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Me an Ma was athinkin' we might go camping up on the mountain so we is alookin' to find one them there campin' wagons sorta like this'un. Feller told me it was made by the same folks that built those Farmall tractor machines that they tryin' to replace mules with. Don't really believe him though cause also he says folks is buildin' outhouses inside their houses!! Bet that would raise a powerful stink!!

 

 

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When I arrived at Silver Creek this morning, Son Mike was finishing mowing meadow grass down by the barley field. It will be hay for Heather's goats. He was just finishing up and brought the Farmall F

A little background on the 1917 Acme truck.  I got it from the VanHorn Truck Museum in exchange for a bunch of work I did for them back in 1997.  I was a typical museum vehicle,  painted up but not op

Another load from Acme. l think there are also some crates of anvils and rocket powered roller skates on the deck of the trailer......  

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I bought a larger anvil and have been tuning on the setup of this one lately. Hoping to get it over to a machinist buddy and get the top shaved soon.
 

Not tonight though as I made a road trip to Iowa after a snow blower. Staying in Le Claire Iowa tonight on the banks of the Mississippi (in a hotel, not literally Anson 😊). I am about 725 miles up river from you tonight my friend. I would put a note in a bottle and send it your way but I’d like to leave in the morning tomorrow instead of getting a free night in the town jail for littering. 

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Hammer------

You are more talented than I ever wuz.

I never could swing but one sledgehammer while whomping on one anvil at a time!!!!🤐

 

Appreciate you thinking about me while at the River.  700+ miles via highway---------a helluva lot more if following the kinks and curves  of old man River itself!!!!

is Davenport where the Old Thresherman's show is???

 

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3 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

 

is Davenport where the Old Thresherman's show is???

I’m not sure on that. It’s too far from home for me to know very much about it. 

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12 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

Like that camper picture TwoStep.

You could head out in it and "Waltz across Texas" along with doing the Texas Two Step on the front porch!!!!.😎

 

DD

 

Might trade that 'ol galvanized tin wagon for a newer model Jeep-A-Bago. Might even get the propane fired model like in the pic.

 

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10 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

is Davenport where the Old Thresherman's show is???

Mount Pleasant

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Hammer-----

You need to check your  new anvil closely------could have John Deere's finger prints on it.

His original blacksmith shop was located at Grand Detour, Illinois (not far upriver).

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Old Thresherman's show is further south at Mt Pleasant (near Burlington)

 

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TwoStep-----

You need to keep what you got with the "tin box camper"-------it shows alot of class.

That Jeep A-Bago looks like it wuz cobbled together by some red-neck!!!🙄

 

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52 minutes ago, Delta Dirt said:

Hammer-----

You need to check your  new anvil closely------could have John Deere's finger prints on it.

His original blacksmith shop was located at Grand Detour, Illinois (not far upriver).

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Old Thresherman's show is further south at Mt Pleasant (near Burlington)

 

DD

edit:  Thanks Iowaboy

The anvil came from the state of Maine. I brought an IH model 80 snow blower back from Iowa. 

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I'd be tempted to send a bottle with a note in it to Anson from across the valley into the Big Muddy (Missouri) River. But it might get ground up in a turbine at Fort Peck? Otherwise our bottles could conjoin in St. Louis and head on down to Anson, Todd? Just an idea... Gary🙃

PS: I love your new anvil, Todd! That is a gem!

 

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4 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:
PS: I love your new anvil, Todd! That is a gem!

 

I’ve been looking for a larger one for some time. This one is marked at 230lbs. 

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Roger-----I know that I told you I wuz gonna buy us some polka dot caps for Easter.

Damm------if I am not too late again.  I went by the local welding supply houses only to find that the polka dot caps were completely sold out again (same as last Easter).  They now refer to them as Easter egg caps.

Supposedly the story is that someone out around Helena, Mt is having a big Easter egg hunt-------and the "Easter Egg caps" are a hot item out that way.

I dunno----think I will just hang around home and hopefully find a plain hard boiled egg in the fridge Sunday!!!!!🙄🤐

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Looks like alot of travelling going on down this way for the Easter week end.  Hoping everyone has a happy Easter------be careful in your travels.

 

DD

 

 

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Yes Anson, those poky-dot caps are popular with welders . . . maybe there are a bunch of retired welders out in the Helena, MT area?  I imagine they would also be in style for those Easter egg hunters too.  smily_ROTFL.gif.52212800fd5028afcd3616798e8585f4.gif

 

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Gary, I'm sure you remember this photo beside the Big 35 Nick from a few years ago.  Tuesday I was asked to go over and check a few things for them before they buttoned it up.  The guys doing the work on it (not the owner) had done a great job of cleaning, reassembling and painting the engine.  I only made a slight change on one of the D-valves and the rest looked good to go.  I think they will be having it under steam in a few weeks after the tanks are on and the piping finished.  Next time I see it, I'll make sure to have my camera along. 

