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On 1/8/2022 at 7:28 PM, jeeper61 said:

Steam Hand Car

 

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OBG- 1910 photo 

The story on this is it was used to deliver the Sunday Paper on the  Portland to Canton, Maine route, the train didn't run on Sunday.

 

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1921 Reo hose & chemical combination

It has interesting rear tires looks like the rope traction devices  

One of three the Portland Fire Department purchased in 1921 (Hose 6, 9, and 12).

The firehouse still stands today has been converted to condos 

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18 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

jeeper61, I've not seen a steam railroad "speeder" until this week and now I've seen two. I just borrowed this picture off of Facebook a couple days ago. Gary😁

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Another old steam period speeder / motor car. Gary😁

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On 1/3/2022 at 6:34 PM, Roger Byrne said:

Wow TwoStep, you post a couple photos of a very rare tractor.  Those two photos from Jones County Texas are not of a Best/Holt steamer, they are of a Buffalo Pits three cylinder tractor.  They were introduced in 1911 and were not successful.  Buffalo Pits made great steam engines, but their attempt to build a gas tractor was a complete failure.  They used a three cylinder engine with a questionable ignition system and the tractor was too narrow for its top-heavy design.  It also weighed too much for the power produced from the engine.  The last two photos below show what happened when it was at the Canadian tractor trials.  It broke down and had to be pulled out of the field by a Big Four. 

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A Facebook friend had two more photos of the Buffalo Pitts TriPlex three cylinder gas tractor, taken at the Winnipeg Trials in 1911. This first photo ties in with the two photos above, when it was broke down, I'm pretty sure.

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This photo was of the TriPlex on a Prony Brake (that I talked about a page back) 😉at Winnipeg. This is pretty obvious to be a photo from before the above photos. Gary

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14 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

Prony Brake (that I talked about a page back)

OBG, at one time it seems like you talked a bout a "Baker fan"......?  l've searched back but can't find anything. Was that a horsepower test thing?

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33 minutes ago, twostepn2001 said:

OBG, at one time it seems like you talked a bout a "Baker fan"......?  l've searched back but can't find anything. Was that a horsepower test thing?

Between the food-mooching, rainbow flag flying, 'editor' of, and the Abilene Reporter-"News", being owned by USA Today, they must have corrupted your search:

 

https://www.farmcollector.com/steam-traction/the-baker-fan/

https://www.google.com/search?q=prony+brake&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS891US891&oq=prony+brake&aqs=chrome..69i57.6668j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

But, to expose my ignorance, I always thought a "prony brake" and a Baker fan, were one and the same.

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On 12/31/2021 at 5:26 PM, Old Binder Guy said:

Roger, young man, Thank you so much for your involved post. I followed it to a tee! I so appreciate the time it took you to gather, think through and post that type of information.

I forgot to mention how "Steam Horsepower" originally began. It was very unsophisticated, but is how it began. Before there were many engines to turn the very early threshing machines that were "Hand Fed" and some were beginning to use a drag stacker, the number of horses powering that "carousel" Horse Power, those horses determined the horsepower of the steam engine replacing them. This was a Minneapolis model of the "Dingee Woodbury" carousel patent.

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This photo shows the arms the horses were harnessed to.

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This little threshing machine is the earliest one I've ran and observed operating, was at the Mehmke Museum about 30 years ago. Bundle's bands were cut by hand by the man hand feeding it. The straw at the right rear is threshed.

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I can picture someone with a wooden pitchfork pitching the spent straw away from the back end of the machine in the olden days.

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Here are a variety of "horsepower" carousel units powering those early threshing machines. Originally, Steam Engine Horse Power was figured by the number of horses turning a Dingee Woodbury carousel, and the horsepower of the engine replacing those horses. If twelve horses were turning a threshing machine and a steam engine was brought in that would handle the threshing machine... IT WAS a 12 horsepower engine.

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I've posted this photo several times in the past. It involves my late steam mentor and great friend, Walter Fred Mehmke on their Highwood, Montana farm. Walter is the baby at right being held by his Grandpa Mehmke.

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These are the units ready for transport.

