IH Tractors on Montana Farm

[Old Binder Guy]

On 10/24/2021 at 10:44 AM, HMR said:

Roger Byrne:  man, you are like a computer!  Type in the question and immediately out comes the correct answer!  Thank you also for the additional info and the difference between the two models of the Avery.

Here's the next one from Daddy's old pics:

 

Is this the Case 110 steamer that he always talked about?  That is he at the controls custom threshing up in North Dakota.

I also should have expounded more about the smoke box in regards to the 32 hp Case your dad was running.  

Notice the shortness of the boiler barrel under the smokestack, which is the smoke box of the early 32 that must be either 1908 or 1909.

This is that same Mt. Pleasant, Iowa 110 case from 1910. If you click on the photo, you'll see that there is a single rivet row on this lengthened smoke box that came out in  1910. Behind the smoke box, is the "triple rivet, lap seam" boiler barrel. The upper portion of that lap seam boiler laps over the bottom side that is underneath the upper portion and triple rivited.

This is the newest 110 hp Case extant. It belongs to the Young family here in Montana. But I believe it now lives at Rollag, Minnesota. Notice the late boilers used after 1910. They were called a "butt-strap" boiler. Notice the rivet rows on the boiler barrel and smokebox. They put a strap plate inside the barrel, and the strap plate on the outside with four rows of rivets on the strap, as the cylindrical part of the boiler barrel butts together.

I decided to put this photo in of a long smokebox, round top steam dome boiler being riveted by two men at the J.I. Case factory in Racine, Wisconsin.    Gary 😁

[mike newman]

7 hours ago, jeeper61 said:

TD-40 on the company magazine 

...just to go with Jeeper61's  picture.....My Dad on his TD 40. complete  with factory supplied winch....picture taken pre WW2..Note the ''filled in "'   sprockets.....

Mike

[Sledgehammer]

Nice pics HMR. Always enjoy those family pics, even when they aren’t my family. Pretty special to have. 

[Roger Byrne]

Yes HMR, that is likely a front view of the same 40-80 Avery you posted earlier.  I told you Gary would have something to say about your Case photo.

[Sledgehammer]

2 hours ago, Roger Byrne said:

Yes HMR, that is likely a front view of the same 40-80 Avery you posted earlier.  I told you Gary would have something to say about your Case photo.

Is there a specific reason the treads are backwards?  Maybe a process that they needed to be that way for?

[Old Binder Guy]

On 10/27/2021 at 12:58 AM, mike newman said:

...just to go with Jeeper61's  picture.....My Dad on his TD 40. complete  with factory supplied winch....picture taken pre WW2..Note the ''filled in "'   sprockets.....

Mike

Mike, thank you for that photo of your dad on that Industrial TD-40. They came with the rock guard rear sprockets, widened frame, widened pads, a crankcase guard and the front brush guard for the radiator. Ours had the winch, but they took off the brush guard and crankcase guard because it was used for farming and pulling a "Carry-All" scraper building farm dams for livestock. This one is an "International" and not a McCormick-Deering, like our other ones, and has an aluminum stamped emblem with International. This one was pre-WWII. During WWII, it was used to make lengthened B-17 runways at the Lewistown, Montana Airport. The Yaeger Brother's bought it completely "shot" and rebuilt it. The "wishbones" that held the the track rails held aligned were even broken off. And that shafting has to be three inches diameter of cast steel. Dad welded them back into place and they are still holding, according to my cousins who ended up with this TD-40 when the brothers split up their partnership. 

The industrial is the middle TD-40 with the rear mounted winch, in this photo where Dad got his TD-40 dozer crawler stuck. This photo reveals how much wider the Industrials were. Their track pads or grousers are wider and spaced further from the body of the crawler on the inside. This is the first TD-40 TracTracTor I ever crank started at age 10.

This is Dad's dozer crawler with my nephew (his grandson) Randy on it. He's 65 years old now! Notice it has standard sprockets. The front TD-40 in the "stuck photo" above also had standard sprockets. We traded this unit in on the first TD-18A we bought. My cousins also bought this one from Bourke Motor & Implement in Lewistown.

