IH Tractors on Montana Farm

[12_Guy]

9 hours ago, Eric V Bielke said:

Thanks for the reply------the next time I see a F 12 I will have to study that system----can't see how you could drain the fuel pump of the kerosene

t it would take a lot of cranking to get gas back up to the carb

The carb has a drain and I assume that you would remove the sediment bowl from the pump. That should get most of it out. Then refilling the system through the primer should make starting easy. This should only be necessary if you didn’t shut it down properly by shutting kero off and opening gas and running till full of gas before shutting down. 

[Delta Dirt]

7 hours ago, ihrondiesel said:

Anson, when (IF) you ever get to hauling them watermelons up to the Professor, Iowa would be a convenient stop on your way to Minnesota (where I presume you’ll be loading the Autowagon). I could put you up for a day or two if you needed to rest and unload, say, a watermelon or three. 

Sure appreciate your kind offer.

Don't know what we will do about picking the AutoWagon up.  All of my satelite surveillance shows Roger has the mighty AutoWagon parked in the very back corner of his shed.  (I think the Professor may have spooked him with some of our conversations a couple of years ago)

I told the Professor that it might be best to just let Roger continue to store it for us--------it's much less maintenance and upkeep on our part.  And------ol' Roger is out there rubbing and polishing on it most everyday.  (He is retired now-----and probably needs something to keep him busy)

????

 

DD

[Eric V Bielke]

13 hours ago, 12_Guy said:

The carb has a drain and I assume that you would remove the sediment bowl from the pump. That should get most of it out. Then refilling the system through the primer should make starting easy. This should only be necessary if you didn’t shut it down properly by shutting kero off and opening gas and running till full of gas before shutting down. 

Thanks------that makes sense

[Old Binder Guy]

I don't often invite people to tell me how ignorant I could be at times, but I was following the bit about the IHC Farmall F-12's and if you shut the engine off or kill the engine, when burning kerosene. The method of starting it again. I don't burn kerosene with ours. Just gasoline. But you know how it goes bad. When I go to start it after it has set for weeks or months, it takes some time and cranking to get it started. Much of the early cranking is to get gasoline up to the carburetor from the fuel tank and the fuel pump. I didn't make any wild modifications. I just unscrewed the bleeder plug from the top of the casting and screwed in a larger 3/8" brass priming cup. Does that sound like a sane thing to do, to get (fresh) gas to the carburetor? It only takes a minute to change it back if you guys (F-12 guy) think it's a big mistake.  Oh, by the way... This is an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm.

Farmall Kid had the F-12 outside when he took off for some military training out of state. He's planning to mow some grass along Silver Creek for his new winter project. They're getting a couple of kids. (goats) I imagine the oats will be kept for the kids as well, this threshing season? I just work there... (without pay). But I'm so blessed to have such a great place and shop to play in and with.

I used to have this 1939 Farmall F-14 that had the starting gas tank over the carburetor, in the hood. I can see why IHC went that direction, after reading all of the information that came up here regarding the two styles.  

Also, Todd, I got another Blacksmith's Flatter today. I had to take a picture of my three of them. One is like new, hardly used. One is used and the one I got today is WELL used. It's badly mushroomed, but I don't ever plan to use it anyway. I'd use the newest one if I needed one.

For those who don't know or remember, a "flatter" is used to flatten wrinkled iron atop an anvil. Heat the wrinkled iron in the forge, than grab it with tongs and set it on the anvil. Set the flatter on the area you wish to remove the wrinkles and hit it with a big hammer.  Gary?

[mikem]

On 7/11/2019 at 12:31 AM, MT Matt said:

Sorry, I’ve been keeping up with the thread but haven’t had time to add much. I’ve been in the hay fields for about three weeks now.  I’ve put up 1,430 bales of grass hay so far.  The fields I’ve mowed have been given to me and some were very rough.  So I’ve mowed all of it with my A and a mounted 6’ sickle mower.  I can’t remember if it’s a #16 or #24 mower.  Here’s the fleet in a field.

I had a friend drive the H one day while I picked up bales.  Charlie is 80 and had a hoot driving for me.

I picked up a nice load of orchard grass/alfalfa last night. 

