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Lots of torch brands out there. That looks like it could be a “Victor” brand torch. 

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11 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

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Folks------after seeing the above pictures;  I have finally figured out why I can identify with this guy so much.

Not only were we both manufactured in 1943 and have travelled down similar roads in life (some rough and bumpy);. both of us are attracted to old scrap iron (the older the better)  -------but this just sorta proves that apparently neither of us knows any better??? 

I have looked just like that before.   Apparently------we will dive off into most anything-------in addition to waiting to the hottest day of summer to do it!!!!!.. 

Seems that when we came to the forks in the road that pointed to "Easy Road" and "Hard Road"---------------why is it that I always took the hard road????😳

Well-------at least the Professor is a "steam man".  I would recommend him crank up the old steam cleaner and take a bath before going home.

 

Still laughing----🤣

 

DD

 

 

Sometimes you just have to prove to the kids, you haven't lost all of your "touch' yet, Anson!

Mike and Pam, Jacob and Heather lived in the shop for (I think?) eight months, while they were building their home. (Mike is subtle!) That way he got a shop bathroom with a nice big shower, a toilet, a urinal and a "Mop" sink. What is now the "bunker" was their bedroom. The kids had tarped rooms upstairs in the mezzanine. The metal shop with the lathe, mill drill and a heap of old tools was the laundry room. His wood shop was their "living room." The bunker and the mezzanine are both carpeted, and the steps up. Linoleum in the bathroom, and they had the shop tarped in half. So it was not a terrible living condition. And it sure improved Mike's shop!

Our granddaughter Heather emailed me this picture of her new female goat, "Lucy." She has another named Rickie that's a boy kid. She has some "farm girl" in her. They aren't weaned yet, so they're still at the breeder's farm.  Gary😉

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5 minutes ago, Sledgehammer said:

Lots of torch brands out there. That looks like it could be a “Victor” brand torch. 

Yup, that's it Todd... I'm pretty sure? Victor. Mike had one and I had one when I moved there. It's handy to be able to trade around stuff like this cutting torch and rosebuds. Gary

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Hammer----

The torch tip appears to be a gouging tip to me-----I have had them with various angles through the years. 

But all of my torch equipment is Purox-------dating back to hand me downs from my dad's days.  Victor is probably more popular than Purox down this way.  (tips will not interchange)

Have bought several new torches through the years------but always had too many good tips on hand to make a change.

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Never got around to installing a shower in my shop.  Sure would be nice.

Have pulled a garden hose inside and had a cold shower over the wash drain on several occasions.

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Looks like the little goat just had a bath or shower!!!

 

DD

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A few pics I think you will enjoy from a local car show today  pretty clean original

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Being the forward planner that I am------I thought I would get my shotgun out and oil it up for this winter's duck season.

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It is  Remington 12 gauge----32" barrell----full & full choke;  but I can't remember the model number???

Don't see any model number or patent numbers on it .   

This old gun came down from my grampa (Nebraska)------then my dad-----then me.  Got a picture of my dad with it  when he was maybe 6---8 years old (1912---1915 +/-) .

 

Somebody fill me in on the model and possible year of manufacture.  I used to know but am drawing a complete blank now.

I hunted with it when in the 12---15 year old range.  Shot the old paper 2 1/2 in light loads in it.  Was always warned about not shooting heavy powder loads because of the barrel construction.

First time I have had it out of the closet in a number of years--------not sure I could swing it on a fast moving duck anymore??😳

 

Any help will be appreciated.

 

DD

 

 

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Based on my Google search------looks as if it might be a model 1882??  (manufactured 1882--1885?)

 

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Based on those dates-----the gun apparently passed through my great grandaddy's hands.  Looks to be older than I thought.

Great Grampa Sheldon settled in Cass County Nebraska in 1856 (after having ventured out to the California gold rush).  Grampa Sheldon was born in 1870---------bought land here in Mississippi in 1902 and then moved here in 1910.  My dad was born in Nebraska in 1905-------then moved here with the family in 1910.