This is son Mike and nephew Randy moving the Case steam engine out of the shed with our McCormick-Deering TD-40 TracTracTor. It has the "rock guard" sprockets as well. But it came originally with open sprockets. It got new sprockets during it's 1950 rebuild from crank to PTO by uncle Audie. It had been worn out in the 1930s and early 1940s, logging in central Montana. The McCormick-Deering dealership of Bourke Motor rebuilt it completely during WWII under the Blue Ribbon program. All parts, genuine IHC and when finished, painted red, "like the new ones!"  (But, I repainted it back to Gray like it is supposed to be. It was built in July 1936.

PS: These are all IH Tractors on a Montana Farm!

I added this Blue Ribbon Service mailer.

This is another later IH Blue Ribbon Service bulletin.

This is a McCormick-Deering service vehicle with Blue Ribbon Service working on a Farmall F-20.

My 1943 McCormick-Deering Blue Ribbon Service lapel pin. Anson and I like this year!

I had to post this sign from ancient times, when it hung on the Bourke Motor & Implement Dealership for McCormick-Deering in Lewistown, Montana. I worked for them a couple of different times. The day JFK was shot was the first time. I worked there much of 1974, 1975 and part of 1976 as a salesman and parts man.

I had to post this signature of the sign painter in Lewistown. He was somewhat famous.

Ed McGivern's Sign Shop at 108 West Main in Lewistown.

This is Ed McGivern, the sign painter from Lewistown, Montana. I remember him painting gold leaf signs on doors of attorneys, doctors and dentists in the Montana Building and the Bank Electric Building in that town. He was also the fastest gun alive at that time.

The October 1974 issue of American Rifleman had a writeup about McGivern and his timed feat in Lead, South Dakota. The target shot with five holes through it in the bullseye in 9/20th second. He only used revolvers, as automatic pistols wouldn't function fast enough.

My late father in-law, Lynn Simpson used to work with McGivern's son at Marshall-Wells Hardware in Great Falls, Montana. Lynn told me that every summer, the son took off early on Fridays to help his father at Montana fairs. The son's favorite "trick" was to throw a (?5/8" or 3/4"?) flat washer into the air. Ed would draw and shoot. The son would pick up the washer and hold it up with a hole through the washer (naturally!). Then the son would paste a postage stamp on the washer and throw it up again. This time there was a bullet hole through the postage stamp!

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McGivern entertained Fergus County's Central Montana Fair crowd at Lewistown's Fairgrounds. I didn't see this photo being made, but I do remember him shooting there in the late 1940s. In this photo, five clay pigeons were thrown into the air. All five of them have been splattered by McGivern's five bullets in the air.  Gary😁

PS: Here I am building a clock again, when only the time of day was needed. Rainman

[Old Binder Guy]

31 minutes ago, Sledgehammer said:

Is there a specific reason the treads are backwards?  Maybe a process that they needed to be that way for?

Todd, the usual reason for turning the drive wheels around, making the grouters "backwards" is the gear wear. Then it gave the gearing a new side to work on. If there was another reason for this 40-80 Avery tractor, I don't know what it might have been? Gary😉

[Sledgehammer]

8 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

Mike, thank you for that photo of your dad on that Industrial TD-40. They came with the rock guard rear sprockets, widened frame, widened pads, a crankcase guard and the front brush guard for the radiator. Ours had the winch, but they took off the brush guard and crankcase guard because it was used for farming and pulling a "Carry-All" scraper building farm dams for livestock. This one is an "International" and not a McCormick-Deering, like our other ones, and has an aluminum stamped emblem with International. This one was pre-WWII. During WWII, it was used to make lengthened B-17 runways at the Lewistown, Montana Airport. The Yaeger Brother's bought it completely "shot" and rebuilt it. The "wishbones" that held the the track rails held aligned were even broken off. And that shafting has to be three inches diameter of cast steel. Dad welded them back into place and they are still holding, according to my cousins who ended up with this TD-40 when the brothers split up their partnership. 

