Old Binder Guy Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 15 hours ago, jeeper61 said: A Case baler at work 1933 My uncle Rudolph bought a Case wire tie baler when I was a kid. It wasn't a new one either. I remember the two guys, one on each side of the bale chamber, dropping in the blocks, pushing and pulling the wires and tying them; they always got filthy. I used to come home at night after a day of summer fallowing with the TD-18A and I was black with dirt. Theirs was more "fuzzy" looking and not as black. That's a nice picture you posted jeepers61! Gary😉 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Minded Farmer Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 It is very sad to hear of Anson's passing. Not only is it the loss of a person & great forum member, it's a loss of a connection to history that we will never have again. God rest Anson, my best & kind regards to his family!! Mike 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Snider Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I just found out about Delta’s passing. Though I’m not as active on the forum as in years past, I can still appreciate all his wisdom when I was first dabbling on the forum years ago. My thoughts and prayers go out to Anson’s family. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twostepn2001 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 l was doing a search trying to find where Anson talked about his dad being a early IH dealer. l'm sure there is more deep inside all these 973 pages. But on the page l found he also talks about his Dad's large size and having to sit on a Carbide can in the local cafe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, twostepn2001 said: l was doing a search trying to find where Anson talked about his dad being a early IH dealer. l'm sure there is more deep inside all these 973 pages. But on the page l found he also talks about his Dad's large size and having to sit on a Carbide can in the local cafe. That would be good to add into what I’d like to put together. I found his father’s obituary online also. Appears he was an “early adopter” of various ideas in the area for farming and otherwise. Looking closer, I believe I had that post in my collection to put together. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 Todd, Please don't let me screw up your post for elsewhere about Anson. I found Reb's obituary too. Just so this thread doesn't evaporate, I'll post some of my junk I gather to put on here from time to time. I'm sure Roger will find Anson's obituary as soon as it is available. I really don't know anything, and I usually try to put some semblance of organization in these photos. Tonight, I'm more or less throwing them on like a dart board and darts. A little girl sitting on the right front fender of her parent's early 1917 Model T Ford Touring Car. A North Dakota mail man with his Model T Roadster "pickup" on tracks and skis. Roger is going to have to help me with this Model T "mak-a-tractor" shown. It appears to have a 1912 Torpedo body with a 1912 roadster or touring car windshield. Mixed parts car! I liked this of the P&O Plows, the company IHC bought for their plows. Anson and Wrangler would have liked this photo of multiple horses pulling this wooden combined harvester in an Oregon grain field. I'm guessing this is a "corn binder" but not an International Truck! A Fordson tractor is pulling this corn harvest equipment. Is it a chopper? I'm not from corn country, you know. Another Fordson (powerplant) is powering this Barber-Greene asphalt paver. This Acme binder took my eye! That's not Wylie Coyote standing at right. It is the owner, but notice that gas engine power unit by his right knee. I'm pretty sure this Case engine is a 20 hp, with the threshing crew posing. It's pulling a "cook car" to the field for the lady cooks. The cooks pose with this cook car. The cooks pose here with the threshing crew of this outfit. This was a tent used to feed the threshing crew AND I'm betting it was a "bunk house" for those who wanted it for that use? This threshing machine is being powered by a (likely Fairbanks-Morse?) "hit & miss" gas engine. A "hit & miss" engine is busy powering a buzz saw in central Montana's Big Snowy Mountains where they're making firewood. An European 1882 Ganz engine is powering this digger or "rototiller!" This one was called a "Darby Digger." Also European. A Bucyrus steam shovel in Panama. These were used to dig the Panama Canal. An Erie B-26 steam shovel is shoveling ballast off of the flat cars of this railroad. If I remember, it was in Washington state? A farmer is plowing with his Moline Universal tractor. Anson used to have one of these too. These men are sawing firewood with this McCormick-Deering Farmall F-20. This Farmall F-20 is mowing hay. There appear to be plenty of tires under this Massey-Ferguson tractor. Especially on those front wheel bearings? This Triple (870?) John Deere tractor(s) enabled this farmer to pull a big load behind. A 15-27 Case cross motor tractor is threshing. A Gas Traction manufactured in Roger's corner of the country. A 40-65(?) Twin City gas tractor with its "sun roof" opened. An IHC Type B (I believe?) gas tractor. Roger may know which? I'm only guessing this is