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I took this photo at Cedar Falls, Iowa in 1958 of an Aultman-Taylor early hand fed, slat stacker threshing machine that its horsepower unit turned a drive belt and not a shaft drive like the rest of the ones above showed.  Thank YOU again, Roger. Anson, I hope you have steam traction engine horsepower in your head clearly now? 

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PPS: But this is a 1910 45 horsepower Case steam engine. The engine proper (motor) is identical to our 15 horsepower above, with 9" X 10" bore and stroke. The boiler tubes are interchangeable and have the same cubic feet of heating surface there and in the firebox. They will interchange from running gear to running gear. The "smoke box" chamber below the smokestack is a few inches longer on the 45 hp engine. Now anyone reading Roger's and my posts should know all there is to be known about steam horsepower. 

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This is a 1913 Case 50 horsepower engine threshing. The 50 utilized taller drive wheels and gearing, gaining power. But it the same "motor" and boiler (with boosted steam pressure) as the 45 horsepower, and the 15 horsepower. Go figure.

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This is Abner D. Baker's Prony Brake he built to test his Baker steam engines on, back in the day. He donated it to the National Thresher's Association years ago. The brake band around the spinning drum, (with water/oil coolant inside) with the beam scale measuring the pressure applied to the drum is the principle used to figure horsepower. 

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The Prony Brake went back in the early production of steam and gas engine tractors. This is an IHC tractor on a Prony Brake at Winnipeg, Canada, in the early days of those horsepower and efficiency (coal and water usage) trials of the early 20th century's teens.

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Likely the most colorful Prony Brake operator of the steam hobby era is this late friend of mine, Amos Rixmann. I took this photo of him at Rollag, Minnesota. He explained everything so greatly. He's watching the scale and has his hand on the crank wheel that tightened the band.

I just wish he hadn't always called me after midnight on work nights! I first met him at the 50th National Thresher's Association show in 1994.

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I had to put this photo here. This was the Smolik Brother's 40-140 hp Reeves engine on the Prony Brake at Osage, Iowa August 2007.

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That was also the day I met Mr. Roger Byrne, and his 1914 Model T Ford! PS: son Mike is in the cab with the Reeves engine's caretaker, Jim Bodenham and just had returned from plowing. Gary😁

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twostepn2001, it was back one page, but what you were looking for is tucked into this post about the Prony Brake. Gary😉

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20 minutes ago, Art From Coleman said:

Between the food-mooching, rainbow flag flying, 'editor' of, and the Abilene Reporter-"News", being owned by USA Today, they must have corrupted your search:

 

https://www.farmcollector.com/steam-traction/the-baker-fan/

https://www.google.com/search?q=prony+brake&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS891US891&oq=prony+brake&aqs=chrome..69i57.6668j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

But, to expose my ignorance, I always thought a "prony brake" and a Baker fan, were one and the same.

Art, They are completely different animals. The Prony brake is an attempt at stopping the engine with a braking mechanism. I'm not sure how those guys read the scale to tell the horsepower, but they do. The Baker Fan is just a rotating fan on a shaft driven by a pulley. Abner Baker built it to break his engines in at the factory. They have four 2'X2' blades and I believe they were a total of 5' diameter of the turning circle. They had two different pulleys. One for gas tractors and one for steam engines. The theory behind it, the faster it turns, the more wind resistance it creates. That wind resistance puts the load on the engine. This is a picture of our Case on Doug McDougall's Baker Fan he built. This was our first show at our place at Whitefish, Montana.

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This was Austin Monk's 50 hp Case on the Baker fan.

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This photo was of the Baker fan when we took it to Belgrade, Montana for that steam show. 

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Gary those are the pics above are the ones l remember you posting a while back. And thanks for the explanation of the differences between a Prony Brake and a Baker fan.

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My sweet daughter (in-law) Pam, son Mike's wife, texted me that my new phone was there last Thursday. I went to the shop that day and later went over so she and Grandson Jacob could transfer my contacts to this new phone. Mike had watched me trying to answer the $20 BLU smart/TracFone I was using. Half of the time you couldn't answer the calls. I threw it across the living room one night too. Pam's old smart phone was just about kaput, at least in the battery. She wanted a new phone, so these fine kids of ours put me on their calling plan and she got a two for one cell phone, so you could sort of call mine "free?" It has cost them dearly to do this, but they are great people.