The industrial is the middle TD-40 with the rear mounted winch, in this photo where Dad got his TD-40 dozer crawler stuck. This photo reveals how much wider the Industrials were. Their track pads or grousers are wider and spaced further from the body of the crawler on the inside. This is the first TD-40 TracTracTor I ever crank started at age 10.

This is Dad's dozer crawler with my nephew (his grandson) Randy on it. He's 65 years old now! Notice it has standard sprockets. The front TD-40 in the "stuck photo" above also had standard sprockets. We traded this unit in on the first TD-18A we bought. My cousins also bought this one from Bourke Motor & Implement in Lewistown.

This is son Mike and nephew Randy moving the Case steam engine out of the shed with our McCormick-Deering TD-40 TracTracTor. It has the "rock guard" sprockets as well. But it came originally with open sprockets. It got new sprockets during it's 1950 rebuild from crank to PTO by uncle Audie. It had been worn out in the 1930s and early 1940s, logging in central Montana. The McCormick-Deering dealership of Bourke Motor rebuilt it completely during WWII under the Blue Ribbon program. All parts, genuine IHC and when finished, painted red, "like the new ones!"  (But, I repainted it back to Gray like it is supposed to be. It was built in July 1936.

PS: These are all IH Tractors on a Montana Farm!

I added this Blue Ribbon Service mailer.

This is another later IH Blue Ribbon Service bulletin.

This is a McCormick-Deering service vehicle with Blue Ribbon Service working on a Farmall F-20.

My 1943 McCormick-Deering Blue Ribbon Service lapel pin. Anson and I like this year!

I had to post this sign from ancient times, when it hung on the Bourke Motor & Implement Dealership for McCormick-Deering.

I had to post this signature of the sign painter in Lewistown. He was somewhat famous.

Ed McGivern's Sign Shop at 108 West Main in Lewistown.

This is Ed McGivern, the sign painter from Lewistown, Montana. I remember him painting gold leaf signs on doors of attorneys, doctors and dentists in the Montana Building and the Bank Electric Building in that town. He was also the fastest gun alive at that time.

The October 1974 issue of American Rifleman had a writeup about McGivern and his timed feat in Lead, South Dakota. The target shot with five holes through it in the bullseye in 9/20th second. He only used revolvers, as automatic pistols wouldn't function fast enough.

My late father in-law, Lynn Simpson used to work with McGivern's son at Marshall-Wells Hardware in Great Falls, Montana. Lynn told me that every summer, the son took off early on Fridays to help his father at Montana fairs. The son's favorite "trick" was to throw a (?5/8" or 3/4"?) flat washer into the air. Ed would draw and shoot. The son would pick up the washer and hold it up with a hole through the washer (naturally!). Then the son would paste a postage stamp on the washer and throw it up again. This time there was a bullet hole through the postage stamp!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

McGivern entertained Fergus County's Central Montana Fair crowd at Lewistown's Fairgrounds. I didn't see this photo being made, but I do remember him shooting there in the late 1940s. In this photo, five clay pigeons were thrown into the air. All five of them have been splattered by McGivern's five bullets in the air.  Gary😁

PS: Here I am building a clock again, when only the time of day was needed. Rainman

That’s a very interesting story about Ed McGivern. I have a book of his and recognized the name instantly. I never knew he was a sign painter but I sure knew of his shooting exploits. 

[Old Binder Guy]

33 minutes ago, Sledgehammer said:

That’s a very interesting story about Ed McGivern. I have a book of his and recognized the name instantly. I never knew he was a sign painter but I sure knew of his shooting exploits. 

Todd, Not only do you and I have a passion for and a passel of hammers, we also share the same book. Mine was my Christmas present in 1982. My wife ordered and bought it from Don's Store in Lewistown. I understand they sold very well in Lewistown, and it was surprising the lack of people living there who never knew about Ed and his shooting. My outer fly cover is a little tattered, from handling it so much.

