IH Tractors on Montana Farm

[Roger Byrne]

Gary why don't you just drive your TT truck over to Racine (or trailer it) next spring and I'll give it the same linseed oil & turpentine treatment that I use for the Autowagon and the box on the Acme.  Your TT may not look like a new truck, but it will have a nice satin-black finish that would look a lot nicer but still have an original finish.  There are times when a piece of mechanical history (car-truck-tractor) wheres its history well, that it's better to just preserve it the way it is.  If someone in the future wants to paint it up, there is nothing lost and they can go to it.  It's just that I have seen so many 20-30 year old restorations that look worse than they did before they had been repainted.   As a side note, many not-so-perfect but original units, bring more money than restored examples.

[Rusty_Farmer]

20 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

Roger, can you put a shiny black photoshop paint job on this Model TT for Mike? Thank you, Gary😁

almost looks like a Christmas card with the tree in the box. Perception.

[Old Binder Guy]

Happy Thanksgiving to you Red Power friends. I hope you all have an enjoyable day, but don't overeat, like I likely will. I like dark turkey meat. I had to see if I had anything about turkeys or thanksgiving in my photo files on this confuser. I found some. This one is of the Mayflower arriving in the new land.

I'm quoting Red Power friend, augercreek: Tomorrow is a day of feasting and visiting indeed, but don't forget the reason we are able to enjoy the day. God has provided ALL that we have and has blessed us greatly, let us be a blessing to others also.

The next year after over half of the pilgrims had arrived did die that first winter. But they found things to be thankful for at this First Thanksgiving. My Eight Times Great Grandfather is wearing a helmet and sword in this painting. His first wife also died that first winter. He soon remarried my Great Grandmother X8, Barbara. Squanto and his Indian friends are there sharing with the Pilgrims. 

My Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather, Myles (Miles) Standish, who the Pilgrims had hired to be their Security Guard, or "Soldier of Fortune." He is considered the first National Guardsman. This portrait was done in 1625. 

Another Pilgrim has ties to Red Power too. This is a statue of Roger Conant, who established Salem, Massachusetts. Anson Sheldon is a multi-time Great Grandson of Roger. (Not to be confused of the choo choo cap guy, that Anson joins in the confusion of steam traction engineer caps.)

Farms raised turkeys, likely for Thanksgiving, here shown with a man and woman with their likely 1918 Model T Ford Touring car.

Turkey raisers probably didn't always die rich? This late 1926 Model T Ford Coupe had been a roost for this farmer's turkeys, obviously. During the Great Depression, many Montana farmers raised turkeys to eat the grasshopper infestations they had. They sold the turkeys to mostly miners, I've heard. 

Boys used turkeys for pulling wagons on farms.  

Apparently girls did as well!

This is a turkey grower putting feed into his feeders to feed these "Thanksgiving turkeys."

A circa 1910 photo of butchered Thanksgiving turkeys at the Abel Brother's meat processing plant on Lewistown, Montana's Main Street.

I've always loved old postcards of holidays. A few are for Thanksgiving.

A wild turkey hunter bagged his turkey with his Winchester Hi-Wall rifle. I'd be curious what caliber it is? They appear to be .40 caliber in diameter? They look a lot like the 40-72 Winchester I used to own, judging by the cartridge's in his belt, it should be sufficient to kill turkeys, any day?

Now this guy could miss the first few shots at his wild turkey, since he's using a Remington Model 8, semi-automatic. My dad had a Model 8 in .25 Rem. caliber. He used to also use it as neighbors rotated guarding our local REA Sub-Station during WWII. They were guarding against "sabotage." About all that ever happened on those nights were card games of rummy by lantern light in a tiny shack.

This looks posed, but I love it! The look on that boy's face, the kerosene lamp, and the coffee mill!

I only had one living grandparent when I was born. My Grandma Hamilton put out some awesome Thanksgiving things. Pumpkin pies, and everything to go with it. Mom brought her to our house and shed baked and cooked there. She was always kind enough to make me my favorite lemon meringue pie too. (She liked them too!) All of the cooking utensils this "gramma" is using fascinate me as well. Notice those sad irons on top of the warming oven! That "antique" roaster lid at right looks just like the one I bought at Walmart about three or four years ago. 