That day I took this photo of some of my nicer cell phones I've collected. The Smart Phone on the end is my old $20 TracFone.

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I had my 27 year old Chevy Pickup out at the shop that day and we had plenty of snow, so I grabbed one of my old scoop shovels to throw in the back of the pickup for "just in case." I had my new IPhone13 by this time, so I put it into this photo. (I know, it's hard to tell the difference in appearance. But it all stops there.)

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I mostly have carried a cell phone for "dialing" 911, calling Sharon at home, or texting one of our kids or grandkids.

At that first steam show I posted above on this same page #940, I had the Case steam engine near the shed I had at our Whitefish place. The day of the show, the club president had me back the steam engine over where it is setting next to the shed as in this photo. He dialed up his Motorola Mobile Cellular Telephone, and called KOFI Radio in Kalispell. He invited people to come to the show then he had me toot the engine's "whustle" (right, Anson?). I was very taken by that expen$ive piece of latest technology Nick had in his hand. I lusted over it! But I never got one when they were in vogue.

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However, this "junk shop junkie" stopped into Good Samaritan one day on my way to Silver Creek. Lo and behold, they had a Motorola "Brick" phone like Nicks. I never hesitated spending $10 there!

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Cellular Telephones can be quite handy. I had to carry one at Whitefish Schools when I was Maintenance Chief there for 20+ years. About half of the time I had a cell. I also had two way radios and beepers. It was during that time I bought Sharon and I each a TracFone "flip-phone."

Cellular telephones were handy on steam engines too. I went to stay with the Byrne Bed and Breakfast in 2010. Friend Roger Byrne treated me like royalty. He even had a friend fire up his Port Huron 20 hp steam engine for us. Roger and I are on it here.

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Sharon called me from Montana and I had to answer the cell phone on the steam engine. Not quite "period" equipment, but a necessary thing.

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This was me in 1958, posing with that 40 hp Gaar Scott engine at Tyler's.

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Also on that same trip, I was so blessed to get to operate the former Tyler Brother's 40 hp Gaar Scott engine that friend Jerred Ruble had bought from Tylers, hauled to Iowa and restored it. I was asked to come because I'd ridden on it the last time it was steamed up in September 1956.

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A closer examination shows me talking on my cell phone, telling Jerred Ruble that we had his engine backed to the plow and ready for HIM to go plow with it. Thanks to my friend Roger, I have many photos of that trip of a lifetime in this computer. (and my photos are all saved on an external hard drive!) 

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Cellphones have revolutionized the world. Good or bad. They are a computer, television, telephone and high quality camera in your shirt pocket. (Or wherever you carry yours.) My dear friend Don Greytak, Havre, Montana's world renowned pencil artist even shows how important for family members to be talking to the people they need to be talking to when driving across their ranch. The cowboy on the horse is talking on his cell phone too.

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This is a picture of me driving my McCormick-Deering Farmall F-12. It's an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm and NO, sadly, I'm not talking on a cell phone. I don't have a picture of me on an IH Tractor WITH a cell phone. I know I've talked from them, but no selfies I guess?  Gary 🙃😉😉

Something I need to take care of next summer, I guess?

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I started early  in Don Greytak's drawing career. I can't afford his drawings anymore. This first group of six are on Mike and Pam's living room wall.

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These are in our home.

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These I have in the shop at Silver Creek.

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Gary😉

 

 

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Gary, that Greytak drawing of the WD9 and rod weeder getting into the fence really makes me smile. Even though I've never owned or operated either one, it just seems like something that I'd have done or would do. Thanks for sharing!

Mac

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10 hours ago, MacAR said:

Gary, that Greytak drawing of the WD9 and rod weeder getting into the fence really makes me smile. Even though I've never owned or operated either one, it just seems like something that I'd have done or would do. Thanks for sharing!

Mac

Mac, the reason I bought that picture... I had a WD-9 just like that one. It had the same MacDonald cab and I pulled a pair of McCormick-Deering #5 rod weeders, just like them. And I didn't get my turn started quite soon enough when I approached the fence between us and neighbor Roger Long. I ran into the fence just like his. And that guy in that cab shocked me, as I looked just like that back then. I could call that drawing de ja vous. Gary😁

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Thangs been moving mighty slow for this old faded codger lately-----but there always seems to be something here on the Professors thread to make you laugh and reminisce.