Ed was well known to Montana police departments, teaching shooting techniques. He was also taken to Washington D.C. by the FBI. They wanted his fast draw and accuracy teaching. My wife's uncle took revolver  shooting training from Ed at the Lewistown Airport. He was a Lewistown Policeman. Ed set up a "catapult" that could toss a 55 gallon drum into the air. He taught them to shoot when it stopped to reversed direction. After his students got that down pat, he used a 30 gallon barrel. Then a 15 gallon barrel, a 5 gallon bucket, a gallon can, a tomato juice can and soup cans. He left the soup in the cans too. It was a virtual hit, when they hit. They continued on down for those who wanted more precise shooting. Ed taught the police to shoot from the running board of cars. (that'd be tough to do now!) Gary😁

 

 

[Sledgehammer]

28 minutes ago, Old Binder Guy said:

Todd, Not only do you and I have a passion for and a passel of hammers, we also share the same book. Mine was my Christmas present in 1982. My wife ordered and bought it from Don's Store in Lewistown. I understand they sold very well in Lewistown, and it was surprising the lack of people living there who never knew about Ed and his shooting. My outer fly cover is a little tattered, from handling it so much.

Ed was well known to Montana police departments, teaching shooting techniques. He was also taken to Washington D.C. by the FBI. They wanted his fast draw and accuracy teaching. My wife's uncle took revolver  shooting training from Ed at the Lewistown Airport. He was a Lewistown Policeman. Ed set up a "catapult" that could toss a 55 gallon drum into the air. He taught them to shoot when it stopped to reversed direction. After his students got that down pat, he used a 30 gallon barrel. Then a 15 gallon barrel, a 5 gallon bucket, a gallon can, a tomato juice can and soup cans. He left the soup in the cans too. It was a virtual hit, when they hit. They continued on down for those who wanted more precise shooting. Ed taught the police to shoot from the running board of cars. (that'd be tough to do now!) Gary😁

 

 

That sounds like great fun to me. I used to get out a pistol and a hand full of eggs. I’d toss them up when we had get together and “poach” the eggs. 😊. It was only after I hit them all I would fess up and tell them I had birdshot loads in the revolver. Wouldn’t get it every time but we used to toss up quarters and shoot them with .22 pistols. 

[HMR]

Some more early 20th century history.

I was browsing through my dad's memoirs and came across this:

"In my boyhood days we had many horses, both driving and draft.  We raised practically all our own horses, and I broke and trained many.  We purchased our first gasoline tractor, a one-cylinder International Harvester, with which we plowed, threshed, shredded corn, and ground feed....later we traded off the old International tractor for a Minneapolis two cylinder and a year later traded it for a 20 HP Case steam engine.  We also purchased a new 10/20 Titan gas/kerosene tractor which pulled three bottoms.  We had this tractor for 10 years, and I ran it exclusively.  In 1929 I purchased a 22/36 International tractor.  That was quite an advance: a 4 cylinder, 4 speed tractor on steel pulling a 4 bottom plow and big enough for threshing and other farm work."

 

My question for the experts:  what IHC models of this era (1899 to 1929) were one cylinder?  (The only one cylinder IH I know of is my Cub Cadet 125 with a Kohler K301A one cylinder!!)

What say the experts?

[Roger Byrne]

HMR, the early International could be any one of several early single cylinder tractors.  The two cylinder Minneapolis could only be a 20-40 Universal Farm Motor.  The 10-20 Titan was the most successful heavy tractor of that pre-20's period and is kinda a specialty of mine.  I've owned four different ones and been involved with the restoration of four others plus "coaching" on the restoration of about a dozen more here in the US and overseas.  Tomorrow I'll up-date this post with a bunch of photos showing the different tractors you're asking about.

[HMR]

Roger, I'm looking forward to your post.

Best,

HMR

[hardtail]

With the slogan on his business one could assume if he was talking you better be listening and his company was successful having all bills paid through their collections department 

[Roger Byrne]

HMR, judging from the information your father gave, I'd guess that the single cylinder IHC was a Type A or Type B International or a Model C Mogul or a Model D Titan.   If they did much plowing, I'm guessing it could have been the International C or D as the two earlier models had weaker gearing.