Maybe that's a Nebraska picture??-----wherever, I sure like it.  Gotta make a wall hanger out of it.

I am lucky enough to be a native Mississipian.  Thank God for my southern drawl and redneck ways!!!🤗

 

DD

 

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Further "Googling" tells me my shotgun is actually a model 1889 with the more curved hammers and stamped Remington Arms (rather than Remington & Sons on the earlier models).

Progression of Remington hammers------far right is 1889 model.

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Did find the serial number (46,120)-------no positive year of manufacture;  most likely 1890 or early 1890's.  Lots of confusion on Remington's numbers during those years.

Wrangler suggested I cut about 16" off of the barrells-------and he would be ready to hit a couple of banks tomorrow morning.

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Hate to bore ya'll with this info -------but I might (?) be able to come back and find the info here.

Damn-----that Google searching can give an old codger a free drunk.   (and it is Sunday morning)  Gotta park it for a while-----head swarming.

 

DD

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Anson, I'm no authority on ancient shotguns, but I went to my trusty Norm Flayderman catalog. The first double shown is a "Model 1874 Double Barrel Hammer Shotgun." But it's listed as a Remington-Whitmore. The thing I noticed there is a longer barrel lock release, which yours has. But they don't have 32" barrels listed. Only 28" & 30" barrels.

Next Norm listed the "Model 1882 Remington Double Barrel Hammer Shotgun." These are only listed in 28" and 30" models as well. (However, barrels can be changed on these old doubles in less than a minute, if you had a 32" barrel in your possession.

Next Norm listed the "Model 1883, 1885, Model 1887, 1889 Double barrel Hammer Shotguns. It lists 10, 12 & 16 gauge calibers, in 28" and 32" barrels, available in Steel or Damascus barrels. And yes, if it in fact has a Damascus barrel, only light loads should be used. Your shotgun has the "1889 hammers." I don't know if they are original or not? (read the next paragraph).

Now, the thing that has me baffled, unless it was reworked by a gunsmith 100+ years ago, I can't figure out why it has the long barrel lock release lever. However, whether you're talking Remington, Winchester, Sharps, Colt, (firearms) IHC, Ford, Chevrolet, (automobiles or tractors), or Reeves, JI Case, or Minneapolis (Steam Engines), they all had a propensity to use up parts in the bins, before a model change happened, as they'd already paid for their parts stock, they will continue to use up some older parts on the newer model. That is a possibility as to why yours has that long lever? 

I don't intend to answer your questions, just make you more confused, Anson!! Maybe Wrangler can help you with sorting this out? And if you and Wrangler do go "banking" soon, make sure your double barrels are at least 18" (18-1/4" would be safer!) long, so while you two are being arrested for bank robbery, your Remington is plumb legal!!!! Gary😉

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Well-------that's both an interesting and more confusing report Professor (noting the long barrell lock release).  Your comment on using up existing stock probably explains that.

I read so much this morning------I couldn't comprehend it all.  But------I remember that in the middle of all the hammer **** series of double barrels that Remington & Sons went bankrupt and production resumed under the brand Remington Arms.

This gun is stamped Remington Arms with the new style "fancy R" butt plate (inaugurated by Remington Arms)------and the serial number matches in with the early 1889 production.

And------apparently there were just minor changes (like hammer design) that differentiated from the 1882----1889 models.

Worth noting-------somone stated that the new price from Remington at the time was quoted @ $14-------$23 depending on grade.  Can't argue with that!!!

 

DD

 

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On 7/20/2019 at 7:33 PM, Sledgehammer said:

A few pics I think you will enjoy from a local car show today  pretty clean original

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Todd, I see I forgot to thank you for posting this photo of a neat old "barn find" original Model TT Truck of 1925. I sure never realized that anyone was still installing the early style "cabinet maker" cabs in 1925? Ford Started his "C-cab" body for his trucks in mid 1923.

