Oops! Better pay the hunting lease!

[Rawleigh99]

https://www.whiskeyriff.com/2023/09/06/farmer-plows-through-snow-geese-decoy-set-up-after-hunters-stiff-him-on-lease/

[766 Man]

  Right now I have a pretty good guy and his son on my ground.  No cash but he does some odd jobs in exchange.  Lots of terrible hunters out there and the game warden had the nerve  to ask about protecting one guy that needed to go.  This guy would always promise one thing but do another.  

[Mike H]

years ago we had 220 acres to hunt [for 18 years]

the land owner had a stroke  and could not hunt any more

we both enjoyed watching my kids learn to hunt

I really miss the time we had together

Leroy passed, the farm got sold, now there's only memories

 

[Sledgehammer]

It is a shame that people must lease (or buy) ground to have a place to hunt now. I remember when you could knock on a door and ask politely for permission. Once leasing started in this area it ruined all that. 

[Jacka]

4 hours ago, Sledgehammer said:

It is a shame that people must lease (or buy) ground to have a place to hunt now. I remember when you could knock on a door and ask politely for permission. Once leasing started in this area it ruined all that. 

Is there public or game lands  in your state or area?

[766 Man]

8 hours ago, Sledgehammer said:

It is a shame that people must lease (or buy) ground to have a place to hunt now. I remember when you could knock on a door and ask politely for permission. Once leasing started in this area it ruined all that. 

  I'll politely disagree with what you said.  Out of control hunters ruined hunting.  Most are bullies that harass property owners.  I see this all the time on just about all my boundaries.  One guy thinks because the utility has an easement through my property that is his own personal driveway.  We are fast heading to a confrontation over this.  Too many land owners suffering too much BS is why there is so much negativity towards non-land owning hunters.  I have no regrets in sending the last crew packing and right now the guys who actually have permission to hunt my land are polite and respectful.   There is some state owned land that can be hunted on but I would bet it is the same old BS with guys fighting each other as to who has the right to be on any given spot.  As to guys owning land to hunt on I don't think they gain any manners from owning land.  If anything based on experience they usually are more arrogant than the vagabond hunters.  

[sandhiller]

9 hours ago, Sledgehammer said:

It is a shame that people must lease (or buy) ground to have a place to hunt now. I remember when you could knock on a door and ask politely for permission. Once leasing started in this area it ruined all that. 

 

1 hour ago, 766 Man said:

  I'll politely disagree with what you said.  Out of control hunters ruined hunting.  Most are bullies that harass property owners.  I see this all the time on just about all my boundaries.  One guy thinks because the utility has an easement through my property that is his own personal driveway.  We are fast heading to a confrontation over this.  Too many land owners suffering too much BS is why there is so much negativity towards non-land owning hunters.  I have no regrets in sending the last crew packing and right now the guys who actually have permission to hunt my land are polite and respectful.   There is some state owned land that can be hunted on but I would bet it is the same old BS with guys fighting each other as to who has the right to be on any given spot.  As to guys owning land to hunt on I don't think they gain any manners from owning land.  If anything based on experience they usually are more arrogant than the vagabond hunters.  

I will add my two cents, politely also.

When people had to come up and ask permission, they were more apprecicative of you letting them hunt.

It was more personal and them being allowed to come back was dependant on how they acted this time. 

When they could just buy in, they thought they bought the rights to do whatever they wanted and as long as they forked over the money, they got the ground.

Not all, but enough bad apples to ruin it for everyone

 

 

[766 Man]

2 hours ago, sandhiller said:

 

I will add my two cents, politely also.

When people had to come up and ask permission, they were more apprecicative of you letting them hunt.

It was more personal and them being allowed to come back was dependant on how they acted this time. 

When they could just buy in, they thought they bought the rights to do whatever they wanted and as long as they forked over the money, they got the ground.

Not all, but enough bad apples to ruin it for everyone

 

 

  It's been my experience that the appreciation fades away rather quickly.  I've had many good starts that fell apart often before the first season was in the books.  I'm hoping the current guys I have are different.  

[jeeper61]

I have had a few want to deer hunt on my property 

I tell them bring a cord of split wood with you every time you come and stack it in the wood shed then you can hunt afterwards 

No takers 

[766 Man]

21 minutes ago, jeeper61 said:

I have had a few want to deer hunt on my property 

I tell them bring a cord of split wood with you every time you come and stack it in the wood shed then you can hunt afterwards 

No takers 

  You are one lucky guy.  It would be my luck the guy would bring the wood, kick over a hornet's nest with one neighbor, and then I would find out the wood was stolen from another neighbor.

[sandhiller]

25 minutes ago, 766 Man said:

  It's been my experience that the appreciation fades away rather quickly.  I've had many good starts that fell apart often before the first season was in the books.  I'm hoping the current guys I have are different.  

I understand, neighbors have had their share of some real entitled jerks. I have had to deal with them trespassing onto me.

 

My experience has been different however.

Have made very good friends with the group I have now.

Been coming up for near 25 years.

I will stop and eat breakfast on my way to pastures if timing is right.

One night during the week they will have the missus an me up for top shelf bourbon and steaks.

We have watched each other's kids grow up hunting deer.

Luck of the draw I guess

[jeeper61]

1 hour ago, 766 Man said:

  You are one lucky guy.  It would be my luck the guy would bring the wood, kick over a hornet's nest with one neighbor, and then I would find out the wood was stolen from another neighbor.

