IH Tractors on Montana Farm

[Loadstar]

And now for something completely different. I've done a little research on this one already but all I can find is about the T Barker company. This old double barrel is just a plain Barker Arms Co. As you might notice it has had some hard use and a little repair. Unfortunately the right side hammer is missing and the shaft it attached to looks the worse for wear. Its just a display model as far as I am concerned and was purchased by a family member probably more than a century ago. 

[Old Binder Guy]

21 minutes ago, Loadstar said:

And now for something completely different. I've done a little research on this one already but all I can find is about the T Barker company. This old double barrel is just a plain Barker Arms Co. As you might notice it has had some hard use and a little repair. Unfortunately the right side hammer is missing and the shaft it attached to looks the worse for wear. Its just a display model as far as I am concerned and was purchased by a family member probably more than a century ago. 

Ralph, That is an excellent "wall hanger" as is. I used to have a T Barker double barrel shotgun years ago. I used it when us young guys used to go to Virginia City, Montana for "Sharps Buffalo Shoots." I wish I still had that 16 pound Sharps bonified Montana buffalo gun and that 16 gauge T Barker sawed off shotgun. It's amazing what a dad can do when faced with paying for our kids' college.

This was me shooting the 45-2-7/8" Sharps at a life size iron buffalo at 1,000 yards.

I used the T Barker shotgun when a bunch of us went uptown Virginia City about 11:30 to catch the noontime crowd for the shoot out in the street with black powder blanks.

Here us "vigilantes" "got" our laughing "outlaw." Our outlaw was a deputy sheriff from Kalispell!  Gary😉

[MacAR]

49 minutes ago, Loadstar said:

And now for something completely different. I've done a little research on this one already but all I can find is about the T Barker company. This old double barrel is just a plain Barker Arms Co. As you might notice it has had some hard use and a little repair. Unfortunately the right side hammer is missing and the shaft it attached to looks the worse for wear. Its just a display model as far as I am concerned and was purchased by a family member probably more than a century ago. 

If you pull the forend off, I'll bet a nickel there are some Belgian proofmarks under it. Most of those old trade name guns were made over there and imported here by the boat load, then sold by Sears Roebuck or Monkey Wards to farmers and ranchers all over the US. They were cheap guns back in the day, only costing four or five dollars. It has what is called "circle hammers", that you might be able to find from one of the big gun parts houses or your local gun show. 

Mac

[Old Binder Guy]

An earlier import to American frontiersmen, farmers and ranchers was the French Zulu shotgun. 

ZULU SHOTGUN  : 
French 1867 "Tabatiere" rifle converted to a shotgun. This was originally a French Mle.1857 percussion rifle, which was later converted to M.1867 breech loading rifle, and finally converted to the smoothbore shotgun configuration. 

I believe when the Tabatiere rifle was converted to a breech loader, it was in 577 Snyder caliber. When it was finally converted to a smoothbore shotgun it was available in 12 and 10 gauge shotgun ammunition, likely brass cased.

I used to have my grandpa Jäger's Zulu 10 gauge. They were a single shot. I had a cousin who was all hopped up over "antique guns." He had gotten a 45-70 Springfield Trapdoor US Army Infantry Rifle. When he saw Grandpa's shotgun, he, "Had to have it." His neighbor had a 1925 Model T Roadster Pickup, that he'd sell my cousin for $20. So I asked Dad and he let my cousin take the Zulu shotgun home. I never got the Model T. He always had an excuse. The last excuse he came up with was that he was robbed and lost his old guns. 

I later came up with this 12 gauge that had its wooden stock all broken up. It had a cheap repair. I photographed it with Grandpa Jäger's brand. Another fella talked me out of it about 25 or 30 years ago. I do still have this photo of it in my computer though. Gary😉

[Loadstar]

4 hours ago, MacAR said:

If you pull the forend off, I'll bet a nickel there are some Belgian proofmarks under it. Most of those old trade name guns were made over there and imported here by the boat load, then sold by Sears Roebuck or Monkey Wards to farmers and ranchers all over the US. They were cheap guns back in the day, only costing four or five dollars. It has what is called "circle hammers", that you might be able to find from one of the big gun parts houses or your local gun show. 

Mac

Thats pretty much what I have read too. Cheap shotgun sold by Simpsons Sears or maybe Eatons in Canada. I'll probably just keep working on  it with steel wool to get the rust off and maybe look at "blueing" it? Protect it from rusting more. I'll try to get a picture on here of great uncle Karl Hobetzeder carrying this shotgun. 

