Roger Byrne Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Yes Gary, the first photo you posted is of a single cylinder Mogul Jr. and the first ones were called 10-20s and later re-rated as a 15-30. And yes, they are basically one half of the same engine as in the Mogul 45s' and 30-60's and were produced from 1912 to 1915. I didn't bring that tractor up because HMR's fathers time line indicated the earlier International tractors I posted when I answered his question. When the two cylinder Minneapolis Farm Motor was mentioned as coming AFTER their first IHC single cylinder, that put the time line earlier than the Mogul Jr. There were also the later 8-16 and 10-20 "light weight" Moguls that were produced from 1915 to 1919. Again, I didn't figure they were relevant to his question. Those early heavy Moguls were some of the the best built tractors of their era and many survived only to be cut up during the WWII scrap drives. I did some "tune-up" work on a Mogul 45 a couple months ago and they are still one of my favorite prairie tractors. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted November 3, 2021 Author Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 6:24 AM, Roger Byrne said: Yes Gary, the first photo you posted is of a single cylinder Mogul Jr. and the first ones were called 10-20s and later re-rated as a 15-30. And yes, they are basically one half of the same engine as in the Mogul 45s' and 30-60's and were produced from 1912 to 1915. I didn't bring that tractor up because HMR's fathers time line indicated the earlier International tractors I posted when I answered his question. When the two cylinder Minneapolis Farm Motor was mentioned as coming AFTER their first IHC single cylinder, that put the time line earlier than the Mogul Jr. There were also the later 8-16 and 10-20 "light weight" Moguls that were produced from 1915 to 1919. Again, I didn't figure they were relevant to his question. Those early heavy Moguls were some of the the best built tractors of their era and many survived only to be cut up during the WWII scrap drives. I did some "tune-up" work on a Mogul 45 a couple months ago and they are still one of my favorite prairie tractors. One more question, Roger. What is the difference between the IHC 30-60 and 45? Thanks my friend. Gary😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 I liked this photo of a team of horses pulling a potato digger in North Dakota. A 16 hp Nichols & Shepard engine is pulling a threshing machine in a town. Apparently the some of the townspeople were admiring this threshing outfit too? Here's a big Mogul IHC tractor threshing. That might be a Universal of some type pulling something for the operation too. I think of how the early automobiles in the Model T era didn't have many "roads" to drive on. Most were trails and just prairie driving. It had to be exciting seeing roads being built by states and municipalities finally building roads for automobiles! This 14 hp Aultman-Taylor is pulling an elevating road grader. Roger, can you ID that automobile at the John Deere Plow dealership? I was guessing a Maxwell, but I don't see a "seat lever" and the radiator is wrong for a Model S Ford. So, I'm stumped. I give up! A city worker is grading a street in Fairview, Montana with a Fordson tractor. He's stopped in front of his mother's house, or we likely wouldn't have this photograph? I think this John Deere is a GP? I don't know JD tractors. But one at Belgrade, Montana years ago was this model with a GP decal. He's apparently putting feed up into his barn loft? This Avery tractor is a new one for me! After HMR's photos, I thought this might be appropriate? I'm not familiar with the Sterling Threshers that were sold by IHC? Here is one in operation threshing. The Deering #1 pull type Combine. I don't know if this is a Number One, or it IS number 1? A John Deere tractor is pulling a McCormick 121 pull type combine harvesting grain. A McCormick-Deering 123SP self propelled combine. I've run one of these! In later years, I operated this 123SP combine. It was new in this photo. I'm on the left and cousin James is at right. Note my revolver my big brother made me on Dad's grinder. I still have that revolver, big brother Bill built me at Mike's shop! I can't tell if this is a 123SP or a 121PT? I remember unloading grain from our 123SP with that type of chute instead of a grain auger. The Ford is an F2, I'm pretty sure. A John Deere "Track Loader" with an IH LA? or LB? engine. Yaeger Brothers had one too. I don't know how many bushels of grain went through ours, but lots. This must be an awfully early Massey Harris self propelled combine? It doesn't look much like the 21 Massey Harris I used to operate. From Facebook is this photo of a farmer on his IH Farmall H pulling a binder cutting and binding grain. I love operating binders, when they are tying right! This is my view of Mike on his IH Farmall M pulling us. Also an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm! My Great Grandson, Colt, is sitting on our 1939 IH Farmall H. We've never used it on the binder because it has the small size PTO splines. This is a Facebook photo, I think? Grandpa is on the walking plow while his son teaches his son (Grandpa's Grandson) to drive a Farmall A. How many kids learned to drive, on an IH tractor, besides me? The McCormick-Deering F-12 "Johnny" and IH Farmall A "Tony"! They're IH Tractors on a Montana Farm too! This was on Facebook. It was a "photography" thing, for an unusual photo. I notice the McCormick-Deering decals, but a late spring mounted seat. It has the late oil filter though, doesn't it? Not the 375375R91? One of the few parts numbers my old brane remembers, and I'm not certain of the R91. It could be R94 or however many improvements were made on it? A pretty photo though! Last, but not least is this photo taken inside the 1925 Model TT Ford truck. Often someone will put the photo of a 5-speed floor shift transmission vehicle on Facebook and they say, "Can you drive one of these?" I always love posting a photo like this one of the Ford three pedal actuated planetary transmission, and saying, "can YOU drive one of these?" Gary😁 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 I think the first tractor I ever drove was the 1957 Farmall 350. Could have been the 48’ H but I’m pretty sure it was the 350. I own that tractor now which Great Grandpa bought new. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Byrne Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Gary, to answer your question that is above your last post, the Mogul 45 and 30-60 tractors were pretty much the same mechanically with just a couple of engine upgrades. The 45 had a 9.5" bore with a 12" stroke and had a mechanical exhaust but a natural suction intake. The 30-60 engine was a little bigger with a 10" bore and 12" stroke and they also improved the engine by having both the intake and exhaust mechanically operated. These were the same changes that were made on the 10-20 and 15-30 Mogul JR single cylinder version. Below is a video of what it takes to start a big Mogul. This 30-60 Mogul is owned and was restored by Wendell Kelch and his the guy starting the tractor. The first thing he is doing is pumping fuel up in the two carburetors, opening the engine compression and then he is cranking up the starting engine. The small pulley on the starting engine is rubbed up against the big flywheel of the engine to get it going. After it starts firing, he pulls the starting engine back, closes the compression release and shuts down the starting engine. Now it's ready to go to work. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 It is the start of a couple days of confusion in my old brane. Changing times confuses me very much. After about three days it's okay. Gary😲 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 I was so amused by this photo of a boy watching television in a store window. When I was 3 years old (I'm the little guy) we went to Boulder Dam, Grand Canyon, then on over to Los Angeles. Dad wanted us to visit Erwin King and family in LA. They had been neighbors before they lost their farm in the dirty thirties. He's on a 30-60 Lightweight Rumely Oilpull, I think? Right Roger? Type???? We also went to visit Mom's aunt and uncle who operated a bakery in Watts, California. We went upstairs above the bakery to their apartment. There was a round screen television set, much like this 1940s version. There was a man talking on the screen. I remember nuzzling up to Dad and asking, "How did that man get back there?" A chuckwagon from yesteryear. A cowboy with his lariat rope at the ready. A Cowboy is getting on what might be a little bit of a spooky horse? A team of horses pull a potato digger in North Dakota. A farmer pulling a two bottom plow with a six horse team. A 1909 photo of Childress, Texas and cotton marketing day. A cornfield in North Dakota during hard times and the dirty thirties. I just liked this old water well pump. Mike has one just like it that I gave him, and I admire it every time I see it. Moving a courthouse from Hemingford to Alliance, Nebraska in 1909, with the assistance of a steam locomotive. I about swallowed my tongue when I saw all of these coal trains backed up to the coal loading doors of this transatlantic ship. That is one heck of a lot of hand shoveling of coal. I sure wouldn't mind owning this wrecker! Any idea what make this roadster pickup is, Roger? A Model TT Ford truck before Henry Ford started making bodies for his Ton Trucks. He just sold the chassis at this time. This was much fancier than the usual Model TT Ford cabinet maker cabs and boxes at that time. A Buffalo Pitts return flue, straw burner steam engine pulling a threshing machine. A Colean steam engine is pulling an elevating grader, building roads for the automobiles of that era. Yes the smokestack goes up through that front water tank. I thought this was a nice old threshing scene of an M. Rumely engine powering a Red River Special threshing machine in a barnyard. Isn't this an Allis Chalmers tractor pulling this pull type combine? McCormick-Deering IHC tractors! A Farmall F-30, Farmall F-20 and a Farmall F-12. A Texas friend posted thie picture on Facebook. It must be from there??? And last but not least, IH Tractors on a Montana Farm 8-22-2015. Gary😁 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Byrne Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Yes Gary, the Rumely Oil Pull you posted above is a 30-60 "Lightweight" Model S. It is an early series one with the solid flywheel. The later 30-60 Model S had a spoke flywheel along with the last version, the 30-60 Model Z. The Z was the same as the S with very minor upgrades 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 Does anyone here remember an old, old guy by the name of Delta Dirt? I'm kind of wondering if he is doing okay? He seems to depend more on his horse, Wrangler, which really scares me. Wrangler is no "colt" anymore either. I finally went to the main Helena Post Office to see if they'd heard of Anson's whereabouts. I didn't see his photo there. Anson's Great Grandpa Sheldon was a watermelon grower, I understand. He started out like this. His grandpa got into growing hybrid watermelons. It was hard on his wagon wheels though. His Grandpa Sheldon won first prize at the local Mississippi fair near Avon. And Anson's dad and uncles went from farming melon patches with horses to doing that farming