an IHC tractor pulling this Case threshing machine. I'm pretty sure this is a Mogul Junior pulling these plows. I think this IHC is a Type C pulling this plow. This IHC is a Type C pulling disk plows. A McCormick W-9 is pulling some model of (I'm guessing) McCormick pull type combine. A 75 Holt is pulling a cannon in a parade. I don't know where. A Two Ton Caterpillar is pulling a land leveler, I believe? A Twenty Caterpillar is pulling a three bottom plow. A Caterpillar road grader is gassing up at a "filling station." A McCormick-Deering T-20 TracTracTor is pulling a huge boiler somewhere in a delivery. Last but not least are two young Montana girls outside their house with a dolly, buggy and their pet badger! Gary😉 PS: I understand badgers make good pets. I just don't care to have one. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray54 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 My guess is the W9 with combine is down under in Australia. As the "stripper" head was popular on the Sunshine brand header as they termed a combine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said: PS: I understand badgers make good pets. I just don't care to have one. After watching the clip of the Kid trapping one with a bucket I don't think I want one either Thanks for sharing the latest finds I always enjoy looking at the early life of our predecessors 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 13 hours ago, jeeper61 said: After watching the clip of the Kid trapping one with a bucket I don't think I want one either Thanks for sharing the latest finds I always enjoy looking at the early life of our predecessors I'm glad you like examining the lives of our forefathers too, jeeper61! I've always loved seeing how they did things and usually in a much more labor intensive way than we would have doing the same jobs today. Gary😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Gary, you couldn’t do anything to screw up what I hope to find time to put together about Anson. We have lost a couple members of my wife’s family in the last week so I’ve had my hands full with stuff going on besides work. Everyone here will be the first to see what I come up with as you all will be the best to decode its accuracy. There was a MM Universal in my family’s past also. My Great Grandfather on my Mother’s side had one. First was your pic. Second and third were an example I found this summer. Fourth pic is Great Grandpa. Last pic is him in his WW1 uniform. The pic on the universal would have been taken shortly after WW1. I think I have posted these before. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 @Old Binder Guy those Montana girls must be awful tough! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, vtfireman85 said: @Old Binder Guy those Montana girls must be awful tough! vtfireman85, Yes, they are VERY tough. However, they've not discovered how tough a badger is. Dad hated badgers. They used to dig their holes in our pastures. He had a horse break a leg in one of those holes years before. We were fixing fence on one pasture when I was a kid. We had the 1947 Jeep with fencing supplies and equipment. There was a badger hole near the fence. The badger came up and hissed. Dad had a crowbar in his hand. So he went toward the badger and rammed that bar down the hole. The badger bit the bar and we could see the marks his teeth left in Dad's bar. That convinced me I didn't want to tangle with one. Badgers are very durable too. One was running across a meadow one day when I'd been tending cattle and was needing to head to Lewistown for parts. I took off after him with my pickup. I ran over him. He got up and kept going. I spun around and ran over him again with my left rear wheel on top of him and I stopped there. I knew the badger couldn't live through that. So I went to town. He was still lying there the last I could see. But when I came back from town, he was gone! Gary😁 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 I couldn't find this photo of three John Deere tractors plowing when I posted the last bunch. It was in my phone. No wonder! I took this photo out of our kitchen window this morning here in Helena. It snowed all day but melted most of the snow as it fell. It was 33° when I got up. We always need a subtle reminder of what is ahead! A friend posted this photo on Facebook of an Avery (15-30?) gas tractor with a man made looking contraption and made a "high crop" tractor. The consensus was that it was used for digging and harvesting Douglas Fir trees. This John Deere High Crop crawler was designed for harvesting Douglas Fir, they said. Gary😉 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Old Binder Guy said: I couldn't find this photo of three John Deere tractors plowing when I posted the last bunch. It was in my phone. No wonder! I took this photo out of our kitchen window this morning here in Helena. It snowed all day but melted most of the snow as it fell. It was 33° when I got up. We always need a subtle reminder of what is ahead! A friend posted this photo on Facebook of an Avery (15-30?) gas tractor with a man made looking contraption and made a "high crop" tractor. The consensus was that it was used for digging and harvesting Douglas Fir trees. This John Deere High Crop crawler was designed for harvesting Douglas Fir, they said. Gary😉 Looks like the same machine possibly as I pictured at the HCOP in 2021. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray54 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 That JD crawler could be used to lift about any tree or shrub grown in nursey and transplanted to field. Almonds to walnut tress and roses to boot all get dug with similar. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardtail Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I notice she has a substantial leash for her pet badger, perhaps spirited at times, I always thought of them as a Prairie wolverine, they do look neat as they are moving so long as it's the opposite direction 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poor farmer/logger Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Several times I’ve been out on the snowmobile When it’s cold out and come upon dirt flying in the air when there’s 2-3’ of snow on the ground. Come up to investigate and here’s a badger hole going straight down into the frozen dirt. Crazy how fast they can disappear into the ground. Reminds me of another animal that can move faster then you’d think. Dad and my brother were up at the creek north of home one evening and there was a big ol beaver on the shore. They got close enough to poke it with a stick. Apparently struck a nerve with the beaver as it turned and ran directly at them and didn’t appear very happy 😂. Good thing they could still run faster lol. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearclash Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/22/2022 at 9:55 PM, Old Binder Guy said: A Bucyrus steam shovel in Panama. These were used to dig the Panama Canal. Interesting tidbit I remember from reading on the Panama Canal. Some of the excavations were so far below the original grade that the soil at the face of the cut would shift from the weight of the bank above it. There was supposedly one particular shovel that never truly advanced forward in the cut, just stood in one spot and dug as the bank advanced toward it. I think the deal was that it advanced during the work shift, but come the next morning the bank would be back where they had started the day before. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardtail Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 52 minutes ago, Art From Coleman said: The little John Deere is but a toy, compared to this: Siameesed Caterpillar D-8's "funnel dozer" used on the King Ranch (notice the brand) to clear and control mesquite. From this ignorant perspective they don't look like much of a tree, Sawmill used to say they could stand a D9 on its nose 🙄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twostepn2001 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 l know this has been talked about before on here, but could somebody re-explain how one guy riding a mule could control the other 19? And what was the purpose of the guys riding on each wagon? BTW, l got this pic off a site that was discussing the old TV show "Death Valley Days" that was sponsored by "Twenty Mule Team Borax". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, twostepn2001 said: l know this has been talked about before on here, but could somebody re-explain how one guy riding a mule could control the other 19? And what was the purpose of the guys riding on each wagon? BTW, l got this pic off a site that was discussing the old TV show "Death Valley Days" that was sponsored by "Twenty Mule Team Borax". twostepn2001, I'm quite sure it is like these mules here in Helena in 1870. This was a "Jerkline" freighter. The one line went to the front "trained" lead mule. Those two front mules have bells on their collars. The other mules heard the bells and understood they were to follow the leader! That mule understood the rider's command and did what he desired. It would have been fun to watch. My Grandpa Jäger was a freighter like this too, but he died before I could ask him any of the multitude of questions I would have had for him. Gary😉 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray54 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 My grandfather also drove 30 head plus teams on sidehill combines with a jerk line. But I was 7 or 8 when he died so I never asked any questions about such ether. But was reported to be very good with a bullwhip, and also was reported to hit any horse with a small rock as he kept a box of them on the platform he sat on. My dad talked he had whip in one hand and a rock in the other. So I think getting the horse or mule to work was more the challenge than a critter wanting to run away. When they got used every day for 8 to 12 hours they did not have energy to want to do bad things. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardtail Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Sage advice Ray to the goings on today, I still will choose freedom over a whip and stoning 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 ray54 enticed me to post some photos. Photos speak louder than words, for me. A few photos of combined harvesters and their means of movement. Plus a couple other photos. I'd hate to be one of the guys charged with harnessing horses each morning, and removing them each evening on the Drumheller farm. In eastern Montana. Just a bunch of horses. It looks to me like the teamster has only one line in his hands. Ooops, A roll over on a Palouse sidehill in 1933. From Palouse! No wonder it rolled over. It was being pulled by a McCormick-Deering TD-35 TracTracTor! Heck, this is a 110 hp Best steam engine. It AND the combined harvester rolled over on their sides. The Best was intended to work in hilly country, because of not having the typical issue other steam engines with locomotive style boilers had, of keeping water on their crown sheet. This one just should have had the "wide wheel option." Like this one in California has... wide wheels. Steam engines had other problems in ripe wheat fields too! I'm assuming the Best 110 hp steam engine was the culprit here? I don't know for sure, as I've seen my own combine on fire from a bearing failing. Anyway, there's not much left of this formerly wooden combined harvester. Just scrap iron. But, threshing machines weren't impervious to wrecking either. Gary😉 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 On 10/24/2022 at 1:59 PM, Art From Coleman said: The little John Deere is but a toy, compared to this: Siameesed Caterpillar D-8's "funnel dozer" used on the King Ranch (notice the brand) to clear and control mesquite. Art from Coleman, You know that when you guys throw "bait" out in front of me like the Siamese D-8s, I can't always leave things alone. A Texas friend on Facebook sent me these two examples. One is supposed to be a "D8 Triplet." They sure look larger to me, but the exhaust pipes are likely the deciding factor that they are D-8s. These Siamese twins are D-9's, as are the three above, I think? Maybe not? My late steam friend Carl Mehmke farmed with two D-9s and two D-8s on their 16 sections of cropland. Then there is the little D-7 Cat with the dozer at the far end. If I remember correctly, this was the first D-9 built. It was a 1955 model anyway, the first year. This Cat powered Oskosh truck looks just right with that D-9 on the back end. Francis Tindall is pushing dirt with his D-9 at Lewistown (where I was born). This photo is showing the difference between a D-9 and an Oliver Cletrac in a showroom. Now that D-9 above is big. But I was 5 years old when I first saw an IH TD-24. This is how big that TD-24 seemed to me inside the International Harvester Company Store in Great Falls, Montana. My cousin Harold "Toot" (hence the name for Mike's Farmall M, Toot gave him) Yaeger was a partsman at that store. They're not that big, but they were darn big to me! The Caterpillar team with the first D-10 with high final drive. There was a D-10 doing highway construction passing through the Mehmke farm. It rained and the crew took time off. Carl had his friend bring his Cletrac L, "high drive" over and they took this photo of the two high drives together. I'm not certain how much larger the D-11 Caterpillar is compared to the D-10. It seems that after they get big, they're just BIG! The difference may not be outward physically? It could all be engine and power train? Maybe one of you guys know? Now back to "dinky!" MY first crawler was this T-20 McCormick-Deering TracTracTor. I got it for $50 since it had a bad rod bearing. However, I grew up on McCormick-Deering TD-40 TracTracTors. I plowed with the middle one in this photo when I was 10 years old, because Dad told me that when I could start one by myself, without help, I could go to the field and plow, like the "big" guys did. Of course at other times, I ran all three of these. This was the fourth TD-40 in the family and it is the one I kept. It was the best one mechanically. I can still crank these old girls too! The one stuck in mud, above, had an electrical system and starter, since it had the dozer's hydraulic pump in the crank hole. I owned all three of these at different times. I farmed with the 1953 TD-18A. I plowed with the one at left, and the one at right is the one I'm cranking above, that is now gray in color. I plowed dirt and snow with this 1955 TD-18A 181 Series. Farmall Kid and his sister are posing on it. I did, however, get to operate one of these TD-30s that belonged to my neighbors when I lived at Whitefish, Montana. That was a memorable experience for this old duffer. This is my old late steam friend, Max Tyler on their D-7 Cat right after WWII at "Eddies Corner" Montana. They were worried their new D-7 they'd ordered would come with Olive Drab paint instead of Caterpillar yellow. Lots of people still farmed on tracks when I was young. I don't personally know of anyone who does in central Montana anymore? I have about half of my hearing in my left ear. A ringing from a .357 Magnum going off about 3 feet from it, and before that I had a main gun tank round go off just as I stuck my head out of the loader's hatch on a M-41 Walker Bulldog tank. Plus riding the TD-18 and those clanking tracks for years didn't help any either. I don't say, "Pardon me?" too much. But I do say, "Huh?" a lot. Ask my family! However, if I could do life over, I probably wouldn't have done things much differently either?? Gary😉 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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