[MacAR]

4 minutes ago, Loadstar said:

maybe look at "blueing" it?

I like Brownells Oxpho-blue. It's easy to put on and works good, I've used it several times on old guns and it turned out well. 

Mac

[Loadstar]

11 hours ago, MacAR said:

I like Brownells Oxpho-blue. It's easy to put on and works good, I've used it several times on old guns and it turned out well. 

Mac

Thanks for that info. I watched a few videos on it and the process looks simple enough that even I could handle it. Here is a photo of great uncle Karl Hobetzeder with the Barker double barrel. Likely in the 1920s. 

[twostepn2001]

Was taking another fun stroll through the internet and found this little tidbit of info. l had a couple of his cassettes many years ago. But instead choosing C.W. McCall, might've been even funnier if he'd chose a different name....like "French Fries".

Nov. 15th 1928, Billie Dale Fries, legally changed his name to William Dale Fries Jr, professionally known as C.W. McCall, was born in Audubon, Iowa

In 1973, while working for Bozell & Jacobs, Fries created a television advertising campaign for Old Home Bread. The bread was trucked across the Midwest from the Metz Baking Company's plant in Sioux City, Iowa. As the big semi-trailer trucks carrying the Old Home Bread logo were a familiar sight on the highway, this suggested a trucking theme. The advertisements featured deliveries of the bread to the Old Home café, whose name expanded to become the "Old Home Filler-Up an' Keep on a-Truckin' Café". Its waitress was named Mavis after a real waitress at the White Spot café in Audubon where Fries grew up. Her role was to flirt with the truck driver who was named C. W. McCall. The name McCall was inspired by McCall's magazine, which Fries had on his desk at the time. A James Garner movie, Cash McCall, was also an influence. To complete the name, Fries added initials, shown embroidered on the trucker's shirt, and chose "C. W." for country and western.

 

[Old Binder Guy]

Well, my wife is watching the University of Montana Grizzlies get whooped by the Montana State University Bobcats. I chose to do productive things like posting photos for Red Power!

This first photo is a faint memory of mine, as I remember Dad doing this with bobsled runners underneath instead of wagon wheels. Feeding livestock in winter with loose hay, hand pitched. They got rid of the draft horses in 1947, so I wouldn't have been very old. Four, I guess?

Our barn had this peak that held the track for lifting hay into the hayloft. I don't remember hay being up there in our barn. They may have still been putting some hay up there for the draft horses and I just don't remember going up into the hayloft?

Here's another Big Four gas tractor pulling Deering binders. Roger knows every part of a Big Four in his head, the lights out and lying in bed. 

A 45 IHC Mogul has the threshing crew posing with it.

An 80 hp Case is threshing in somewhat later years, it appears (maybe 1930s), but it's still a wonderful scene. 

Harvesting with a 21 Massey Harris "Harvest Brigade" combine and a two ton K-5 International truck. My father inlaw had a 21 Massey and I had a 21 Massey, but neither of them had a huge decal like this one has on its grain tank.

You can see how small my FIL's decal was on his 21 Massey Harris.

A Shorpy of a pretty early IH Farmall M backed into the belt.

You "non-Montanans" will have to tell me what this is? It may be a John Deere tractor planting something? It's sure not McCormick-Deering. Planting cotton or corn?

I had this photo marked to post here for some time now, of ladies and a White Steamer. Ironically this is the very same type of White steam car that burned Jay Leno's face. I hope Jay doesn't have horrible disfiguration from the gasoline fire. My face was on fire with gasoline when I was a first grader. So was my right arm. My big brother used his jacket to (eventually??) smother those fires. It seemed like a half minute I was burning, But It may have only been 10 seconds too? I had disfiguration on my right arm for years, but all of it has gone away and I can find no sign of ever being on fire. I got out of school for three days though. But It wasn't real fun in the hospital either. The yellow "grease" the Dr. put on my arm, wrapped in gauze, and put on my face looked similar and smelled just like this Bag Balm in the can right here in front of me.  

A FWD (Four Wheel Drive ) solid rubber tire truck has the neighbors posing on it.

This is a high water early 1926 Model T Ford Fordor Sedan used in Florida. I'd hate to have the transmission to driveshaft universal joint go out in real deep water!

There were a couple of old "filling stations" like this when I was young, where I grew up. They were so fascinating. I'm taken by that gasoline (gasolene?) pump that gentleman owner has his hand on. I've seen those pumps, but not on the outside of a visible pump like this one. That appears to be a 1926 Model T Ford Tudor Sedan at right.