This time the Professor and his line up of cell phones.  Lots of changes along the way.  I swore the last phone I bought would be my last------now looks like I am gonna need one more.  Just about the time I learn all the tricks------phone goes on the blink and you start over new with the next one!!!:wacko:

Good thing about the scoop-------same old process through the years (just keep on huffing and puffing!!!!).

 

 

DD

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20 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

Mac, the reason I bought that picture... I had a WD-9 just like that one. It had the same MacDonald cab and I pulled a pair of McCormick-Deering #5 rod weeders, just like them. And I didn't get my turn started quite soon enough when I approached the fence between us and neighbor Roger Long. I ran into the fence just like his. And that guy in that cab shocked me, as I looked just like that back then. I could call that drawing de ja vous. Gary😁

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What a happy coincidence, then! Out of idle curiosity, what model is that old hoe drill? You never see those in my part of the world. Only disk opener drills, and darn few of them. Matter of fact, I only know of one IH drill in this county and its in my shed! Anyhow, keep up the good work, Perfesser!

Mac

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3 hours ago, MacAR said:

What a happy coincidence, then! Out of idle curiosity, what model is that old hoe drill? You never see those in my part of the world. Only disk opener drills, and darn few of them. Matter of fact, I only know of one IH drill in this county and its in my shed! Anyhow, keep up the good work, Perfesser!

Mac

Mac, Those IH 150 Shovel Drills were very popular in our part of the country (central Montana) back 40 to 60 years ago. My late FIL is posing with the 4568 and the 1256 IH Tractors on a Montana Farm I think 41 years ago? They dug rows that were less susceptible to wind erosion and they would dig enough to put the seed and fertilizer down at the moisture level in our dryland farming. I know "seeding" has changed drastically since I left farming in 1981.

As a newcomer as a poster here with our nonsense, it's good to have new blood in the game. Thanks for joining us old codgers. I think we've forgotten more than we ever knew, but it is still fun trying to recollect things, even if we are long over the hill.  Gary😁

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14 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

Thangs been moving mighty slow for this old faded codger lately-----but there always seems to be something here on the Professors thread to make you laugh and reminisce.

This time the Professor and his line up of cell phones.  Lots of changes along the way.  I swore the last phone I bought would be my last------now looks like I am gonna need one more.  Just about the time I learn all the tricks------phone goes on the blink and you start over new with the next one!!!:wacko:

Good thing about the scoop-------same old process through the years (just keep on huffing and puffing!!!!).

 

 

DD

Anson, It's funny you'd mention phones. I just bought a phone. It is a Motorola automobile phone. It won't work in a Model T, but will in newer vehicles with a cigarette lighter though. So it is pretty modern and up to date.  Gary😉

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This child getting its bath in a washtub by the kitchen range, sucking its thumb struck a chord with me.

 

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This photo shows a fancy, huge barn on a homestead. I remember a few places like this in central Montana, where there were huge, beautiful barns and a plain little shack for a house. The man was looking out for his horses and livestock, plus needed to have a place for feed in tough winters. The houses never got upgraded, as they got into the Dirty Thirties and ended up leaving for the west coast. This one is in North Dakota.

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This is an early wagon and implement dealership in North Dakota. Some of them are teetering on being IHC implements. Weber and Champion? I know Champion.

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I thought this fellow had made quite a unique snowmobile, or moreso an "icemobile" made with an early Harley Davidson Motorcycle.

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I know Anson likes horses and mules, and they do pull wagons, etc. This is a mule pulled street car.

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I remember Dad taking me on the bobsled in 1947, the winter before they sold the last of their workhorses. This was feeding cattle in North Dakota. The loose hay had been hand pitched making the haystack. Then it was hand pitched out of the stack onto this bobsled. Then hand pitched to the cattle. The good ol' days.

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This bobsled is hauling a big log to the homestead. I'm sure it was cut and split for firewood?

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This is a modern photo of a friend's Geiser portable steam engine, but a nice pair of horses are hitched to it.

