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Perhaps the lady on the F-20 is pulling an early combine from the looks of the fabric hanging on the right rear of it.  The little Allis 60 combines had a similar arrangement, and the link chain behind her probably powered the reel for standing grain.

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They where all good Gary. If you put them up I will look even if a rerun.

My guess is the Chevy truck is a 60 to 63 as the windshield raps around more. If I could see the shape of the door in profile it would be no question. The early 60's the front top was a L.  The 64 to 66 was sloping straight line if I don't have you all confused now.

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I agree Gary and miss the local grain elevators, used to be each small village had 1-3 and were spaced 7-10 miles apart, could just see the next set coming as you were leaving if the landscape allowed, lots of those towns business vanished with them, recall an old security guard I worked with that had some real struggles with the bottle on his days off, woke up in his pickup in a field one morning and could see a grain elevator in the distance so he drove over to get the name of the town, turned out he was 30 miles outside of the city and has no recollection of any of it

Not sure if that was the same thing but worked with a guy that his Dad cleared land with some D8K’s and had I think rotovators pulled behind, they would brush and rake and pile and then pull these Detroit powered rototillers behind to chop up the roots

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9 hours ago, oldscoutdiesel said:

Perhaps the lady on the F-20 is pulling an early combine from the looks of the fabric hanging on the right rear of it.  The little Allis 60 combines had a similar arrangement, and the link chain behind her probably powered the reel for standing grain.

My Grandfather had a 60 or 66 Allis after he returned from WW2. He only had the JD a couple years and was his first tractor, purchased “well used” in his words. That was enough to turn him red according to hat he told me. First pic is with the Chevrolet Grain truck they had. My Grandfather and Great Grandfather used the AC to do lots of tasks around the neighborhood and gleaned clover seed among other things for neighbors to seed with. 

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Could the implement being pulled behind the F-20 be a very early Allis-Chalmers "All-Crop" combine?

How many other pull type combines had the straw discharge to the side?  And the use of an elevator, instead of an unloading augur may also indicate a very early model.

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For the hammer guys here. A guy posted this pic of a hammer on FB an asked what it was used for. Some said it was just a broke hammer but the original poster says he don't think so since he found two more just like it in a barn along with this one. Any of ya'll have any idea what it was used for?

 

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1 hour ago, twostepn2001 said:

For the hammer guys here. A guy posted this pic of a hammer on FB an asked what it was used for. Some said it was just a broke hammer but the original poster says he don't think so since he found two more just like it in a barn along with this one. Any of ya'll have any idea what it was used for?

 

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The parallel offset is strange. Never seen anything like it (and that’s rare 😊) being that the sides are set like that I’d say it was made to fit in a specific spot to do a process. That would be shoulder level or above or knees down judging by the angle. If it is cupped at either end it was probably for setting rivets of some sort as a backing hammer. This is all a guess from a guy who likes hammers a little bit 😉

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Went to a garage sale type event today with a coworker. The gentleman had passed and was a woodworker by trade. He was well known in the area. All the good stuff was gone before the sale started....  Did pick up a new hammer head I liked from a box. It’s a nice TrueTemper 4lb head. Got home only to realize I already had one.... Hi, my name is Todd and I have a problem 😂

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On 10/2/2021 at 5:34 PM, Sledgehammer said:

Went to a garage sale type event today with a coworker. The gentleman had passed and was a woodworker by trade. He was well known in the area. All the good stuff was gone before the sale started....  Did pick up a new hammer head I liked from a box. It’s a nice TrueTemper 4lb head. Got home only to realize I already had one.... Hi, my name is Todd and I have a problem 😂

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Todd. Hi, my name is Gary. I have a problem too. How many times have I gotten home with something I didn't think I'd ever seen before, and there is another one setting here just like it. Maybe I should be institutionalized?...At the Institution of Duplicate Tools?