Those old filling stations always seemed to sell pop. This boy is smiling with his bottle of CocaCola! And how well I remember Orange Crush pop!

This appears to be a steam powered, crawler propulsion, cement mixer? That had to be hard work doing that kind of work?

A Yuba Ball Tread crawler. I don't completely understand the "ball" part, but I've never seen one of these crawlers in person.

I was fascinated by this Model A Ford Van with a mobile machine shop in the rear.

I remember there being an old yellow and black "DeLaval" milker, tin sign nailed on the stall wall in our barn as a boy. I've always wondered why I didn't grab that. But, I didn't. We had McCormick-Deering milkers when I came along.

MT Matt likely smelled this auction poster coming off of the press? Maybe not. It shows some McCormick-Deering IH tractors being auctioned at Froid, Montana. A (L-R) Farmall M, Farmall F-20  and a W-30.  Gary😉

[MacAR]

2 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

You "non-Montanans" will have to tell me what this is? It may be a John Deere tractor planting something? It's sure not McCormick-Deering. Planting cotton or corn

Going by the final drives and the angled shift lever, it looks like a Farmall Regular with a two row lister-planter. At least to me anyway. Best I understand, lister planting was (and maybe still is) common in the more arid regions of the US, as it somehow conserves moisture. Hopefully someone with more knowledge than I will chime in. Good to hear from you "Perfesser", and thanks for sharing!

Mac

[twostepn2001]

16 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

You "non-Montanans" will have to tell me what this is?

Here is a F-12 (?) with a McCormick-Deering 2 row cotton planter near Town, New Mexico in 1940. There are some similarities in the pics but differences too.

[Rusty_Farmer]

instead of rollers in the track chain to carry the crawler along , they used balls ,steel, in the track chain like a ball brg. race set up.

[Rusty_Farmer]

do a gougo  and some picts. show the balls in the track

[MT Matt]

Gary, that sale in Froid was mentioned in another topic. I didn’t know about it until it was over. The prices were right, some went for $300-400. But that’s a looooong drive for me. 10 hours one way! 😳

Maybe as long as the watermelon delivery trip!  😂

Took me all day to go the Ennis and bring home my rakes as some of the road was a sheet of ice.  But I got them home!

[Old Binder Guy]

16 hours ago, MT Matt said:

Gary, that sale in Froid was mentioned in another topic. I didn’t know about it until it was over. The prices were right, some went for $300-400. But that’s a looooong drive for me. 10 hours one way! 😳

Maybe as long as the watermelon delivery trip!  😂

Took me all day to go the Ennis and bring home my rakes as some of the road was a sheet of ice.  But I got them home!

MT Matt, I was just pulling your chain about the Froid auction. You are our auction person here. Those look like a great side delivery rake setup! I wish I had a dollar for every day I pulled rakes in my young years.

We sure got winter early this year. I don't remember many winters starting and staying this early in my long lifetime. We usually just get some "heads up, fellas, this is what's coming soon snow," but not this cold and snow like we've gotten. 

Happy Thanksgiving to you and all of our friends here on Red Power! Gary😉

The transition:

[MT Matt]

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving Day Gary!  I went to my step-mother’s house and ate way too much, as usual. The only bad thing about eating at someone else’s house is that you have no leftovers. I do have pecan and pumpkin pie left to eat so breakfast is covered today!  😂

You are very correct with winter setting in seemingly early. We don’t get the cold like you do but a few nights recently it was right at zero. It was 18 last night but supposed to warm up today to 40. The crunchy snow makes it hard to sneak up on an elk!  Only a few days left in the season, maybe I’ll get a shot yet this year.  I was above a friend’s ranch a couple days ago.  All I got was “track soup” but the view was pretty good!

[Old Binder Guy]

4 hours ago, MT Matt said:

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving Day Gary!  I went to my step-mother’s house and ate way too much, as usual. The only bad thing about eating at someone else’s house is that you have no leftovers. I do have pecan and pumpkin pie left to eat so breakfast is covered today!  😂

You are very correct with winter setting in seemingly early. We don’t get the cold like you do but a few nights recently it was right at zero. It was 18 last night but supposed to warm up today to 40. The crunchy snow makes it hard to sneak up on an elk!  Only a few days left in the season, maybe I’ll get a shot yet this year.  I was above a friend’s ranch a couple days ago.  All I got was “track soup” but the view was pretty good!