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I think I probably asked this question years ago.

The physical size of any of those steam tractor always amazes me.

How close did the "lbs drawbar  pull" match up to the various weights????  Just thinking about the efficiency of transferring steam power to the ground------did any one brand have a reputation of creating more drawbar pull than other brands of similar size???

I would think everything started out with basic straight gearing and then improvements started.

Whooooooo------whoooo-----whoooo!!!!!

 

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Anson, Roger may disagree, but I think the engines sizes increased in bulk, and the horsepower pretty much followed along. The smallest traction engines built by a few companies, such as Nichols & Shepard, Russell, and Advance built tiny 6 horsepower engines. Case built a 6 hp traction engine before the turn of the century, but stopped about 1898. These companies must have felt a market for them? Eight hp, 10 hp, 12hp, 15 or 16 hp, 18 or 20 hp, 22 hp, 25 hp, 28 hp, 30 hp, 32 hp, 35 hp, and 40 hp made up the bulk of the companies lines built. Their bulk pretty much increased with their horsepower. It was the early method of designating horsepower of engines, but try to imagine what that number of workhorses would pull on plows. The horsepower I listed were Nominal horsepower. And for a "nominal fee" I'd attempt to explain that. That went pretty much standard until 1910. Case changed to "brake" horsepower in 1910. Case had been using Brake Horsepower on their famous 150 hp engine, they started building in 1904. I have records of the 150 hp engines built and the first ones were listed as 40 hp engines.

So our 15 hp Case became a 45 hp case with some structural changes; larger front axles and hubs that wouldn't wear as fast. Their smoke boxes at the front of the engines were lengthened. Reeves also changed over to brake horsepower too. Mike's and Randy's 20 hp Reeves became a 60 hp. Dad's 32 hp Canadian Special became a 120 hp. Dad's engine was also a "cross compound" engine. It used the steam in the high pressure smaller cylinder, exhausted into a "receiver" then that used steam went into a low pressure, huge size piston and cylinder. The cooler and reduced pressure had as much effect on that larger piston as the high pressure steam had on the small high pressure piston. The sizes had to be computed to work out and some companies that built cross compound engines, didn't function as planned. I have operated a 30 hp Advance cross compound engine and it was very sluggish, having either too small of a high pressure piston and cylinder, OR, it had too large of a low pressure larger piston and cylinder. The cross compound purpose was to use two pistons and cylinders, but use less steam, which computes to less water up the smokestack and less coal or fuel to heat that water. Most any increase in brake horsepower over its former brake horsepower was often accomplished by boosting steam pressure 10, 15 or 25 psi. Some engines used more weight to increase its pull. Some increased steam operating pressure, while some boilers couldn't keep up with the engine's (Motor's) use of steam. So there were mechanical engineering differences that didn't work as well. I'm sitting here waving my hands like my quarter Italian tells me to, but I could go on and on, speculating about certain engines and the manner in which they "manufacture" horsepower in a steam engine. I hope you got something out of this, Anson? Some engines were near perfect. Others were oversize paper weights. Gary🙃😉😧

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Did any of the Steamers ever get run through the Nebraska tests??

If I ever make it out to Nebraska----the tractor test lab would be on my list to visit.

 

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2 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

Did any of the Steamers ever get run through the Nebraska tests??

If I ever make it out to Nebraska----the tractor test lab would be on my list to visit.

 

DD

Anson, Not to my knowledge? Some steamers were put through the paces up in Winnipeg, but more or less a select few. Gary😉

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Nichols and Shepherd occasionally comes up in this thread. I was out in the pasture yesterday and shot some video on and around the old Red River Special while checking on the cattle and the grass.. 

 

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Roger, I'm wondering if this guy has figured out how to get oxygen out of his water and make hydrogen, to fire his Case steam engine? 

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Our Case is a "hybrid" using steam and hydrogen, only with just one spark plug, it sounds like a John Deere tractor running.

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Here's a 110 hp Case that has more problems than poor spark. It's fallen down on the rear hitch frame that holds the water Tank.

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It has little to do with "110 hp" I think but here's a 110 hp Best engine that fell through a little bridge.

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Here's a horse pulled shock (stook in Canada) or bundle loader at work during harvest.

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I took this photo of the Tyler's shock loader near Moore (Eddies Corner), Montana in the 1950s. I remember Dad saying, "We had one of them too."

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This is a McCormick Binder being pulled by horses and the younger generation is shocking.