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Peter Paulson is stopped wit his sulky plow to pose for this picture with his five horse team.

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Maybe he dreamed of owning this new 30 hp Nichols & Shepard steam engine?

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Or he could see himself stack threshing with this Huber return flue engine.

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Of course he probably dreamed of a big threshing crew and good food at the cook car from these ladies?

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I'm sure he dreamed of someday owning his own tractor? Such as this IHC 10-20 Mogul.

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Or maybe even maybe an 18-36 Hart Parr as on this train. 

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Before he retired, he may have wanted an ID-9 McCormick with duals? This one is hauling slabs from a tie mill, maybe?

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He may have even dreamed of an IH 125 SPV combine with a cab? It's factory cab, but from Ford in 1925 for trucks, and not from International Harvester for combines.

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I think this is a TD-9 International pulling a Massey Harris drill in England.

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And the IH Granddaddy by 1950 was the IH TD-24. 

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I'd bet a nickel that the truck under this "egg body" delivery truck was either a D-model or a K-model IH?

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I remember when I first started going to Eddies Corner and seeing "semi truck drivers" they looked something like this. They had a jacket and cap, maybe even pants for their uniform.

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Of course they had IH trucks parked outside. (Well, I remember Kenworth, Freight Liners, Macks, etc. setting out there as well.)

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Somebody spiffed up this IH R-190 in recent years.

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This photograph is a modern photo shoot, but I thought it looked great and quite realistic. Right down to the Brakeman or Conductor's gloves and cap. It was taken in color, but I'm kind of a black and white fanatic on old photos.

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And I have to put on IH Tractors on a Montana Farm. This was when Mike was having troubles with the old gasoline tank on Johnny, the 1935 IHC Farmall F-12 when haying. He has fixed this problem. It wa$n't cheap or a fa$t job, but it i$ fixed. He has that perplexed look when I took this photo.

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And the rest of the haying equipment are IH Tractors on a Montana Farm too. Pam had Jacob and Heather helping, since the hay is for Heather's two goats.  Gary😁

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Lucy and Ricky.

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If not an independent wagon manufacturer, didn't WEBER have an association with John Deere wagons, and wagon boxes?

And, "Eddie's Corner" is sometimes mentioned in the Association of Air Force Missileers quarterly newsletter as being the last chance to get snacks for the crews and maintainance personnel going to the ICBM sites.

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2 hours ago, Art From Coleman said:

If not an independent wagon manufacturer, didn't WEBER have an association with John Deere wagons, and wagon boxes?

And, "Eddie's Corner" is sometimes mentioned in the Association of Air Force Missileers quarterly newsletter as being the last chance to get snacks for the crews and maintainance personnel going to the ICBM sites.

Art, I was reluctant about Weber. But Champion was purchased by International Harvester for their binders and farm equipment. Likely to eliminate competition, more than anything. Osborne was another IH eliminated. I know there were others that my old head can't recall from my IH partsman days.

Eddies Corner.

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The first time I stopped there was in 1953, with the Tyler family when I was going to their home to stay for the weekend. The weekend Dad traded for the Nichols & Shepard steam engine! One thing I learned to love the Tyler Special. Earl Tyler often stopped off at Eddies Corner on his way back to Moore from the Tyler Farm. This was his thing. Buttered toast, Oyster Stew made from half & half with a big chunk of butter floating until it melted. (I didn't know anything about cholesterol back then!)

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This was back in 1973, when my late friend Scotty Zion Construction Company was moving the Kolin (Montana Elevator) was being moved to Moore, Montana. They stopped on the highway and went in to eat. They had flagmen out. I think that truck in the middle hauling the elevator mover beams was an IH R-220?

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After they left here, the next place was past the farm where my wife grew up. She went to work at Eddies Corner at age 14, as a waitress for .50¢ per hour. After school and weekend days. 

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After school when I went to Moore High School, Eddies Corner was the gathering place many times. I'd like to have every dime and quarter (real silver) I put into their juke box and these remote gadgets.

