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48 minutes ago, iowaboy1965 said:

Yes if a deere worker was hired before 1997 they have a very nice pension.

If they were hired after 1997 it's quite different.  

yes , but shiek was not entirely wrong. some would call it socialism,

 Same tier and same job classification same pay whether the guy is a  good employee or not. and the poor employee is hard to get rid of......

 

I am not completely opposed to unions BTW. If I worked at the local Toyota plants ( not something I would consider) I would vote union in a heartbeat

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11 hours ago, iowaboy1965 said:

I think your misunderstanding the tiers. There ARE different pay scales based on difficulty of jobs. The tiers come in when companies want the work force to sell new employees down the river at a different rate of pay for the same job and skill level in the name of cost savings. In other words doing the same exact job but because one person got hired after a certain date they get to take home less pay for the same job as someone hired before that date. And yes there is a new hire rate or probationary rate that gets raised over a set time as employee gets up to speed. At least there has been at all the places I've worked that I can think of. But that's only temporary and employee should be making the same wages for same skills in a few months usually. The tiers can go on for years or longer if the companies get them into a contract.

I work in the tier or "step" system right now for a state government. I work for probably $12 to $13 hr less than the top rate and I been there for 8 years. I do the same work for a lot less weekly pay and a lot less in my retirement.It's funny when people go online to look and apply for a position.They see the top pay and say "yes,I work for that",get interviewed and find out it's 2/3rds or less and say no way.I work there because I can take less,I rather have time off,close to home and a retirement pension. 

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1 minute ago, hillman said:

yes , but shiek was not entirely wrong. some would call it socialism,

 Same tier and same job classification same pay whether the guy is a  good employee or not. and the poor employee is hard to get rid of......

 

I am not completely opposed to unions BTW. If I worked at the local Toyota plants ( not something I would consider) I would vote union in a heartbeat

Yes there are drawbacks. 

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3 hours ago, zleinenbach said:

 

not all days can be great lol

From one of the all time best sitcoms ever:

 

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There are lots of union jobs in our area. I know plenty of people even family who are or were union. There definitely was a time when they were necessary. Even non-union wages wouldn't be what they are if not for union bargaining. They had to raise wages or lose folks to union jobs. 

I did interview at a union shop once. While on the shop tour there were 3 guys... one was trying to measure a long part with a tape. The other two standing by. My guide happened to stop right there and describe how great it would be to work there. Every time the gent would get 6 or so feet away the tape would unhook from the part. Nobody flinched to help him. I bent down to place my finger on the end of the tape for him. The guide actually slapped my hand away and said "That's not your job". Still no one moved.

I asked him to show me to the door.

When I was laying bricks with some "scab" boys, I could lay their daily brick quota by 9:00 break... And I was the laborer. That's my experience with union.

Most of the folks I know who work(ed) with few exceptions will tell you the union protects the lazy man. One relative tells me their 2 hour meetings consist of whether they will have catsup packets or bottles in the break room.

I don't come close to local union pay but I'm making a living. I have always relied on my skills and work ethic to hold my job. Never my "local".

As stated. Those unions raised my non-union pay to the level it is. Just not for me. For the families involved, I hope they resolve it. After all, it affects us all in the end.

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1 hour ago, Dzldenny said:

I know plenty of people even family who are or were union. There definitely was a time when they were necessary. Even non-union wages wouldn't be what they are if not for union bargaining. They had to raise wages or lose folks to union jobs. 

 

I absolutely could not agree more 

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13 hours ago, Dzldenny said:

There are lots of union jobs in our area. I know plenty of people even family who are or were union. There definitely was a time when they were necessary. Even non-union wages wouldn't be what they are if not for union bargaining. They had to raise wages or lose folks to union jobs. 

I did interview at a union shop once. While on the shop tour there were 3 guys... one was trying to measure a long part with a tape. The other two standing by. My guide happened to stop right there and describe how great it would be to work there. Every time the gent would get 6 or so feet away the tape would unhook from the part. Nobody flinched to help him. I bent down to place my finger on the end of the tape for him. The guide actually slapped my hand away and said "That's not your job". Still no one moved.

I asked him to show me to the door.

When I was laying bricks with some "scab" boys, I could lay their daily brick quota by 9:00 break... And I was the laborer. That's my experience with union.

Most of the folks I know who work(ed) with few exceptions will tell you the union protects the lazy man. One relative tells me their 2 hour meetings consist of whether they will have catsup packets or bottles in the break room.

I don't come close to local union pay but I'm making a living. I have always relied on my skills and work ethic to hold my job. Never my "local".

As stated. Those unions raised my non-union pay to the level it is. Just not for me. For the families involved, I hope they resolve it. After all, it affects us all in the end.

  Almost impossible to imagine in 2023 but go far enough back laborers were expected to work as though they had several hands.  Employers such as Henry Ford had goons roam the factory to rough up those who did not work like that.  Yes, Ford did a lot to help America in pushing the 40 hour 5 day work week and a decent wage (to afford his vehicles) but he certainly was not perfect.   Of course just like anything else involving people the pendulum swung far the other way so we have two guys watching one man work.  

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