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This is a 1924 John Deere "Spoker D" pulling (likely?) a John Deere binder with an "automatic shocker." The farmers preferred shocking by hand, so they could put the top bundle "cap" on the shock (stook in Canada).

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This 8-16 IHC Mogul is pulling 2 McCormick Binders with automatic shockers. (stookers in Canada)

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I still like photos of farmers binding with horses. Getting to stare at the south end of those horses headed north all day produced some extra-curricular noises as their hay and oats was being digested.

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I thought this was a neat photo of two men pitching bundles into a Case threshing machine's wing feeders. They're "stack threshing" too.

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This is a "carousel" horse power unit turning a threshing machine, stack threshing.

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Here's an 8-16 IHC Mogul tractor pulling something in corn country!

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I don't know what this machine is, unless it is for corn country, that this 15 hp M. Rumely steam engine is pulling?

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A Titan, I think, but I can't remember the nomenclature? Roger will "spit it out."

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 I SAID, ROGER WILL SPIT IT "OUT" AND HE DID. HE TOLD ME THIS IS A 12-25 IHC MOGUL, AN OPPOSED TWO CYLINDER TRACTOR. VERY RARE!  

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Here are some black gentlemen making firewood with their F-20 IHC tractor.

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And Roger will know the horsepower of this Rumely Oilpull pulling a threshing machine too.

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And I thought this was a neat photo of a Model T Ford Touring car breaking sod with a walking plow.

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This is a farmer and his wife with their Model TT Ford hauling hay.

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Here is a father and son with his new 1947 IHC K-model pickup.

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I always thought the 650 McCormick  International Diesel was one neat tractor.

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I need the help of you IH Combine aficionados. My Uncle Fritz had a 127 SP that had the engine up above. I used to combine with Uncle Bill's 141 IH when he went home to milk cows. This engine and gas tank above combine has this 'old binder guy' confused.

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Farmers aren't the only ones who can cobble, or conjoin equipment to keep it going. These loggers have mounted a Buffalo Pitts steam traction engine aboard a Shay steam locomotive.

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Aren't short pipes called "nipples"? This nipple was going into Boulder, and later renamed Hoover Dam. Those Caterpillars shouldn't have much trouble delivering it?

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This is a Firestone Tire display someone put together at their tire shop years ago.

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I took this photo Thursday at Silver Creek. There is an IH Farmall M in the photo (An IH Tractor on a Montana Farm), with the Reeves and Case steam engines. I'm getting itchy to pull them outside again, but we can't get in too much of a hurry here in Montana.

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This was out our kitchen window March 30th!  Gary😒

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I think maybe the machine behind the 15 hp Rumelyl might be a corn sheller. I see an auger spout on the far side and the blower on the front would blow the stalks into a pile. Maybe anyways. My uncle had a corn sheller on steel wheels when I was little that was of similar form. 

My #1 favorite tractor is the IH 650 and I’d like to buy one for the collection one day. There was one sitting about an hour from here and I thought it would be there a long time so I’d have time to track down the owner. Nope, the next time I was by there, it was gone. Dad had a 650 as his main tractor when he farmed full time with my uncle in the early 70s. He sold it on the auction when I was 4 years old. I remember sitting on it the day it left the farm. 

I was wondering how close you and Mike were to planting the field at Silver Creek. The rain we got was obviously snow for you. I’ve been able to get into a couple fields here. 

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I worked up a small area of a hay field that was taken over by cheatgrass. The old grain drill worked good to drop the grass seed. I found out quickly the wide front on the Super C doesn’t turn sharp enough on the ends. But the fast hitch was nice to level the spreader box to apply fertilizer. 

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Another adjacent 16 acre field was just dry enough so Friday we worked it up and Saturday I planted it in oats. The narrow front on the H allows me to spin right back around at the ends to seed from one side to the other. It took all day with the little Van Brunt seeder but the old girl got the job done!  I carry pails on the tractor to pick rocks as I go across. I can’t tell you how many times I got off the tractor but the fence on the edge of the field will never fall over with the stack of rocks around the posts!  When you were farming in eastern Montana, did you have a lot of rocks to deal with?

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I hope you did not stop too often with the drill seeding. You will have a gap after each time and a big clump at the stopping point. Only did that once before o got a talking to from dad. 

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It looks like a corn sheller to me as well.  I noticed the elevator that takes the shelled grain to the wagon and the blower blows the corn shucks or husks into a pile.  The fellow leaning up against the blower housing is probably covering the drive pulley for the machine.  The blower usually needed the most power, so the pulley was on the blower shaft.  In later years the PTO was connected to the blower shaft.  I've worked around a Minneapolis model E that a neighbor pulled all over the country with a 630 JD.  And my uncle had a John Deere model 6 mounted on a KB-8. 

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