Type A or B

 

Type C Mogul

 

Type D Titan

The two cylinder Minneapolis would be the Universal Farm Motor.  It was actually built by the Northwest Thresher Co. in Stillwater MN for Minneapolis.  Below is a photo of one that used to belong to a friend of mine and I did a little work on it.  A very unusual tractor design . . . but not a very good one and was only built for about two years in 1911 and 1912.

I've posted a lot about 10-20 Titans on this forum and I'm sure the regulars are getting sick of seeing my posts.  They were the most successful of the early heavy tractor designs and over 78,000 were built from 1916 until 1922 when it was replaced by the 15-30 McCormick Deering.   Below is a photo of the last one I restored and also a video of it being worked in on a Baker Fan.

 

[Old Binder Guy]

"...I've posted a lot about 10-20 Titans on this forum and I'm sure the regulars are getting sick of seeing my posts. ..."

Roger, that day will never come! NEVER. You can fill this thread up to the brim and that won't happen. I've never owned an IHC Titan 10-20. But I once owned a gas tank for one! The world has been a better place with your impeccable knowledge of the old gas tractors (and steam engines too!) that you have imparted to those who had one, or had gotten one and didn't quite know which way to turn to get it going again. Roger steps up and just does it! I forget exactly what your hobby card says about your helping people in the hobby, but I know it is meaningful to so many, I can remember THAT!

The Universal Tractor.

It amazes me completely how much that Minneapolis Universal tractor resembles the Rumely Gaspull, little brother of the Rumely Oilpull tractors. Gary🙃😁

[mike newman]

......another elderly  example from   ''down under''

...at the local club meet.....

Mike

[Old Binder Guy]

The first type of CocaCola or "Coke" contained 3.5 mg of Cocaine. 

I've suspected that John Deere (Froelich, Dain, Waterloo Boy, John Deere, Dear John, etc.) contracted with CocaCola to give cases of CocaCola to early tractor buying prospects, so John Deere could come by and sell them a tractor? I'm not positive. I just suspect it?

Their first sale of a Froelich to this farmer at Waterloo, Iowa.

A 45 hp Case steam engine on the Case Incline at Winnipeg, Canada in 1913. I don't think this is Merrill Meigs at the throttle? I think it was 1911 or 1912 that he was inebriated and dropped the front axle over the end of the ramp platform on top at Winnipeg. He'd been their "go to" guy for the incline up until that time.

Merrill Meigs on a 15 hp Case at the Illinois State Fair in 1903.

Mike & Randy on Mike's Case Incline. This "hill" may not look steep, but you have to see it to appreciate it! This was the first time they'd climbed the "incline" with a camera for proof of doing it. They "warm it up" until it's ready to pop off (Maximum steam pressure) then it barely makes it over the top.

I just liked this photo of "stack threshing" and sacking the grain from this machine in Washington State. The three young girls haven't learned about the itch of chaff (yet)!

This is a nice photo of stack threshing and sacking grain. The machine is powered by a 22 hp undermounted Avery. They might be threshing rice. I can't tell by looking at the stems from here?

I'm not any authority on Caterpillars. These are after the merger, pulling likely Holt combined harvesters, but they don't even appear to be the same models? Maybe one of you can identify the Cats? My uneducated "guess" would be Thirty? Those Caterpillar grease pumps in the foreground have always fascinated me. (Well for a long time. Maybe not "always?")

I've had sort of an affinity towards old grease guns. These were volume guns. The one on the right is for the TD-40 track rail rollers.

This is most of my hand pump grease guns. The Flambeau red one was a JI Case grease gun. I gave it to my friend and Red Power observer, Tubacase47, or Tom Railsback who stops in to visit me at SC occasionally.

Tubacase47 is shown driving our McCormick-Deering Farmall F-12 a few years ago. But he's driving it past the 15 hp Case steam engine. And, this is an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm!

An Allis Chalmers tractor is pulling this McCormick-Deering Pull Type combine. A 1937 Diamond T truck stands by to haul the grain too. I'm NO authority on Allis Chalmers tractors either.

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A 1940 Huber tractor is pulling a Huber threshing machine.