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On 9/29/2021 at 6:42 AM, Sledgehammer said:

My Grandfather had a 60 or 66 Allis after he returned from WW2. He only had the JD a couple years and was his first tractor, purchased “well used” in his words. That was enough to turn him red according to hat he told me. First pic is with the Chevrolet Grain truck they had. My Grandfather and Great Grandfather used the AC to do lots of tasks around the neighborhood and gleaned clover seed among other things for neighbors to seed with. 

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Todd, there wasn't a lot to work with in your photos, but I may have improved them some? Your Grandpa after WWII, his John Deere tractor, Allis Chalmers 60(?) Combine and Chevy Truck. Gary😉

 

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Facebook is "dead" today. I'm wondering if it is a Russian Hacker with Ransom Ware? I've been gathering stuff to put here on Red Power anyway, so it's a great day!

Does anyone else have the senility problem I have when posting photos? I'm continually clicking on the "X" when thinking I'm posting the photo on my post, but in actuality, I'm deleting it and have to go add it with "Choose Files" AGAIN.😠

Robert Blackburn operating his steam engine in 1861 in England. It appears the boiler is inside the drum drive wheel?

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I know nothing about this steam roller. But it's unique. I've never seen another quite like it.

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A real unique steam traction engine is the Westinghouse. Their "milk bottle" upright boiler sets them apart from other upright boiler engines. Two women and a child pose with it.

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A friend sent me this photo of a stuck Gaar Scott steam engine. It appears as though it needs LOTS of help?

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I don't know anything about this steam traction engine factory, but I'd bet it is in Europe. Interesting equipment though!

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Generally seen digging trenches in towns and cities, this steam ditcher or trencher is digging drainage ditches in a field. 

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A big IHC Mogul (45?) is filling a silo in Texas.

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This appears to be four IHC Titan "Flaming Four" gas tractors and a 75 Holt crawler. That was likely a "few buck$" back then and it darn sure is a bunch of buck$ today!

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Loading McCormick-Deering 10-20 tractors on a flatcar at the factory. I see the RR flatcar is Canadian Pacific. I don't know if these are Canadian built tractors in Canada or what?

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This is at the IH Rock Island tractor plant, loading Farmall tractors on RR flatcars. The IH Crawlers at right has at least one with military markings on the hood. Several have street (rubber) blocks on the tracks and appear to be TD-18s? What do you think is going on and when, Hardtail?

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I think this is a TD-18 (I can't make out the exhaust pipe(s) for sure?) hauling pulpwood on ice in winter, in Maine.

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Here's an International truck (I think?) moving a little house to a homestead in Kansas.

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For Roger, is this Fordson tractor and Model T Ford Coupe in a Ford Showroom.

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For Roger, is that same Ford Showroom at a later date. Fire sure makes tears flow for this Old Binder Guy.

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Last, but not least, is this photo I took last week at Silver Creek of my 1940 IH Farmall A and its new addition. Sledgehammer (Todd) sent me a muffler for it about 15 months ago. It had a tin can on the muffler even in the shop. Last week I was shopping at the "ReStore" (Habitat For Humanity) "junk shop." Among the things I had was an exhaust pipe rain flapper. I thought, "Aw, $2... What the heck. Maybe somebody else can use it." After I unloaded it in Mike's shop, I thought, I should see how much too large it is? Lo and Behold it just fit! So this IH Tractor on a Montana Farm now has a rain flapper and a retired tin can. I grew up using tin cans for exhaust covers. But at "first class" Silver Creek Shed and Shop. we're all first class now, with rain flappers. Gary😁

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The 300 IH Utility doesn't have a flapper. It has the Ford tractor style under footboard horizontal exhaust. The rest all have flappers.

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The crawlers mid floor look TD18

The front one looks like a narrow gauge T9 fitted with a crane, possibly trackson? Looking again I don’t think Trackson they had a different boom style, what you wouldn’t give for some of those new 18 track sets now

One on the timber line hard to say, TD18’s we’re used, looks to have 2 stacks but side by side?