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I have several different ones of these. This was the earliest model with Duke Bauman's name on it. He bought it in about 1950 and built the bar onto it. My wife's aunt and uncle had originally built Eddies Corner. Harry Edwards furnished the lumber from his sawmill, and Don Edwards furnished the labor. (hence, two Ed's made Eddies!) My wife's mother's sister, Aunt June Edwards (then) ran the cafe and kitchen.

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I still have several Thorsen Tools I bought at the Eddies Corner service Station. The Bauman's sold tool sets. I inherited my father inlaw's set of Thorsen 3/4" sockets and they live at Silver Creek, like this ratchet. My best friend at that time worked the weekend and night shifts there before he left for the US Navy. I often spent time there with him. (and bought tools.) They also sold go karts and had a paved track at Eddies Corner that was very popular for a while. I had two of their go karts.

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I still have this patch for my white coveralls from back then.

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In more recent years, Eddies Corner remodeled completely inside and outside. This photo is before the remodel, but shows semi's parked out on the area that used to be a go kart track, and inside eating.

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This is the "new" Eddies Corner. 

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I stopped to gas up the Hyundai when down in the "old country" for a quick afternoon school reunion of Moore students in 2018.

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This photo was taken inside Eddies Corner within the past week. My old friend Bill Belden was there eating desert on his 101st birthday. Bills late wife, Roberta, was my General Science teacher at Moore, a few years back. Gary😁

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PS: Art, I remember seeing a lot of US Air Force blue pickups, and trucks, and missile vehicles stopped at Eddies Corner over the years. 

Afterall, Lewistown, Montana where I was born is one of two cities with a Minute Man Missile on display. Cooperstown, North Dakota also has one on display.

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just wondering if any of you ''steam guys'' could use some mobil 600w-super-cyl-oil.

our son has some he needs moved out of the shop in Mn.

Mike

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The WEBER wagon company was formed in 1845 and was purchased by International in 1904.  The WEBER wagon line was the premier wagon sold by IHC and my 1920 dealers book has 58 pages dedicated to the WEBER wagon in various versions and styles.  It's the second largest section (P&0 plows was the largest) in the whole book dedicated to just one product.

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On 1/10/2022 at 12:16 PM, Old Binder Guy said:

Art, They are completely different animals. The Prony brake is an attempt at stopping the engine with a braking mechanism. I'm not sure how those guys read the scale to tell the horsepower, but they do. The Baker Fan is just a rotating fan on a shaft driven by a pulley. Abner Baker built it to break his engines in at the factory.

Gary, your description of the two is of course very accurate. 

I will try to describe how the horsepower is calculated. I hope my description is as accurate as yours are.

Horsepower of a shaft is a function of the torque and speed of the shaft. Speed is of course RPM. Torque is expressed as foot-pounds or pound-feet. Either way you express the torque value, it is a measure of weight and distance. There is a formula that escapes me at the moment for horsepower. The Prony brake measures the RPM and weight. The length is fixed as the length of the bar that applies the torque produced by the brake to the scale. The brake is a constricting band type brake that acts on a spinning drum. I don't recall who figured out that the formula could be simplified by making the bar a specific length. That length is 63" from the center of the shaft to the end of the bar where it contacts the scales. This makes the formula HP=weight in pounds x RPM / 1000. The measurements are normally recorded at several weight and RPM points and then calculated. As the weight (torque) increases the RPM will decrease. You get different HP at different speeds and torques. 

I started building a half scale brake several years ago with a 24" pulley for the brake drum. It's arm or bar will be 31.5" long. The formula remains the same except you divide the product by 2000 instead. Unfortunately the pulley was not very balanced and had a couple of flat spots that would not work well as a brake drum. 

I hope this makes sense and is helpful. Most of my information comes from Bruce Babcock and Jerry Christensen. Both of these fellas have built, operated and written about Prony brakes extensively. Both are great guys who are willing to discuss them. I thank them both. I am currently still searching for a suitable large pulley for mine. 

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53 minutes ago, Roger Byrne said:

The WEBER wagon company was formed in 1845 and was purchased by International in 1904.  The WEBER wagon line was the premier wagon sold by IHC and my 1920 dealers book has 58 pages dedicated to the WEBER wagon in various versions and styles.  It's the second largest section (P&0 plows was the largest) in the whole book dedicated to just one product.

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I could NOT have been more wrong, could I?

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