On the 4th of July I pulled a load through our local parade.  Sorry about the color of the tractor, lol.  I made four sales from it so I guess it was good free advertising.

Both of my oat fields have headed out and are filling. Gary, your oats looks very nice!  Most of mine is thigh to waist high.

I think I might cut the one oat field for green hay this weekend.  First, I have about 100 acres of grass hay to cut the next couple days. I replaced the cutting parts on my 12’  haybine so I can travel in a higher gear and knock it down fast.  This hay is done on shares, I cut and a friend makes round bales.  If all goes right, I might be done making hay for the year in two weeks. But long days are ahead of me!

I swear I can smell those bales from here-----nice!!!

Mike

[Delta Dirt]

36 minutes ago, mikem said:

I swear I can smell those bales from here-----nice!!!

Mike

I sorta got that same "whiff" way off down here in Mississippi!!!?

*****

Glad to know what the blacksmith flatter looks like Gary-------don't believe I have ever seen one before??

Although I have whomped on "wrinkled iron" using heavy flat bar and a big "F" hammer---------just always used the rosebud tip on the torch.  Never had much actual blacksmith experience.

Makes me think that I need to snap a picture of my welding table------made from a 2,000+ lb counter balance weight off of a Link Belt dragline.  (very stable for heavy "whomping")

But-------first, I will need to clean the table off so that it can be seen!!!?

 

DD

 

[Sledgehammer]

2 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

Also, Todd, I got another Blacksmith's Flatter today. I had to take a picture of my three of them. One is like new, hardly used. One is used and the one I got today is WELL used. It's badly mushroomed, but I don't ever plan to use it anyway. I'd use the newest one if I needed one.

For those who don't know or remember, a "flatter" is used to flatten wrinkled iron atop an anvil. Heat the wrinkled iron in the forge, than grab it with tongs and set it on the anvil. Set the flatter on the area you wish to remove the wrinkles and hit it with a big hammer.  Gary?

 

I would be happy with any of those Gary. Mine was mushroomed when I found it on the dirt floor in an old shed after an auction. I had not purchased it but knew what it was and asked the seller if I could buy it. He asked me what it was and told me if anyone had left it that I could have it.  I gave him some money and told him it was worth it to me and he seemed touched. A flatter is good property these days with metal forging shows on TV being popular.  They dont do much by hand or use a flatter on TV though.....  

I’m still building on my forced air forge. Parts of it are ready for refractory cement lining. I even have a high temp thermocouple sitting on the work bench that should tell me interior temps.  I’ve been very picky about this build to ensure proper fitment and finish.  There is quite a list of things yet to do.

[Old Binder Guy]

1 hour ago, Sledgehammer said:

I would be happy with any of those Gary. Mine was mushroomed when I found it on the dirt floor in an old shed after an auction. I had not purchased it but knew what it was and asked the seller if I could buy it. He asked me what it was and told me if anyone had left it that I could have it.  I gave him some money and told him it was worth it to me and he seemed touched. A flatter is good property these days with metal forging shows on TV being popular.  They dont do much by hand or use a flatter on TV though.....  

I’m still building on my forced air forge. Parts of it are ready for refractory cement lining. I even have a high temp thermocouple sitting on the work bench that should tell me interior temps.  I’ve been very picky about this build to ensure proper fitment and finish.  There is quite a list of things yet to do.

That forge is really taking shape. I'm too lazy to build a gas model like yours. That's the cat's meow for quick fixes. So many times I didn't want to bother moving the old forge outside, put coal in, get the fire going and go from there. A rosebud is usually easier. However, I've been known to use the forge. Keep up the good work.

[Sledgehammer]

2 minutes ago, Old Binder Guy said:

That forge is really taking shape. I'm too lazy to build a gas model like yours. That's the cat's meow for quick fixes. So many times I didn't want to bother moving the old forge outside, put coal in, get the fire going and go from there. A rosebud is usually easier. However, I've been known to use the forge. Keep up the good work.

That is why I’m building it. I hope it will be quicker for small things and also cleaner when forge welding.  Someone asked if this was like a rosebud so I took a picture of the burner next to a rosebud.  