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Surveillance photo taken by the Mississippi Missing Melon Bureau of a man suspected of trying to smuggle Mississippi watermelon seeds across state lines. But after careful investigation, it was determined the suspect was attempting to smuggle pumpkin seeds to the Paiute reservation near Pahrump, Nevada. ln the photo, he is seen putting the seeds in the hubcap of the truck. Authorities stopped the vehicle near the Skinwalker ranch in northern Utah but the suspect disappeared and hasn't been seen since. Witnesses stated they saw strange lights in the sky shortly after his disappearance.

 

 

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Really appreciate you keeping your eyes open out that way TwoStep.  I'm gonna track those melons down yet.

I strongly suspect the Cartel in the watermelon heist.  Just last week, I thought I had a plan that would put me down on the border to do some sniffing around-----but it did not work out.

Wrangler had seen where the Border Patrol was using horses in an effort to control the rush against the border.  Wrangler immediately wanted to volunteer his services-----but much to our dismay, the use of the horses were called off.

We were both looking forward to helping out the Border Patrol and doing a little behind the scenes investigative work on the missing watermelons.  Oh well...........the investigation continues.

 

Was signed out of forum again-----can't pull up emoticans.??????

 

DD

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In keeping with this being a tractor related forum-------Wrangler refers to me as the "operator" rather than rider.

If we do in effect get the chance to help the Border Patrol out-------I will have to get ol' Wrang back up to using the old Texas ranch lingo.

 

 

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On 10/4/2021 at 4:38 PM, Old Binder Guy said:

 

Robert Blackburn operating his steam engine in 1861 in England. It appears the boiler is inside the drum drive wheel?

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Professor------

Based on Robert Blackburn's hat-------was Abe Lincoln possibly a steam enthusiast and we never heard about it???

Could it be that me, you, and Roger are all wrong about the "official" steam engineers hats?????:D

Roger and myself will be trying to scrounge up an extra tall top hat for you for Christmas. (Let us know if you already have one).:blink:

 

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1 hour ago, Delta Dirt said:

Professor------

Based on Robert Blackburn's hat-------was Abe Lincoln possibly a steam enthusiast and we never heard about it???

Could it be that me, you, and Roger are all wrong about the "official" steam engineers hats?????:D

Roger and myself will be trying to scrounge up an extra tall top hat for you for Christmas. (Let us know if you already have one).:blink:

 

DD

Anson, A fella in a hat that resembled Robert Blackburn stopped by one day and introduced himself as a steam engineer by the name of A. Blinkin. He was a tall skinny guy with a beard and wanted to look at the engines. After he showed me his hat, saying if I'm going to run steam engines, either use a good old Kromer polka dot cap or wear one of these type I'm wearing. Just don't wear one of those darn old railroad choo choo caps on a traction engine. He said, "I'd better be getting along. The wife and I are going to a theater play tonight."

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Apparently, A. Blinkin had told his wife about his encounter with me earlier in the day. She had this hat of A's sent to me. Some terrible, terrible (It's hard to call him a) human being shot and killed him.   

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I'll never forget that day at the Silver Creek shop as long as I live. So I proudly wear A. Blinkin's hat. Now we just need to fire up a steam engine to make it my new engineer's cap.

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I also have this generic, but proper cap for operating steam engines. Mike is wearing the correct Kromer polka dot cap as we pose with the 150 hp Case when it was introduced to the world September 7th, 2018 at Andover, South Dakota.

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I'm also wearing that generic proper cap in this photo. I'm posing with this engine's builder and friend, Kory Anderson. He built this engine from scratch with the original blueprints. It was his engine, his show and I wasn't going to tell Kory to wear a correct cap. Now at right is an old, old friend of mine, Chady Atteberry from Blackwell, Oklahoma. He's one of the oldest steam engineers with the most years of operating them and is a genuine Case steam engine guy. He has me by three years, I think? I can't tell an old friend to ditch that darn "choo-choo" cap. So it was voted on that he was allowed to wear such a cap at that event, just out of respect for his age and engine longevity. If I ever get around that engine again, I guess I'll have to wear A. Blinkin's hat? Gary😁

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I dunno Roger-------something don't quite sound right here???? 