with IHC McCormick-Deering Farmall Regular tractors and cultivators. His dad and uncle were so advanced with their watermelon farming, they made the front cover of a McCormick-Deering national magazine (Down in the oval). Very popular watermelon raisers in Mississippi. Anson's bloodlines continue that growing of watermelons. However I do have a problem with Delta Dirt. He was supposed to deliver watermelons up the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers to Helena. I went over to the Missouri River here to see if he was there with my watermelons and that 1912 IHC AutoWagon Roger was donating to this IH Farm of Son Mike's. Nobody had seen Anson there either. The last known photograph of Anson heading out in the AutoWagon with a load of melons was about a month ago. Even at 14 mph, he should have been here by now? I stopped and told the Sheriff that when he catches Anson, he should arrest him on the spot and I'll be by to drive away the IHC AutoWagon. Anson can come out of the woodwork and show his face. Although he is "WANTED" it's not "Wanted - DEAD or ALIVE." Wouldn't it be something if Anson was just down at the local clothing store trying to buy a new "choo-choo" cap? Gary 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Byrne Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I don't have a problem remembering Anson . . . he just posted a week ago with that steam engine bar-b-q photo. And we all know he knows what kind of engineers cap to wear! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Dirt Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Roger Byrne said: I don't have a problem remembering Anson . . . he just posted a week ago with that steam engine bar-b-q photo. And we all know he knows what kind of engineers cap to wear! -------one bottle of watermelon wine headed upriver to Minnesota!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Roger------I didn't know that I wuz missing on the class roll call. With those "offical certified" blue stripe engineer's hats on-------me and the "Booger Bear" both could pass as steam engineers!!!!! (well------near about) DD 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Roger Byrne said: I don't have a problem remembering Anson . . . he just posted a week ago with that steam engine bar-b-q photo. And we all know he knows what kind of engineers cap to wear when barbecuing! Roger, Roger, Roger... What am I going to do with you, Son??? Steam locomotive engineers have been known to wear those Choo-Choo caps forever. Then the Johnny Come Lately engineers wear them too. Our daughter Michaelle was asked to engineer this steam locomotive at Silverwood in north Idaho. The fireman wanted her to wear his cap. She said, she forgot to bring a correct polka dot cap, so she'd rather go without a cap. The fireman said he wore his because he couldn't find a correct polka dot cap in Coeur d'Alene, so he had to SETTLE for a Choo Choo cap. (I think he wanted Michaelle to wear it to save him the embarrassment?) At least this engine is on rails. The training manual specifies "Choo Choo" caps for beginning engineers. But seasoned locomotive engineers who know their stuff even wear a polka dot cap on their locomotives. Adjusting the throttle with the correct cap! Uncle Audie got his first correct polka dot cap in 1929. This is him with his young son Alvin in 1940. I learned to wear polka dot caps from the multitude of uncles of mine, all steam engine men who wore them. Son Mike learned to wear polka dot caps at a young age too. Grandson Maverik knew that when you engineer traction or stationary engines, you must wear a polka dot cap. When Maverik graduated to steam traction engineering, he knew it was mandatory to wear the correct polka dot cap. Maverik is in his mid 30's now. But he still operates traction engines with his trusty polka dot cap! Mike hasn't forgotten a correct steam engineer's cap either. Here too. I love that 1914 Model T Touring Car! And here. Here, still. But the guy who wears a Choo Choo cap to traction engine shows is okay as long as he is driving my 1912 IHC AutoWagon. And Anson and Wrangler don't engineer traction engines, so I guess it's okay if he wears a Choo Choo cap, if his grandson wants to pretend he's a Choo Choo engineer? Gary😁😁😁 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, Delta Dirt said: -------one bottle of watermelon wine headed upriver to Minnesota!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Roger------I didn't know that I wuz missing on the class roll call. With those "offical certified" blue stripe engineer's hats on-------me and the "Booger Bear" both could pass as steam engineers!!!!! (well------near about) DD Booger Bear would love being a Choo Choo steam engineer, Anson! I don't blame him for wanting a Choo Choo cap. He'd be like one of these boys on their bicycles, dreaming of pulling the throttle on a real steam locomotive. I've done it. It's fun. I even operate IH Tractors on a Montana Farm with my steam traction engine cap. Heck, they're a proper cap about anywhere. I guess I've not worn mine to church yet, though? Gary😉😁😉😁 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Dirt Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Roger------ I dunno 'bout the Professor????? I have never worn overalls (spell ??)------but wuz just tellin the Missus that I thought I wuz gonna buy me a pair of "them overhauls" (as we call them down south here) for lounging around the house. Most of the boys what wear them "overhauls" down here wear the blue denim Big Smith brand. I think mine will be the blue stripe version---------just to show the Professor that I ain't the argumentative type and can go along with the crowd (when they iz right). DD 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Delta Dirt said: Roger------ I dunno 'bout the Professor????? I have never worn overalls (spell ??)