" (airplane talk). His wife Deena is looking through the passenger door at her hubby.

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After Skip's "solo flight" he just HAD to take Deena for a ride and show her his new skills! He did finally kill the engine after her ride, but that's not uncommon when first driving a planetary transmission.

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For those of you who have never driven an old Ford vehicle before the 1928 Model A Ford, here are the pedals for the planetary transmission. As it is sets, it's in "high gear." (file photo)

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After her Model TT ride, Randy took Deena on a steam engine ride. I only have video of the Case engine ride I took Skip on.  Gary😉😁

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l posted these pics in general chat, but thought l'd ask my question here too. Both of these pics were taken in a cotton field near Clarksdale, Mississippi in 1939. My question is what are those tanks on the hood?

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11 hours ago, twostepn2001 said:

l posted these pics in general chat, but thought l'd ask my question here too. Both of these pics were taken in a cotton field near Clarksdale, Mississippi in 1939. My question is what are those tanks on the hood?

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You've sure got me, twostepn2001! All I know about cotton is there is cotton balls, Q tips, tee shirts and navel fuzz. I sure hope we find out what they are for though. Gary😉😁

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