He claims to be my age (born in 1943)-----I am wondering if that might be a typo and should be 1843????

But no doubt about it--------the black top hat sure looks better than the polka dot Easter egg hunt caps Gary likes to  wear!!!!!

 

 

DD

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I came across an Oil Pull that I might be able to afford coming up on a local auction. It’s one of the smaller models and has been repainted at some point....  Anybody know what model it is for sure?  Even looks like an experienced operator with it....

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20 minutes ago, Sledgehammer said:

 Even looks like an experienced operator with it....

Sorta looks like that A. Blinkin feller that OBG was talkin' about.....

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The model Oil Pull appears to be a 15-25 Model L or a 20-35 Model M because of the solid flywheel.  They had the same profile and they were built from 1924 to 1927.  In late 1927, they made a few minor changes including going to a spoke flywheel along with increasing the RPMs and they were re-rated as the 20-30 Model W and the 25-40 X.  They built these newer "Super Power" versions until late 1930.  After Allis-Chalmers bought out Rumely in 1931, Allis continued to sell the remaining stockpile of Oil Pulls as late as 1932.

The ringing sound you hear is the reason they got rid of the solid flywheel.  It made all the sounds in the engine a lot louder . . . like a bell amplifier. 

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1 hour ago, Roger Byrne said:

The model Oil Pull appears to be a 15-25 Model L or a 20-35 Model M because of the solid flywheel.  They had the same profile and they were built from 1924 to 1927.  In late 1927, they made a few minor changes including going to a spoke flywheel along with increasing the RPMs and they were re-rated as the 20-30 Model W and the 25-40 X.  They built these newer "Super Power" versions until late 1930.  After Allis-Chalmers bought out Rumely in 1931, Allis continued to sell the remaining stockpile of Oil Pulls as late as 1932.

The ringing sound you hear is the reason they got rid of the solid flywheel.  It made all the sounds in the engine a lot louder . . . like a bell amplifier. 

Thanks Roger. The ringing is interesting and would probably get old quickly running the machine.
 

I think the toy I pictured is probably from the period. The gentleman had a lot of antiques. His family ran a grocery and dry goods store in my home town when I was a kid.  They did well and invested in the community going back several generations. I would ride my bicycle to the store and buy candy cigarettes and BB’s in the summer if I had any money from mowing yards.  Simpler times.....

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I'm guessing your model Oil Pull is made of die-cast . . . I have one just like it on my shelf.  I got it 45 years ago and my son played with it a lot so the paint isn't as nice as in the photo.  They are still available today and below is a link to the company that makes and sells them.  Some are copies of original 1920's cast iron toys and many are new ones designed in the same style as the period ones.  I have several of them on my shelf and all were played with.  Other than paint chips, they all stood up well.

https://kestersoldtimecollectables.com/home.html

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17 hours ago, Sledgehammer said:

I came across an Oil Pull that I might be able to afford coming up on a local auction. It’s one of the smaller models and has been repainted at some point....  Anybody know what model it is for sure?  Even looks like an experienced operator with it....

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Todd, I'm going to call that a 20-30 Lightweight Oilpull you're kicking the tires on, since Roger is upset with me now and won't tell you the model. 

You should also buy one of these Oilpull Cup Grease buckets to keep your Oilpull in top shape. This one sold at auction five years ago. Rumely Oilpull Cup Grease bucket at auction sold for $1980.00 10-9-16.

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Also you'll need one of these signs like mine. It's important to run "Dewaxed" "Triple Tested" Oilpull Oil in your new Oilpull. Gary😁

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