Of the things I looked for in our mail as a kid was Life, Look and Saturday Evening Post magazines. Norman Rockwell painted the sweetest pictures for all occasions. This is one of his paintings.

Maybe a tiny bit out of chronological rotation is this ancient painting by someone.

I just HAD to put this picture here of my Soldier of Fortune Great Grandfather X8, Myles Standish.

General Dwight David Eisenhower, General of the Army is shown eating Thanksgiving dinner with Army troops in Europe during WWII.

These troops in Europe during WWII are anticipating what those birds are going to taste like.

The Thanksgiving painting of Norman Rockwell's for 1945 shows a soldier home from WWII, that had finished on August 14, 1945, helping his mother peel potatoes for Thanksgiving Dinner. A happy time for them.

There are still deployed troops in far away lands. We shouldn't forget them either. Montana has a bunch of Army National Guardsmen in the middle east. The "war" may be over, but they are deployed to one of our friendly countries over their. (I can't remember which country? Probably the one Saddam Hussein attacked in the first Iraqi War? Kuwait?)

I don't know how this got in here, but I can't figure out how to remove it?

A logical Turkey!

There will always be International Harvester collectors spending Thanksgiving with tractors, somehow.

A little earlier McCormick-Deering crawler tractor here with me and Grandson Maverik at our place near Whitefish, Montana in the early 1990s. It happens to be an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm! Maverik and Granddad had been operating steam traction engines that day too.

My wish for my Red Power friends... ALL of them! And anyone else reading this page. Gary😁

 

[twostepn2001]

Gary, here are a few more steam and gas tractor pics along with some other things. First one is a Avery pulling what looks like some hay up a trail near Ft. Davis, Texas. No date on it, and l'm curious what those square looking things are on the wheels...?   Reason l know it's a Avery is because it says so....lol

This another pic of a tractor pulling something up another hill. Says it was also taken at Ft. Davis but no date either. l know l'll probably get a failing grade on this one but l don't remember by looking if it's a Holt or Best tractor.

This pic was taken in 1912 on the Spade Ranch (west of present day Lubbock, Texas) lf you look hard enough, you might see some polka dots on the woman's dress......or maybe not.

 

A Buffalo-Pitts near Houston, Texas, 1914

Just a neat old pic of a old JD and old car parked by a old house near Jonah, Texas. No date.

Pic of a old truck in Breckenridge, Texas. The dog looks happy......

 

l posted this pic just because it has a IH pickup in it. Taken in 1976 at Rule, Texas CO-OP gin. The big pile behind the Dodge pickup is cottonseed.

 

 

 

 

 

[Delta Dirt]

Burp!!!----------new recipe for finishing up left over dressing.

Fried country fresh eggs over left over dressing--------delicious.  Beats eggs over grits by a long shot.

My neighbors chickens randomly make deposits in Wrangler's hay rack.  Wrangler don't eat eggs------so leaves me figuring out ways to get them consumed.  Worked out good!!!!!

Hope to ship a dozen "Mississippi country fresh eggs" to Montana on next run by the AutoWagon.

 

DD

[twostepn2001]

36 minutes ago, Delta Dirt said:

Fried country fresh eggs over left over dressing--------delicious.

That do sound good!! Wonder what it would taste like to pour some giblet gravy over some fresh baked biscuits to go with the eggs and dressing......?? 

[Old Binder Guy]

On 11/26/2021 at 12:17 PM, twostepn2001 said:

Gary, here are a few more steam and gas tractor pics along with some other things. First one is a Avery pulling what looks like some hay up a trail near Ft. Davis, Texas. No date on it, and l'm curious what those square looking things are on the wheels...?   Reason l know it's a Avery is because it says so....lol

This another pic of a tractor pulling something up another hill. Says it was also taken at Ft. Davis but no date either. l know l'll probably get a failing grade on this one but l don't remember by looking if it's a Holt or Best tractor.