------but wuz just tellin the Missus that I thought I wuz gonna buy me a pair of "them overhauls" (as we call them down south here) for lounging around the house. Most of the boys what wear them "overhauls" down here wear the blue denim Big Smith brand. I think mine will be the blue stripe version---------just to show the Professor that I ain't the argumentative type and can go along with the crowd (when they iz right). DD Anson, if you go back and look a selfie picture above was of me wearing blue stripe "overhauls." Gary 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twostepn2001 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 A pic of Booger Creek gin way back when......well actually it's a pic of the gin in Merkel, Texas in 1930. l found a lot of old gin and/or cotton pics going through photo archives of several colleges and universities the past few days. Found this pic of a Case tractor. Don't think l've ever seen one quite like it before. Exactly what is it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Byrne Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 TwoStep, I see that some of the farmers at that gin used Ford Model Ts and TTs to haul their cotton. The tractor you posted is a 20-40 Case and with that type of radiator, it would have been built during the 1916 to 1919 period. Now to Gary and those Poky-Dot caps . . . well it's just another case of ! Old Binder Guy and I can agree on most things (eventually) but there a couple things that we will never see eye to eye on. Now Anson, when you go to get those bibs, remember that they are sized by how big you are at the BELLY, not your normal pants size . . . that is unless you're are one of those young, skinny, less experienced guys. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, twostepn2001 said: A pic of Booger Creek gin way back when......well actually it's a pic of the gin in Merkel, Texas in 1930. l found a lot of old gin and/or cotton pics going through photo archives of several colleges and universities the past few days. Found this pic of a Case tractor. Don't think l've ever seen one quite like it before. Exactly what is it? twostepn2001, Wow! two great photos there. I love that Model TT Ford chassis with the big wooden box. And this tractor is a late model JI Case 20-40 gas tractor. Gary😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Roger Byrne said: TwoStep, I see that some of the farmers at that gin used Ford Model Ts and TTs to haul their cotton. The tractor you posted is a 20-40 Case and with that type of radiator, it would have been built during the 1916 to 1919 period. Now to Gary and those Poky-Dot caps . . . well it's just another case of ! Old Binder Guy and I can agree on most things (eventually) but there a couple things that we will see eye to eye on. Now Anson, when you go to get those bibs, remember that they are sized by how big you are at the BELLY, not your normal pants size . . . that is unless your are one of those young, less experienced guys. Sorry, Roger, I didn't see your answer about the 20-40 Case. Is that emoji of Anson and Wrangler, above? Gary😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Delta Dirt Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Sometime late last night on the western channel following Gunsmoke, "Wild West Chronicles" was featuring a show on Charles Russell (western artist) from Montana. I was familiar with Russell since We have discussed Charles Russell right here on the old codgers classroom------thanks to the Professor. Channel 364 on our satelite (Direct TV)------ I fully expected Bat Masterson to interview the Professor but they missed him-------hopefully next time???? DD 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twostepn2001 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 l found this pic while l was prowling through the archives of Hardin-Simmons University in Abilene,Texas. l found this pic of a old cotton gin in central Texas taken in 1894. Caption says taken on the "southeast side. Malone's gin showing seed house & boiler room." My question is what kind of hat would you wear operating a steam engine running a cotton gin? Would it be stripedy one or a polka dotty kind? Inquiring minds wants to know..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, twostepn2001 said: l found this pic while l was prowling through the archives of Hardin-Simmons University in Abilene,Texas. l found this pic of a old cotton gin in central Texas taken in 1894. Caption says taken on the "southeast side. Malone's gin showing seed house & boiler room." My question is what kind of hat would you wear operating a steam engine running a cotton gin? Would it be stripedy one or a polka dotty kind? Inquiring minds wants to know..... A cotton one 😊 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twostepn2001 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 38 minutes ago, Sledgehammer said: A cotton one 😊 Does that mean that Delta Dirt or Tony Ramos would have to develop a new type of cotton that grows with stripes or polka dots? lf they could grow it we can gin it at Booger Creek.....😎 And you can haul it with your cabover KW. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Binder Guy Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, Sledgehammer said: A cotton one 😊 A cotton Polkadotty one in the boiler room! If Roger and Anson can't take the heat, they need to exit the boiler room with their striped Choo Choo caps. Gary! 😁😉 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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