This looks like a magazine picture of a Ford Major Diesel plowing in England. Borrowed from Facebook. He's doing a beautiful job of plowing though!

The International experimental steam tractor again. These high pressure tractors didn't perform satisfactorily and the steam age was moving past the finish line fast. So IHC scrapped the two models they built.

This is for our Gin drinkers. These IHC Farmall F-30s are at a "Ginner" in Texas. The one on the right even has a whitewall tire. A D-40 (?) International truck is at left.

These are itinerate Ginners children in this 1936 photo. It doesn't look like they have a very happy life, while their parents try to work enough to buy food for their family.

I'll need help from a "steampunk" (or a cotton grower) to identify all of the miscellaneous parts in this "International." I'll bet the owner has the only one on HIS block, though?!!

This Malvern motorcycle (motorbike?) was on Facebook and is from Australia. It is pedaled to start the engine. I've never seen nor heard of one.

Last but not least (I don't know if I've already posted this photo or not?) are these blacksmith/wheelwrights tightening the iron tires on wooden wagon wheels. Dad used to have the tire bender, shrinker and did this in his younger years. It's so fascinating to watch. The tire is heated to "make it grow" larger, slipped onto the wooden wheel's felloes, then buckets of water dumped on the tire to shrink it onto the wheel tightly (plus put out the fire of the burning wooden felloe). I'm too lazy to go back to see if I posted it, so you'll just have to endure it a second time. Or pass on by.  Gary😉

 

 

 

[Roger Byrne]

Gary, the reason the Rumely Gas Pull looks the same as the Universal, that is because that is what it is.  The Northwest/Universal company in Stillwater MN built the tractors and they were sold under five different names.  Northwest called it a Universal, Rumely called it a Gas Pull, Minneapolis called it a Universal Farm Motor, the Turner Mfg Co. called it a Skibo and in Canada it was sold by the American Abell Co.  In these very first years of gas tractors, there were few companies that built a small/medium size tractor so some of them contracted to have other companies build tractors for them.  In late 1912, Rumely bought out the Northwest/Universal Co. and continued to build the Gas Pull for one more year but ended the rights of other companies to sell them.

Mike, that is one great looking Type A International with the VERY RARE 2-speed gear drive.  Most of the Type As were single speed, many of them were only friction drive and some with gear forward combined with friction reverse.  The A Type was the first version made by International and production was from 1906 to 1914.

[mike newman]

21 minutes ago, Roger Byrne said:

 

Mike, that is one great looking Type A International with the VERY RARE 2-speed gear drive.  Most of the Type As were single speed, many of them were only friction drive and some with gear forward combined with friction reverse.  The A Type was the first version made by International and production was from 1906 to 1914.

..Roger.... the bloke that now owns it , is the Grandson  of the original owner.....It arrived in New Zealand   .....ahmm  ...a while back....just forgotten the exact time frame....It was new, of course....and the old 'tractor' was driven from the Port of Entry,,to the farm...where it has been restored...and  now retired  , gracefully

It did all the usual farm  work, from that very early transition era...from the six horse team ..to the technological  'marvel'..that superseded  the horses.....then , as more advanced  tractors  arrived on the scene....the old girl was ''belted '' to the ubiquitous    ''Saw  Mill''...for many years.....then cast into the hedge row.....Now has pride of place under a roof...and plans to truck down to NZ's premier   vintage show...which , features   ""IHC...110 yrs    in New Zealand ''  in January  2022

It is about a 600   mile trip....which ..as it is not comparable  with , for example, "" Interstate  15' out of California.....will take a hour or two.....but if it gets there...it will be one of the early  exhibits..for sure

The old tractor lives no more than five miles from my place.....as the hawk flies..  (we don't have crows in NZ..... )

Mike

[35desoto]

10 hours ago, mike newman said:

..Roger.... the bloke that now owns it , is the Grandson  of the original owner.....It arrived in New Zealand   .....ahmm  ...a while back....just forgotten the exact time frame....It was new, of course....and the old 'tractor' was driven from the Port of Entry,,to the farm...where it has been restored...and  now retired  , gracefully