This pic was taken in 1912 on the Spade Ranch (west of present day Lubbock, Texas) lf you look hard enough, you might see some polka dots on the woman's dress......or maybe not.

 

A Buffalo-Pitts near Houston, Texas, 1914

Just a neat old pic of a old JD and old car parked by a old house near Jonah, Texas. No date.

Pic of a old truck in Breckenridge, Texas. The dog looks happy......

 

l posted this pic just because it has a IH pickup in it. Taken in 1976 at Rule, Texas CO-OP gin. The big pile behind the Dodge pickup is cottonseed.

 

 

 

 

 

twostepn2001, Thanks for sending me more photos. I'll bet Roger is downloading them as well? I'm not sure what those squares are on that Avery gas tractor's driver wheels? I don't know the size either. Roger will have to do that for us. I'm not a gas tractor specialist like he is.

Those two crawlers are Holts. I'm unable to tell from the front end perspective what size? They are 99.99% likely 75's. They could be 120s if I could have a side view (you can go back and take that picture for me, please?) so I could count cylinders and exhausts I'd know.

That Advance-Rumely Universal steam engine (Either a 20 or a 22 hp, depending on age of the engine.) I was able to add a little more contrast to that photo. You were right, alright.

That 35 hp Buffalo Pitts steam engine plowing appears to have unusual grouters on it's drive wheels as well? 

That John Deere tractor is neat. I don't know any of their sizes. It would seem an equal to a McCormick-Deering Farmall F-20? Except I can hear a terrible miss from that JD.

That hard rubber tire, chain drive truck must be assisting the US Army with something, unless that's a fair or circus tent behind it?

I had an IH Pickup of that body type era. It wasn't a two tone though, but the IH TravelAll I was furnished when I was a parts man at Bourke Motor & Implement was a two tone with those chrome moldings surrounding the second color. You know how little I know about cotton, though. Just what's in my belly button, my tee shirts, what comes on top of the aspirin in the bottle, AND what blows around from cottonwood trees here in Montana each spring. Gary😁

[Old Binder Guy]

3 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

Burp!!!----------new recipe for finishing up left over dressing.

Fried country fresh eggs over left over dressing--------delicious.  Beats eggs over grits by a long shot.

My neighbors chickens randomly make deposits in Wrangler's hay rack.  Wrangler don't eat eggs------so leaves me figuring out ways to get them consumed.  Worked out good!!!!!

Hope to ship a dozen "Mississippi country fresh eggs" to Montana on next run by the AutoWagon.

 

DD

Anson, You'd better be bringing me melons or pumpkins in my 1912 MA IH AutoWagon. I can carve melons OR pumpkins to match up with your choo choo cap for Halloween. Those eggs would never make it unbroken. You can celebrate Easter with them there. 

You wouldn't want to ruin this image of me, you know. Gary😁

[HMR]

All these old Texas photos remind me of those I took at the museum at the Texas State Penitentiary in Huntsville.  First is a Super M on a baler; next is a fleet of John Deeres, all operated by convicts. Are these JD "Gs?"  Do any of you Texans know whether they still operate a prison farm?  I know they discontinued the prison rodeo some years back.

Best,

HMR

 

[MacAR]

12 minutes ago, HMR said:

Are these JD "Gs?"

Those look like B's going by the mufflers. The As and Gs had mufflers that were the same diameter the full length; the B's had ones like the photo. Looks like they're cultivating cotton, too. 

Mac

P.S.: OBG, I've followed this thread for many years, even before I joined Red Power. Just wanted to say I enjoy it immensely, and please keep it up. Your photos and stories are most excellent. Thanks, pard.

[mader656]

Another red power member was on the mayflower too

Would be my likely  10x grandpa  on dads side  and going to assume grandma as well were on the mayflower

George Soule 

[twostepn2001]

13 hours ago, HMR said:

know whether they still operate a prison farm?

