GM Strike

[766 Man]

  Speculation is that when it gets done the price of vehicles will increase by 30 percent over the next 3 to 5 years.  I can't afford a new pickup truck now and the used inventory is getting tighter and tighter.  75,000 dollar pickup will close to 100,000 dollars if it comes true.  

[jeeper61]

The UAW is striking at all 3 automakers Ford, GM and Stellantis the former Chrysler 

[F-301066460puller]

I bought my one and only new truck in 2002 ('03 model) Let them strike. When they price themselves out of a job let them starve. I feel for their families. 

[766 Man]

28 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

The UAW is striking at all 3 automakers Ford, GM and Stellantis the former Chrysler 

  Yes, of course.  GM is getting the talk where I am as there is a major plant in Rochester, NY although presently all workers are still on the job there.  

[jass1660]

9 minutes ago, F-301066460puller said:

I bought my one and only new truck in 2002 ('03 model) Let them strike. When they price themselves out of a job let them starve. I feel for their families. 

The workers aren’t the ones making much it’s the corporate greed where the majority goes. So much automation now this generation isn’t making as much as I do.

[jeeper61]

4 minutes ago, 766 Man said:

  Yes, of course.  GM is getting the talk where I am as there is a major plant in Rochester, NY although presently all workers are still on the job there.  

 

One of them would be GMCH the old Rochester Carburetor

Used to go there all the time back in the Delphi Days 

[766 Man]

8 minutes ago, F-301066460puller said:

I bought my one and only new truck in 2002 ('03 model) Let them strike. When they price themselves out of a job let them starve. I feel for their families. 

  Prices are too high now especially with the inflation of the last couple of years.  The feeling is that the workers will get most of what they are asking for.  It will be interesting to see how this winds up.  Times are different now socially than what they were a generation or two ago.  The average consumer in those days at least caught a break in terms of increased reliability, fuel efficiency, and extended financial terms among others.  I don't see what is out there to offset a 30 percent increase for the average buyer.

[jeeper61]

3 minutes ago, jass1660 said:

So much automation now

Not in a UAW plant it is very restricted  

[Lazy WP]

Just my opinion but I think all unions should be abolished. 
Let the fire roll. 

[766 Man]

4 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

 

One of them would be GMCH the old Rochester Carburetor

Used to go there all the time back in the Delphi Days 

  The wife's paternal grandfather worked for Delco before it became a part of GM starting in the late 1930's.  The owner was like Old Man Potter out of It's a Wonderful Life.  He had a weekly itch to fire somebody and if a worker did not speak English well that put them high on the list.  The grandfather was forced to fire quite a number of people to his great distaste.  

[766 Man]

3 minutes ago, Lazy WP said:

Just my opinion but I think all unions should be abolished. 
Let the fire roll. 

  I understand where you are coming from but find it ironic this being said on the board of a company that had very poor relations with labor dating back to the 19th Century.  

[F-301066460puller]

13 minutes ago, Lazy WP said:

Just my opinion but I think all unions should be abolished. 
Let the fire roll. 

Agree fully

[jeeper61]

11 minutes ago, 766 Man said:

19 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

 

One of them would be GMCH the old Rochester Carburetor

Used to go there all the time back in the Delphi Days 

  The wife's paternal grandfather worked for Delco before it became a part of GM starting in the late 1930's.  The owner was like Old Man Potter out of It's a Wonderful Life.  He had a weekly itch to fire somebody and if a worker did not speak English well that put them high on the list.  The grandfather was forced to fire quite a number of people to his great distaste.

GM spun that Delco Fuel Systems off and that formed Delphi they went bankrupt and GM had to buy it all back to keep the parts flow going 

Now called GMCH = General Motors Components Holdings

Not real thrilled to have to work at a GM or Ford plant 

You got to have the  lefty loosey guy and the righty tighty guy assigned to work with you.

Then they disapear and you end up doing it all yourself 

[F-301066460puller]

13 minutes ago, 766 Man said:

  The wife's paternal grandfather worked for Delco before it became a part of GM starting in the late 1930's.  The owner was like Old Man Potter out of It's a Wonderful Life.  He had a weekly itch to fire somebody and if a worker did not speak English well that put them high on the list.  The grandfather was forced to fire quite a number of people to his great distaste.  