[ray54]

Sledgehammer you say forced air, does that mean fan or compressed air.

 

My son has had success using a brake drum with coal and a line off the air compressor.  But he changes his hobbies before he is a true master of most of them.  

[Sledgehammer]

45 minutes ago, ray54 said:

Sledgehammer you say forced air, does that mean fan or compressed air.

 

My son has had success using a brake drum with coal and a line off the air compressor.  But he changes his hobbies before he is a true master of most of them.  

It is a 110v electric fan that I am using.  Here is a video I made to show a friend that shows the parts and firing.  This was just quickly put together. Once attached to the forge body (pictured a couple posts earlier) I will keep it clean, square, and tidy to the forge itself. 

 

I have always used a hand crank blower on a coal forge. I am doing this to save time and streamline a few processes for myself. (And I like the personal challenge of building what I want). I cannot take credit for the idea itself but I ha e changed things from the base idea to suit my needs and wants

[Old Binder Guy]

I've been putting it off, but today was the day. A tube (flue) in the Case steam engine had a tiny pinhole leak last fall when we put the engines away. I've changed a good deal of flues in my lifetime, but in my head, today, I decided this is my last one. I had a helper who'd just torn his right rotator cuff for the third time recently, and a nephew who was wanting to learn how it was done, since I'm at this age, I'd guess? The wind was 30-40 mph today at Silver Creek. The smokebox door in front of the engine had to be opened much of the time. I don't know what I'm going to put in my eyes to get the soot and ash out of them? I spent likely about an hour and a half inside the firebox. I've found that I'd better lose some weight if I'm planning to become a boilermaker. (I'm not.) I used the bent nose torch tip and never nicked any flue sheet.

Randy took this picture of me after my last trip out of the firebox. The zipper was ruined on my coveralls and because of that, I ruined the shirt I had on. I threw them both in the "shop rag" bin afterward. 

Afterward I drank two huge glasses of water (and I'd drank some along the way during the process) and ate Dorito Chips. Then I went and used the shop's shower. I got most of the soot off, but an going to go take another shower in a few minutes.  Gary?

[Sledgehammer]

Sheesh Gary, you sure did a nice job of cleaning out that firebox. There can’t be any soot left in there as dirty as you are.  

Is that torch tip a custom made unit?  I can’t say I have ever seen one like it. 

[Delta Dirt]

9 hours ago, Old Binder Guy said:

I've been putting it off, but today was the day. A tube (flue) in the Case steam engine had a tiny pinhole leak last fall when we put the engines away. I've changed a good deal of flues in my lifetime, but in my head, today, I decided this is my last one. I had a helper who'd just torn his right rotator cuff for the third time recently, and a nephew who was wanting to learn how it was done, since I'm at this age, I'd guess? The wind was 30-40 mph today at Silver Creek. The smokebox door in front of the engine had to be opened much of the time. I don't know what I'm going to put in my eyes to get the soot and ash out of them? I spent likely about an hour and a half inside the firebox. I've found that I'd better lose some weight if I'm planning to become a boilermaker. (I'm not.) I used the bent nose torch tip and never nicked any flue sheet.

Randy took this picture of me after my last trip out of the firebox. The zipper was ruined on my coveralls and because of that, I ruined the shirt I had on. I threw them both in the "shop rag" bin afterward. 

Afterward I drank two huge glasses of water (and I'd drank some along the way during the process) and ate Dorito Chips. Then I went and used the shop's shower. I got most of the soot off, but an going to go take another shower in a few minutes.  Gary?

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Folks------after seeing the above pictures;  I have finally figured out why I can identify with this guy so much.

Not only were we both manufactured in 1943 and have travelled down similar roads in life (some rough and bumpy);. both of us are attracted to old scrap iron (the older the better)  -------but this just sorta proves that apparently neither of us knows any better??? 

I have looked just like that before.   Apparently------we will dive off into most anything-------in addition to waiting to the hottest day of summer to do it!!!!!.. 

Seems that when we came to the forks in the road that pointed to "Easy Road" and "Hard Road"---------------why is it that I always took the hard road?????