MT Matt, we were at Mike and Pam's. I know I ate way too much. I took the pecan and pumpkin pie and homemade whip cream. And I LEFT it there!

That is a great looking spot to be elk hunting in! "Track soup?" That reminds me of an old, old cousin of mine, long gone. He was an Eagles member in Lewistown and always went to the monthly "Eagle's Feed." My father in-law was also an Eagles member. He'd gone to the same feed that my old cousin went to. It was this time of year. He walked up to a bowl of large black olives, used both hands to pick up a bunch in his hands and he hollered, "ELK!!!" loud enough the whole banquet room could hear him!  Gary😉🙃😁

[jeeper61]

Here is another from the past

We used to use wooden thread spools  

American Thread Company's Spool Mill, Milo Maine 1908

 

[Old Binder Guy]

18 hours ago, jeeper61 said:

Here is another from the past

We used to use wooden thread spools  

American Thread Company's Spool Mill, Milo Maine 1908

 

jeeper61, I'd never pictured anything like this wooden thread spool mill. It's funny how we out west have very little manufactured, mainly just crops raised. I've long been fascinated with wooden spools. I always keep them, when I run into one. Mom's sewing basket used to be something I liked playing in when I was 2 or 3 years old. Grandma Yaeger had passed on and her huge sewing basket had so many spools of thread and lots of buttons too.

There's not much in the way of spools in my old baskets I display near my antique hand crank singer sewing machine at Mike's shop.

My "Coffin Top" hand crank Singer.

My 1861 Hand Crank Chas Raymond sewing machine. This was my high school graduation present from my parents in 1961. It was $50 in a Lewistown antique shop even at that time. My parents couldn't believe that was what I wanted for graduation! Very few people understand how I function. Roger may come as close as anyone here on Red Power though. He has some ancient quirks too!  Gary😁

[Roger Byrne]

"few people understand how I (Gary) function."     

 

[twostepn2001]

Found this while searching for a lost IH Autowagon on the interweb. Tried to Find Matt and Kitty but they must at Del Monico's for lunch. And Doc and Chester are probably over at Matt's office playing checkers.

Photograph of the interior of the Long Branch Saloon in Dodge City, Kansas, taken sometime between 1870 and 1885.

 

[hardtail]

Photo fits the name, long narrow room, your back to the wall and your revolver handy 🤠

[jeeper61]

2 hours ago, hardtail said:

your back to the wall and your revolver handy 🤠

Yes I noticed that 

Just like the places the mobsters frequent they all sit back to the wall facing the door

Was in a bar years ago 

A guy was shaking the cigarette machine because it wouldn't take his coins 

The bar tender yells at him "your going to die doing that"

The guy turns around and says "cigarettes won't kill you that fast"

The bar tender says "That's Uncle Ray's machine if he finds out your abusing it you won't have to worry about the cigarettes killing you" 

Uncle Ray was  Raymond Patriarca head of the Patriarca crime family 

They ran New England Vending all vending machines in the area were his 

[twostepn2001]

Found this online yesterday. A pic of a 40 cotton bale wagon train pulled by 10 horses at Anson, Texas in 1910. l don't recollect seeing 3 horses abreast like that. l mean l've seen 5 or 6 abreast pulling the old combines but never just 3 on a wagon team. Just a little Texas trivia. Anson, Texas is the county seat of Jones county. The county and the town was named after Anson Jones, who served as the fourth and last President of the Republic of Texas.

[Old Binder Guy]

I have some things to throw out there to those of you who understand these crops. We don't raise corn or cotton here. I took this photo this morning after about a month of WINTER. We've had plenty of below zero weather overnight since it hit.

Snow and cold is the reason those hot weather crops aren't grown here at our elevation.

I put this photo on Facebook this afternoon when I put on my daily accordion song. My song was a 1949 song made popular in 1950 as a hit for Bing Crosby. It's a "Marshmallow World" (In The Winter, When The Snow Comes To Cover The Ground...)

This Minneapolis return flue engine is chopping (?) or shelling (?) corn into a granary.

A 1924 IHC Farmall Regular with a "corn machine."

An IH Farmall MTA is chopping hay(?) for silage? Into an L-170 IH truck(?)

Either an IHC Farmall F-20 or F-30 with a "corn harvester" of some type.

This is a Model E Cotton Picker (don't know the brand) picking cotton near Ralls, Texas. 

I do enjoy putting things I know little to nothing about for you guys to explain it to me and others who aren't familiar with things in your area.  Gary😉