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In 1925, the square cab like ours was available in addition to the C-cab. But I sure would find space somewhere to put the one in your photo under cover. Gary😀

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Well I had to go hunting for this "thing" on page 3. I don't know much, but yesterday I got hand holes all in and the 15 Case filled with water. Last week, I'd changed out a leaky flue, as you remember.

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Yesterday, when I left Silver Creek I had water in the glass, ready to fire.

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Here's an IHC truck or trucks for Roger to ID for us.

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Here is someone's day dreaming at the Deering works in this 1890 drawing. It shows a Deering binder feeding a steam engine that threshes the grain, the straw feeding two boilers and loaves of bread coming out of the back end of this "combined harvester." Someone's mind was working overtime.

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This must be a Type B or C IHC tractor threshing.

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This one is a Titan tractor plowing.

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This tractor is a big Mogul plowing. Neat old Touring Car parked there too.

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Here is an F-20 on rubber. I hope he doesn't run over his dog.

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This is an F-12 on rubber in Texas. Maybe Anson can guess what is happening with it planting something?

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This is sure a beautiful O-12 tractor someone has restored.

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Here is a picture of a couple of IH Farmall H and Farmall M tractors being shipped by rail.

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And last but not least is this crawler tractor. I can't tell if it is a TD-9 or TD-14? Maybe you guys can tell? It ran when parked.  Gary😉

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53 minutes ago, Old Binder Guy said:

This tractor is a big Mogul plowing. Neat old Touring Car parked there too.

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Here is an F-20 on rubber. I hope he doesn't run over his dog.

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This is an F-12 on rubber in Texas. Maybe Anson can guess what is happening with it planting something?

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This is sure a beautiful O-12 tractor someone has restored.

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Gary, a couple of observations or questions. 

Is that an Avery power lift plow? I don't see any levers. The truck in the front and the right hand wheel with lugs make me think it is 

The F-20 has duals. 

The F-12 has a lister on it? I don't know much about them. Boxes for fertilizer? 

The O-12 is nice. The radiator with the raised letters cast into the top tank is early. The 3 spoke composite steering wheel is late as is the cast wheel centers on the front. Nice pictures. Thanks for posting them. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

Todd, I see I forgot to thank you for posting this photo of a neat old "barn find" original Model TT Truck of 1925. I sure never realized that anyone was still installing the early style "cabinet maker" cabs in 1925? Ford Started his "C-cab" body for his trucks in mid 1923.  In 1925, the square cab like ours was available in addition to the C-cab. But I sure would find space somewhere to put the one in your photo under cover. Gary😀

 

I don’t know any details about that truck Gary other than a local fellow’s name is on the tag. It was mixed among the muscle at the local show last Saturday. It sure was in good shape for original. Had been inside a dry place by the looks of things.  I posted about it elsewhere but I had to be in town that morning to help cook so I cleaned up the 686 and enetered it in the show.  The judges didn’t have their glasses on because they came and found me later on and told me to come get my trophy???? 

Not everyone got a trophy but I ran across the organizer at the fair last night.  I thanked him and said I was retiring from showing tractors.  He told me to try and clean the manure out of the tires next year (joking).  I just replied with “I thought that added authenticity”

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8 hours ago, 12_Guy said:

This is an F-12 on rubber in Texas. Maybe Anson can guess what is happening with it planting something?

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Just making a guess here but looks like it's a 2 row buster planter planting cotton. Has those "drags" like we used years ago. And that "canopy" looks like it's made out of jute bagging, what they use to wrap cotton bales with.