Well-------at least the Professor is a "steam man".  I would recommend him crank up the old steam cleaner and take a bath before going home.

 

Still laughing----?

 

DD

 

 

[Old Binder Guy]

21 hours ago, Sledgehammer said:

Sheesh Gary, you sure did a nice job of cleaning out that firebox. There can’t be any soot left in there as dirty as you are.  

Is that torch tip a custom made unit?  I can’t say I have ever seen one like it. 

I have two of those tips, Todd. They are a standard piece of equipment for this torch (name escapes me).  Gary

PS: I did do a pretty good job of cleaning the soot out of the firebox!

[Sledgehammer]

Lots of torch brands out there. That looks like it could be a “Victor” brand torch. 

[Old Binder Guy]

11 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

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Folks------after seeing the above pictures;  I have finally figured out why I can identify with this guy so much.

Not only were we both manufactured in 1943 and have travelled down similar roads in life (some rough and bumpy);. both of us are attracted to old scrap iron (the older the better)  -------but this just sorta proves that apparently neither of us knows any better??? 

I have looked just like that before.   Apparently------we will dive off into most anything-------in addition to waiting to the hottest day of summer to do it!!!!!.. 

Seems that when we came to the forks in the road that pointed to "Easy Road" and "Hard Road"---------------why is it that I always took the hard road?????

Well-------at least the Professor is a "steam man".  I would recommend him crank up the old steam cleaner and take a bath before going home.

 

Still laughing----?

 

DD

 

 

Sometimes you just have to prove to the kids, you haven't lost all of your "touch' yet, Anson!

Mike and Pam, Jacob and Heather lived in the shop for (I think?) eight months, while they were building their home. (Mike is subtle!) That way he got a shop bathroom with a nice big shower, a toilet, a urinal and a "Mop" sink. What is now the "bunker" was their bedroom. The kids had tarped rooms upstairs in the mezzanine. The metal shop with the lathe, mill drill and a heap of old tools was the laundry room. His wood shop was their "living room." The bunker and the mezzanine are both carpeted, and the steps up. Linoleum in the bathroom, and they had the shop tarped in half. So it was not a terrible living condition. And it sure improved Mike's shop!

Our granddaughter Heather emailed me this picture of her new female goat, "Lucy." She has another named Rickie that's a boy kid. She has some "farm girl" in her. They aren't weaned yet, so they're still at the breeder's farm.  Gary?

[Old Binder Guy]

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5 minutes ago, Sledgehammer said:

Lots of torch brands out there. That looks like it could be a “Victor” brand torch. 

Yup, that's it Todd... I'm pretty sure? Victor. Mike had one and I had one when I moved there. It's handy to be able to trade around stuff like this cutting torch and rosebuds. Gary

[Delta Dirt]

Hammer----

The torch tip appears to be a gouging tip to me-----I have had them with various angles through the years. 

But all of my torch equipment is Purox-------dating back to hand me downs from my dad's days.  Victor is probably more popular than Purox down this way.  (tips will not interchange)

Have bought several new torches through the years------but always had too many good tips on hand to make a change.

*******

Never got around to installing a shower in my shop.  Sure would be nice.

Have pulled a garden hose inside and had a cold shower over the wash drain on several occasions.

******

Looks like the little goat just had a bath or shower!!!

 

DD

[Sledgehammer]

A few pics I think you will enjoy from a local car show today  pretty clean original

[Delta Dirt]

Being the forward planner that I am------I thought I would get my shotgun out and oil it up for this winter's duck season.

 

It is  Remington 12 gauge----32" barrell----full & full choke;  but I can't remember the model number???

Don't see any model number or patent numbers on it .   

This old gun came down from my grampa (Nebraska)------then my dad-----then me.  Got a picture of my dad with it  when he was maybe 6---8 years old (1912---1915 +/-) .

 

Somebody fill me in on the model and possible year of manufacture.  I used to know but am drawing a complete blank now.

I hunted with it when in the 12---15 year old range.  Shot the old paper 2 1/2 in light loads in it.  Was always warned about not shooting heavy powder loads because of the barrel construction.

First time I have had it out of the closet in a number of years--------not sure I could swing it on a fast moving duck anymore???

