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18 minutes ago, Ian Beale said:

Plus "smokes weed and rails against tobacco smoke and smoking"

YES!!!  We have a big DRUG store on main street in our little town. Don't dare say anything negative about that, but boy, do the righteous locals get upset about tobacco! 

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1 hour ago, Ian Beale said:

"The EV bubble popped: VW orders are down 50%, Ford loses $38,000 on each car, Toyota chief, says “people are waking up”  "

https://joannenova.com.au/2023/10/vw-orders-are-down-50-ford-loses-38000-on-each-car-toyota-chief-says-people-are-waking-up/

Wait until the Jamaican Christmas Tree trimmers find out they're paying for others to drive around in a status symbol.

Never mind.

By definition they're too lazy to go looking for any of that information.

But then there's this:

Socialism works great until you run out of other people's money.

    - Margaret Thatcher

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And the truth that this technology doesn't even come close to carbon neutral and has been developed using other people's money 

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EVs aren't all they are promised to be. We sell them and I work on them. A coworker bought one, brand new off our lot. He got the all wheel drive, 2 motor high performance model which drops the range from 360 miles to 240 miles. He went on a 400 mile trip. He had a somewhat stiff headwind to start the trip. After 100 miles, he had used 57% of his battery. He didn't have enough to make it to the next larger town with charging facilities 100 miles away so he had to stop and charge for a while. And charge again at that next town. In the end, the trip that usually takes about 6-1/2 hours in a ice vehicle ended up taking 11 hours. Evs might be fine around town, but in a mostly rural area they leave a lot to be desired.

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And solar panels, sugar beets, crop insurance, Medicaid, Medicare, public schools..... the list goes on. There is a long list of ridiculous subsidies that we don't even think about or even realize, while I agree with everything said above and am appalled by the way EVs are being forced on the American people, remember that when pointing a finger at someone else, three more are pointed back at you. 

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Toyota seems to favor the hybrid, which is a reasonable compromise with no range restriction.

Business is making me spend lots of time around Los Angeles basing out of Van Nuys or sometimes Burbank. I see hundreds of Teslas and other EVs on the freeways. Those folks spend hours commuting every day in heavy traffic and it seems they work for them. There's no way I would ever live and work is such a place. A ride from Burbank to LAX for a crew change can be 30 minutes on Sunday night to 2 hours+++ any other time going from zero to 80 and back to zero or just crawling along bumper to bumper. I guess it's what they grew up with and think it's normal.

Anyway, EVs seem to work for some.

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1 hour ago, New Englander said:

Toyota seems to favor the hybrid, which is a reasonable compromise with no range restriction.

Business is making me spend lots of time around Los Angeles basing out of Van Nuys or sometimes Burbank. I see hundreds of Teslas and other EVs on the freeways. Those folks spend hours commuting every day in heavy traffic and it seems they work for them. There's no way I would ever live and work is such a place. A ride from Burbank to LAX for a crew change can be 30 minutes on Sunday night to 2 hours+++ any other time going from zero to 80 and back to zero or just crawling along bumper to bumper. I guess it's what they grew up with and think it's normal.

Anyway, EVs seem to work for some.

Wife has a Toyota Camry Hybrid , she is getting 50MPG. Handles like a Corvette and has an amazing amount of power, feels like a muscle car when you put your foot in it.  I said i would never have a foreign car in the garage but now after having the Camry i love that car.  

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My brother in law bought a Chevy 1/2 ton Duramax. Loves it. Great pulling power for his boat. 27 mpg running around. 32 mpg on a trip. Now way an EV will come close to that in cost per mile savings.

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just popped up on my conservative news. Texas Public Policy Foundation did an EV study. Stripped of government subsidies, EV cost is $17.33 per gallon of gas to operate. I know we subsidize wind turbines. We as taxpayers should be up in arms.

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54 minutes ago, cedar farm said:

My brother in law bought a Chevy 1/2 ton Duramax. Loves it. Great pulling power for his boat. 27 mpg running around. 32 mpg on a trip. Now way an EV will come close to that in cost per mile savings.

One gallon of diesel is the equivalent of 40.7 kWh. About 2/3 of the energy is wasted as mostly heat so it takes about 3 gallons of diesel to equate to 40kwh of battery power. National average for diesel is running about $4.50/gallon so roughly $13.50. Depending on time of day and who the utility provider is the cost per kWh is around 13¢ in my area or just round way up to 20¢.
40 kWh of electricity costs less than $8 compared to $13.50 in diesel.
Plus there is no oil changes, filters or DEF to account for. 

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Just now, MTB98 said:

One gallon of diesel is the equivalent of 40.7 kWh. About 2/3 of the energy is wasted as mostly heat so it takes about 3 gallons of diesel to equate to 40kwh of battery power. National average for diesel is running about $4.50/gallon so roughly $13.50. Depending on time of day and who the utility provider is the cost per kWh is around 13¢ in my area or just round way up to 20¢.
40 kWh of electricity costs less than $8 compared to $13.50 in diesel.
Plus there is no oil changes, filters or DEF to account for. 

Look up my other post. Take away the substidies and EV cost goes WAY UP. And I would bet you my farm that if my BIL in his Duramax left New York on his way to LA and the best EV you could find left at the same time. My BIL would get there 2-3 days ahead of the EV. Adding in motels, extra meals and boredom spending during charge times, the EV cost would far surpass the diesel. 

A trip is not just the cost per mile in energy. It's the total trip's cost that has to be factored in.

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