He was free to tell him no.

[766 Man]

1 minute ago, F-301066460puller said:

He was free to tell him no.

  No would have meant his firing.  I'm not saying what he did was right but in the end he was human just like most of us are when we are asked to do something dubious.  Yes, Delco made fuel systems and electrical components which is where his assignment was.  I would imagine that plant was at least in part responsible for supplying the ag equipment companies such as IH with starters, generators, and distributors.  

[lotsaIHCs]

I used to work I  a union shop (Teamsters). When we couldn't come to agreement on a contract, the union rep warned us that our strike benefits would be about $50/week. This was in about 1995 or so. No one could live on that so we ended up taking the contract. When that contract ended, the union was voted out. Everyone's Pay increased and retirement plan improved. 

[F-301066460puller]

I would agree with the corporate greed. Can't speak to the other part. Don't know any UAW employees. Only thing I  know for sure is that they make a damn sight more when they are working than they do when they are picketing.

[F-301066460puller]

4 minutes ago, lotsaIHCs said:

I used to work I  a union shop (Teamsters). When we couldn't come to agreement on a contract, the union rep warned us that our strike benefits would be about $50/week. This was in about 1995 or so. No one could live on that so we ended up taking the contract. When that contract ended, the union was voted out. Everyone's Pay increased and retirement plan improved. 

In today's world the only one benefiting from unions is the union. Not the workers. They had their need 100 yrs ago but the time has passed. Teachers unions are a good example. My dad was a rural mail carrier for over 40 years as well as farming. He told they union to shove it as they did nothing for him.

[lotsaIHCs]

I don't have a dog in the fight, don't know anyone who does, other than anyone who might be in the market for a vehicle in the near future, and don't know the specifics of contract proposals. If news sources are correct, the last proposal I heard from GM was to include 40% pay increases over the course of the next 5 years on top of regular cost of living raises. That doesn't sound like anything to sneeze at! But then, as I said I have no knowledge of any specifics about the proposal other than what has been reported.

[Mudfly]

1 hour ago, 766 Man said:

Speculation is that when it gets done the price of vehicles will increase by 30 percent over the next 3 to 5 years.  

What percentage of a cost of a vehicle is labor?  While I don’t doubt cost rising by 30% in 5 year, it won’t all be due to the increase in labor costs.  
 

Now I was raised and fed on union wages that my dad earned, so while I don’t agree with unions, I also can’t bash them too badly.

People need to realize that the US is hurting in a big way with respect to blue collar workers.  Especially skilled workers.  The boomers are almost all retired now and the generation taking its place is not nearly big enough to fill those jobs, plus most of them want a white collar or service industry job.  We need to listen to Mike Rowe a little more.

[dads706]

$100K for a new vehicle....... no problem, since todays cars/trucks will easy go 200K miles the finance company will just start financing vehicles for 10 years.

How else are those 20 year old's going to be able to buy their dually diesels and put $5000 worth of tires and wheels on them. 

I bought the wife a brand new Chevy HighCountry in 2017. it cost more than the first 3 houses we owned combined.

[jeeper61]

For the US automakers and the UAW to survive they need to get the foreign automaker's plants unionized.

The foreign maker's plants have a $10 per hour lower labor rate  

[F-301066460puller]

I Remember in the mid-late '90's you could buy a fully decked out Z71 ext cab 1500 for $31,000. How much was that 2017 high country? 

People need to quit buying them at that price. I personally don't want a new fancy truck. I'll take a brand new 2000 chevy cc 2500 with a vortec 454 please cheyenne would be just fine.

[766 Man]

  I'd take a work truck hand crank windows and all.  But there is less money in building those than the fully equipped models for the manufacturer.  

[1566Hog]

I’ve been waiting on a timing chain for my 2017 Ford Expedition. The Ford dealer has been trying to get one for over 3 months. The service man called me and said we might as well forget it now that they’re on strike. So… now what do I do?  Run it till it breaks and it ruins the engine?  They claim all the aftermarket ones don’t line up correctly, and are junk. 
Gee… thanks a lot!