 

Any help will be appreciated.

 

DD

 

 

[Delta Dirt]

Based on my Google search------looks as if it might be a model 1882??  (manufactured 1882--1885?)

 

 

Based on those dates-----the gun apparently passed through my great grandaddy's hands.  Looks to be older than I thought.

Great Grampa Sheldon settled in Cass County Nebraska in 1856 (after having ventured out to the California gold rush).  Grampa Sheldon was born in 1870---------bought land here in Mississippi in 1902 and then moved here in 1910.  My dad was born in Nebraska in 1905-------then moved here with the family in 1910.

Maybe that's a Nebraska picture??-----wherever, I sure like it.  Gotta make a wall hanger out of it.

I am lucky enough to be a native Mississipian.  Thank God for my southern drawl and redneck ways!!!?

 

DD

 

[Delta Dirt]

Further "Googling" tells me my shotgun is actually a model 1889 with the more curved hammers and stamped Remington Arms (rather than Remington & Sons on the earlier models).

Progression of Remington hammers------far right is 1889 model.

 

Did find the serial number (46,120)-------no positive year of manufacture;  most likely 1890 or early 1890's.  Lots of confusion on Remington's numbers during those years.

Wrangler suggested I cut about 16" off of the barrells-------and he would be ready to hit a couple of banks tomorrow morning.

 

Hate to bore ya'll with this info -------but I might (?) be able to come back and find the info here.

Damn-----that Google searching can give an old codger a free drunk.   (and it is Sunday morning)  Gotta park it for a while-----head swarming.

 

DD

[Old Binder Guy]

Anson, I'm no authority on ancient shotguns, but I went to my trusty Norm Flayderman catalog. The first double shown is a "Model 1874 Double Barrel Hammer Shotgun." But it's listed as a Remington-Whitmore. The thing I noticed there is a longer barrel lock release, which yours has. But they don't have 32" barrels listed. Only 28" & 30" barrels.

Next Norm listed the "Model 1882 Remington Double Barrel Hammer Shotgun." These are only listed in 28" and 30" models as well. (However, barrels can be changed on these old doubles in less than a minute, if you had a 32" barrel in your possession.

Next Norm listed the "Model 1883, 1885, Model 1887, 1889 Double barrel Hammer Shotguns. It lists 10, 12 & 16 gauge calibers, in 28" and 32" barrels, available in Steel or Damascus barrels. And yes, if it in fact has a Damascus barrel, only light loads should be used. Your shotgun has the "1889 hammers." I don't know if they are original or not? (read the next paragraph).

Now, the thing that has me baffled, unless it was reworked by a gunsmith 100+ years ago, I can't figure out why it has the long barrel lock release lever. However, whether you're talking Remington, Winchester, Sharps, Colt, (firearms) IHC, Ford, Chevrolet, (automobiles or tractors), or Reeves, JI Case, or Minneapolis (Steam Engines), they all had a propensity to use up parts in the bins, before a model change happened, as they'd already paid for their parts stock, they will continue to use up some older parts on the newer model. That is a possibility as to why yours has that long lever? 

I don't intend to answer your questions, just make you more confused, Anson!! Maybe Wrangler can help you with sorting this out? And if you and Wrangler do go "banking" soon, make sure your double barrels are at least 18" (18-1/4" would be safer!) long, so while you two are being arrested for bank robbery, your Remington is plumb legal!!!! Gary?

[Delta Dirt]

Well-------that's both an interesting and more confusing report Professor (noting the long barrell lock release).  Your comment on using up existing stock probably explains that.

I read so much this morning------I couldn't comprehend it all.  But------I remember that in the middle of all the hammer **** series of double barrels that Remington & Sons went bankrupt and production resumed under the brand Remington Arms.

This gun is stamped Remington Arms with the new style "fancy R" butt plate (inaugurated by Remington Arms)------and the serial number matches in with the early 1889 production.

And------apparently there were just minor changes (like hammer design) that differentiated from the 1882----1889 models.

Worth noting-------somone stated that the new price from Remington at the time was quoted @ $14-------$23 depending on grade.  Can't argue with that!!!

 

DD