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12 Guy, you're very observant. I'd never seen wheels like on that F-20 before. That plow the Mogul was pulling is an Avery power lift plow. I should have mentioned that. Austin Monk had this Avery self lift plow at Belgrade, Montana in the 1980's. The fascinating thing was, the front plow shear lifted first, then the second, then the third, etc. when lifting. When dropping in the ground, the front shear dropped, the second, the third etc. They all came out and dropped in a perpendicular line, to the direction of travel. Therefore, "square."  Gary😉

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2 hours ago, twostepn2001 said:

Just making a guess here but looks like it's a 2 row buster planter planting cotton. Has those "drags" like we used years ago. And that "canopy" looks like it's made out of jute bagging, what they use to wrap cotton bales with.

I always presumed that the "buster or lster" type planter was used out west in an effort to roll back the dry soil and place the seed to the moisture.

Here in the Delta (and most of the southeast)------we ran sword or disc openers placing the seed in the moisture at a shallower depth

We could not plant in the furrow due to our sometimes heavy rains making the furrow a drainage ditch.

Historically-------farmers have always rolled with the punches-----adapted an improvised;---------as illustrated with the homemade shade cover ( covered with jute bale bagging as TwoStep mentioned).

 

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Professor in thinking about:  my shotgun and our AutoWagon;-----do you think Roger has a gun rack mounted in the mighty AutoWagon for us???😂

 

DD

 

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1 hour ago, Old Binder Guy said:

12 Guy, you're very observant. I'd never seen wheels like on that F-20 before. That plow the Mogul was pulling is an Avery power lift plow. I should have mentioned that. Austin Monk had this Avery self lift plow at Belgrade, Montana in the 1980's. The fascinating thing was, the front plow shear lifted first, then the second, then the third, etc. when lifting. When dropping in the ground, the front shear dropped, the second, the third etc. They all came out and dropped in a perpendicular line, to the direction of travel. Therefore, "square."  Gary😉

 

Thanks for kind word.  Some people may disagree. Oblivious might be their word for me. Lol. Those Avery plows are indeed interesting. Not much fun for the guys and gals who like to ride around and push levers though. 

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You ran when parked dozer is a TD14. I think I were one is parked,also ran when parked. But I think head was giving problems,but it has the same BE dozer.

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10 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

Professor in thinking about:  my shotgun and our AutoWagon;-----do you think Roger has a gun rack mounted in the mighty AutoWagon for us???😂

DD

 

Anson, Our AutoWagon doesn't have a gun rack.

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Likely a feller could mount one across the dashboard, if he was real careful to not drill through any of the instruments.

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However if we decide to use this "punt gun" we might have to lay it atop the fenders somehow? Or in the legway of the box, ahead of the rear seat? Gary🙄

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School us on the "punt gun"  Professor (not sure the AutoWagon could handle the hauling of it).  Not sure those two holding it could handle it either.

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I just noticed that the inside of the front fenders on the AutoWagon are open to the wheels.  Surprised to see that-------probably made for some wet feet and legs in wet or muddy weather???

 

DD

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We had the annual Root River show south of Racine, MN this past weekend. They were featuring J.I. Case and Crawlers this year.  I hauled down a few loads of tractors which included my McCormick Deering 1926 15-30 and 1932 T-20 and 1935 Farmall F-20, along with my grandpas 1927 Hart-Parr 12-24, and also my Grand Detour Chain lift plow. Here are some pictures too! A friend of mine came too and he owns the F-20 on rubber.

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Troy, you should post a picture of what the Minneapolis steamer looked like by Sunday afternoon.

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Re:  punt gun

Never have actually seen one myself.  Must be massive.  Anybody ever handle or shoot one.

I always wondered why the recoil wouldn't scoot the boat backwards across the lake.

I did manage to fire both barrels of my double barrel 10 ga once using clumbsy fitting gloves in cold weather.  Don't want to do that again!!!😳

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I agree with Ray 54 on the crawler most likely being a TD-14.

My old 1943 model is equipped with that same Bucyrus Erie angle blade.  No trees growing up through it--------but it might be attached to the ground from sitting under my shed now.

 

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