It did all the usual farm  work, from that very early transition era...from the six horse team ..to the technological  'marvel'..that superseded  the horses.....then , as more advanced  tractors  arrived on the scene....the old girl was ''belted '' to the ubiquitous    ''Saw  Mill''...for many years.....then cast into the hedge row.....Now has pride of place under a roof...and plans to truck down to NZ's premier   vintage show...which , features   ""IHC...110 yrs    in New Zealand ''  in January  2022

It is about a 600   mile trip....which ..as it is not comparable  with , for example, "" Interstate  15' out of California.....will take a hour or two.....but if it gets there...it will be one of the early  exhibits..for sure

The old tractor lives no more than five miles from my place.....as the hawk flies..  (we don't have crows in NZ..... )

Mike

Mike ' you are alluding to our own Crank Up in Edendale early next year. Boy do we need a reason to get together and banish the blues of our mighty leaders Overly obsession at being a world leader in fighting covid( cough cough). You will make it there more safely than we in Auckland might may be still be under the socialist views of a social lockdown. Let's hope not - crank up is special

 

Cheers Brett

[twostepn2001]

That pic of the W.O. Fortenberry gin was taken l think in 1939. He was at the time what would be considered today as a "BTO". He farmed over 5000 acres of cotton land, owned a cotton gin, a grain elevator, was a jobber for Conoco fuel and oils. He also owned a general store next to the gin. He also did a lot of custom farming. The community where all this took place was originally Monroe, Texas but in l believe 1938 the name was changed to New Deal, Texas. He was instrumental in helping relocate farmers from the dust bowl areas in Oklahoma to the New Deal area.

Here is a pic of the same 4 tractors planting cotton.

 

 

Supposedly that is W.O. Fortenberry standing in front of one of the tractors. Not really sure what the deal is but for some reason those tractors sure are painted up fancy.

[Delta Dirt]

Steamer at work last weekend in Merced, California.  (from Tony's thread-----Tractor parade in Merced, California)

 

 

 

DD

[Howard_P]

The IH steam tractor--Per Guy Fey, the steam tractors were developed as a back up in case the unproven gas motors for the 10-20 tractors were not as successful as hoped.  When the 10-20 worked as planned, the steam was not pursued further, but this was not an indication that they were not satisfactory. 

In the late 1920s, IH built the power units based on the technology that was patented during the tractor development for two steam powered rail cars for the Milwaukee Railroad--perhaps one of the more unusual IH products. 

[Old Binder Guy]

On 10/31/2021 at 9:23 AM, Roger Byrne said:

HMR, judging from the information your father gave, I'd guess that the single cylinder IHC was a Type A or Type B International or a Model C Mogul or a Model D Titan.   If they did much plowing, I'm guessing it could have been the International C or D as the two earlier models had weaker gearing.

Type A or B

 

Type C Mogul

 

Type D Titan

The two cylinder Minneapolis would be the Universal Farm Motor.  It was actually built by the Northwest Thresher Co. in Stillwater MN for Minneapolis.  Below is a photo of one that used to belong to a friend of mine and I did a little work on it.  A very unusual tractor design . . . but not a very good one and was only built for about two years in 1911 and 1912.

I've posted a lot about 10-20 Titans on this forum and I'm sure the regulars are getting sick of seeing my posts.  They were the most successful of the early heavy tractor designs and over 78,000 were built from 1916 until 1922 when it was replaced by the 15-30 McCormick Deering.   Below is a photo of the last one I restored and also a video of it being worked in on a Baker Fan.

 

Roger, I'm going to stick my neck out and show everyone my ignorance, or maybe even stupidity. But Weren't these IHC Mogul tractors without a "front pointing" cylinder a single cylinder too? This was the Benes Brothers near Hilger, Montana, not far out of Lewistown. Is this a 45 Mogul?

This one was in central Montana. I believe it is the Benes Mogul?

Now isn't this the basic same tractor, stretched and another cylinder on the engine? I have this listed as a 30-60. Is that what this is?   Gary😲