Far as l know, they still operate quite a few different farms. Two that l know of for sure is the Price Daniel Unit at Snyder, Texas and the 80 John Wallace Unit in Colorado City, Texas. They also operate a huge supply warehouse in Snyder and a trucking operation using inmates as drivers. l don't know as a fact, but have heard that the trucks are governed to 60 mph and the drivers are "short timers" that wouldn't gain anything by trying to escape. They usually run in convoys of 4 trucks, 3 driven by prisoners and followed by a fourth driven by a civilian.

Not sure where either one of these pics was taken. Captions just said "Texas Prison System farm equipment." Said they were taken in 1955.

[Old Binder Guy]

12 hours ago, mader656 said:

Another red power member was on the mayflower too

Would be my likely  10x grandpa  on dads side  and going to assume grandma as well were on the mayflower

George Soule 

Mader656, I'm glad for you that your are a Mayflower child as well. Not a Red Power member, but one of my best friends here in Helena is Steve Brewster! And Myles Standish's son Alexander married Sarah Alden, another recognizable name from the Mayflower. Gary🙂

[jeeper61]

On 11/27/2021 at 12:06 PM, Delta Dirt said:

Burp!!!-

 

On 11/24/2021 at 7:25 PM, Old Binder Guy said:

General Dwight David Eisenhower, General of the Army is shown eating Thanksgiving dinner with Army troops in Europe during WWII.

This guy with the general looks like he may have a tad bit of indigestion maybe he had one of Klingler's Turkey dinners 

  

 

[Delta Dirt]

On 11/27/2021 at 9:23 PM, mader656 said:

Another red power member was on the mayflower too

Would be my likely  10x grandpa  on dads side  and going to assume grandma as well were on the mayflower

George Soule 

 

Mader-----

The Mayflower arrived in 1620-    today is 2021.  Please excuse me if my mind is a little foggy on the dates and details-------but it's been a few years. 

I always "understood" that Roger Conant had come across on the Mayflower-------but in reading last night I have learned that Roger came across on a ship named "Anne" in 1623.  (as did Standish's second wife)

There is alot of info available on the internet concerning Roger Conant, Myles Standish, and George Soule.  Roger Conant apparently wasn't at the first  "Mayflower" Thanksgiving------ but with no more people than there were there for the first few years------damm good chance they all knew each other.

Conant and Standish definitely knew each other--------being political enemies.  (Conant:  Puritan;  Standish:  Pilgrim)   So-------it is only natural for Gary and myself to argue over polka dot caps, etc.............

I used to know alot more on the subject-------but seem to have lost a big bag outta my rememberer somewhere along the way.

 

DD

 

 

[Old Binder Guy]

6 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

 

Mader-----

The Mayflower arrived in 1620-    today is 2021.  Please excuse me if my mind is a little foggy on the dates and details-------but it's been a few years. 

I always "understood" that Roger Conant had come across on the Mayflower-------but in reading last night I have learned that Roger came across on a ship named "Anne" in 1623.  (as did Standish's second wife)

There is alot of info available on the internet concerning Roger Conant, Myles Standish, and George Soule.  Roger Conant apparently wasn't at the first  "Mayflower" Thanksgiving------ but with no more people than there were there for the first few years------damm good chance they all knew each other.

Conant and Standish definitely knew each other--------being political enemies.  (Conant:  Puritan;  Standish:  Pilgrim)   So-------it is only natural for Gary and myself to argue over polka dot caps, etc.............

I used to know alot more on the subject-------but seem to have lost a big bag outta my rememberer somewhere along the way.

 

DD

Anson, you said Myles Standish was a Pilgrim. He was an Englishman hired by the Pilgrims to be their security guard, since they were unable to take up arms due to their religion, but knew they needed security.

 You are welcome to wear your choo choo cap around any steam locomotive, my friend! 😉Gary

 

[Old Binder Guy]

13 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

 

Anson, you said Myles Standish was a Pilgrim. He was an Englishman hired by the Pilgrims to be their security guard, since they were unable to take up arms due to their religion, but knew they needed security.

However, I did NOT know that my Great Great Grandmother X 8 "Barbara" came on the boat that Conant arrived on. Maybe Conant hit on her and she had a dislike for him and went for Myles upon their arrival in America? But to cut Roger Conant some slack, he and Myles may have both been "confrontational" dudes? Do you suppose. They were likely arguing most about Kromer Polka dot versus Kromer Choo-Choo caps? My family was into Steam Traction Engines, not choo choos. This is the steam traction engine plow invented by my cousin Phylander Standish.

 You are welcome to wear your choo choo cap around any steam locomotive, my friend! 😉Gary

[Delta Dirt]

18 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

Anson, you said Myles Standish was a Pilgrim. He was an Englishman hired by the Pilgrims to be their security guard, since they were unable to take up arms due to their religion, but knew they needed security.

However, I did NOT know that my Great Great Grandmother X 8 "Barbara" came on the boat that Conant arrived on. Maybe Conant hit on her and she had a dislike for him and went for Myles upon their arrival in America? But to cut Roger Conant some slack, he and Myles may have both been "confrontational" dudes? Do you suppose. They were likely arguing most about Kromer Polka dot versus Kromer Choo-Choo caps? My family was into Steam Traction Engines, not choo choos. This is the steam traction engine plow invented by my cousin Phylander Standish.

 You are welcome to wear your choo choo cap around any steam locomotive, my friend! 😉Gary

Professor----

According to the internet-------Barbara was Standish's second wife-----married after first wife died.

Lots of second and third spouses back in that day-------lots of early deaths (especially in childbirth).

All interesting reading--------if I could just remember what I just read a few minutes ago.

I may be confused-------Did you say this is your great, 8x greatest grandmother Barbara????

 

 

 

DD

 

 

[Old Binder Guy]

4 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

Professor----

According to the internet-------Barbara was Standish's second wife-----married after first wife died.

Lots of second and third spouses back in that day-------lots of early deaths (especially in childbirth).

All interesting reading--------if I could just remember what I just read a few minutes ago.

I may be confused-------Did you say this is your great, 8x greatest grandmother Barbara????

 

 

 

DD

 

 

Yes, Anson, That was a Kodak Moment at the Fourth Thanksgiving at Plymouth. Do you have any photos of your Great Grandmother X 8 to show us? I like chicken hearts and Turkey hearts. But it looks like you will have to just "eat your heart out, my friend!" Gary😁 😅🤣

[hardtail]

Double D was never more appropriate as your signature 

[Old Binder Guy]

13 hours ago, hardtail said:

Double D was never more appropriate as your signature 

Actually, Hardtail, It's double smokestacks, if I remember correctly? Gary😁

PS: Since Anson is a "FORMER" (not an "EX") Marine he's been singing the Marine's Hymn since he saw my Great Grandma X 8, Barbara. 

The song goes something like this: From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of "Triple-E"...... I can't think of the rest of it.  OBG

[Delta Dirt]

Quotes:  DD.........."to Triple-E"

It's time to call the old professional in here-------no more guessing.

Roger would you pull your calipers and give us some accurate dimensions on the smokstaks pictured.

(we do know that Gary has photo shop capibility)

 

********

Serious machinist's question:

Am afraid micrometers would be too small???  Where do you start measuring with Calipers vs. Micrometers????

 

 

DD

[Old Binder Guy]

Double D, AKA. 😉Delta Dirt, You seem to be the authority on Double Smokestacks for Hardtail. Roger may not have calipers to handle the job? He wasn't in the U.S. Marines and didn't travel to Triple E, like You did? I wonder if Kromer could build her a "covering" harness with polka dots? Gary

[iowaboy1965]

Might I suggest a more hands on method? 

[mike newman]

1 hour ago, iowaboy1965 said:

Might I suggest a more hands on method? 

lot of 'steam '  being  generated lately, here,  following  Hardtail's  most pertinent  observation...however, as in the case of most old 'boilers'' ..maybe its more   ''huff''  than real  ''puff''............

Mike