These are acquaintances

I would never let a stranger hunt on my property 

Most of them try to play it like their doing me a favor which don't fly with me 

So I ask them to bring the wood and it usually stops there because they don't have any and if they had property to cut from they would just hunt there  

 

 

[Binderoid]

Maybe he ran the decoys over because he couldn’t see out those filthy windows 

[jeeper61]

11 minutes ago, Binderoid said:

Maybe he ran the decoys over because he couldn’t see out those filthy windows 

I couldn't even see them on the video 

Have some pride wash them once in a while 

Probably don't change his underware either  

My buddy who drove long haul would tell me make sure the truck and windows are clean and they are less likely to hassle you at the scale 

[Matt Kirsch]

Isn't pride a deadly sin?

Maybe he does wash the windows but they're dirty again in 10 minutes anyway. After all it is a farm tractor being used in the field.

[Ihfan4life]

7 hours ago, 766 Man said:

  I'll politely disagree with what you said.  Out of control hunters ruined hunting.  Most are bullies that harass property owners.  I see this all the time on just about all my boundaries.  One guy thinks because the utility has an easement through my property that is his own personal driveway.  We are fast heading to a confrontation over this.  Too many land owners suffering too much BS is why there is so much negativity towards non-land owning hunters.  I have no regrets in sending the last crew packing and right now the guys who actually have permission to hunt my land are polite and respectful.   There is some state owned land that can be hunted on but I would bet it is the same old BS with guys fighting each other as to who has the right to be on any given spot.  As to guys owning land to hunt on I don't think they gain any manners from owning land.  If anything based on experience they usually are more arrogant than the vagabond hunters.  

My experience as well. 2 “hunters” , I use that term loosely, fighting over a damn turkey, trying to make me kick one or the other off. So I kicked both off. Then one has the gall to come in through my neighbor’s property. When his tree stand on my tree came up missing he knocked on my door, wanting to know if I had it. I said yes, but you’re going to have to talk with the game warden before you get it back.

He got it back with a fine and 1 year loss of license. Never saw him again.

This was the same guy who told me he helped fix my chimney and I told him that’s funny because I didn’t see your fat ass on my roof when I was fixing it…

[766 Man]

3 hours ago, jeeper61 said:

These are acquaintances

I would never let a stranger hunt on my property 

Most of them try to play it like their doing me a favor which don't fly with me 

So I ask them to bring the wood and it usually stops there because they don't have any and if they had property to cut from they would just hunt there  

 

 

  I never let strangers hunt on my land.  These have been people I have known to some degree and usually no negatives pop up initially.  I normally ask around about them as well as I know either friends, family, or co-workers.  Just a lot of bad luck.  

[jeeper61]

4 hours ago, Matt Kirsch said:

Isn't pride a deadly sin?

Maybe he does wash the windows but they're dirty again in 10 minutes anyway. After all it is a farm tractor being used in the field.

Your arsehole still works if you don't change your underware so I guess your tractor will still work if you never wash it  

[Sledgehammer]

16 hours ago, Jacka said:

Is there public or game lands  in your state or area?

Less than 1% public in my area. 
 

I said that because years ago I asked people to hunt and was allowed to most of the time.  We shut every gate we opened, we’re careful with fences and property lines, asked if others were hunting in that area already, and normally dropped off some deer sausage to the owner as a thank you. This was archery primarily. Pretty soon the types of people referenced in many of these posts asked also and ended up paying to have sole access or ruining things for everyone.  I had a little family property I could hunt also. When everyone started crowding and being jerks it took the fun out of bow hunting for me and I quit archery hunting for 10 years. After that amount of time I decided to try it again.  I ended up buying property so I could never be kicked off due to the negligence of others. 

[zleinenbach]

[vtfireman85]

37 minutes ago, zleinenbach said:

That hangs in my entry way 

[Alan Dinan]

55 minutes ago, zleinenbach said:

The one I saw was 

“Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be prosecuted”

[Littlefeller]

I saw one that said trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again

[Jacka]

8 hours ago, Sledgehammer said:

Less than 1% public in my area. 
 

I said that because years ago I asked people to hunt and was allowed to most of the time.  We shut every gate we opened, we’re careful with fences and property lines, asked if others were hunting in that area already, and normally dropped off some deer sausage to the owner as a thank you. This was archery primarily. Pretty soon the types of people referenced in many of these posts asked also and ended up paying to have sole access or ruining things for everyone.  I had a little family property I could hunt also. When everyone started crowding and being jerks it took the fun out of bow hunting for me and I quit archery hunting for 10 years. After that amount of time I decided to try it again.  I ended up buying property so I could never be kicked off due to the negligence of others. 

I was raised like you.I never would walk,hunt ride my bicycle (we didn't have 4 wheelers,dirt bikes etc) when I was a kid on neighbors or anyone 's ground without having permission. To this day I respect my neighbors and thier property. It helps that we been neighbors for 35 years and more.But I had run ins with locals during deer season. They somehow hunt on the neighbors ground, since they can their they think they can on me.Most are the grown boys hanger ons. Riff raff,etc. I been cussed out ,tried to have pushed off my own property. Well that doesn't fly well with me.The riff raff first would be sent scurrying boys would get a earful and the dad would say see now why I don't hunt with them anymore).It's a shame some people act like ingrates and they own you,to me they are just bullies.They ruin it for everyone. My state has Millions of public ground to hunt on but most hunters are too lazy to walk in. They want to pull in your driveway, unload their ATV and ride across your fields to get to their $3000 tree stand blind.

[766 Man]

2 hours ago, Jacka said:

I was raised like you.I never would walk,hunt ride my bicycle (we didn't have 4 wheelers,dirt bikes etc) when I was a kid on neighbors or anyone 's ground without having permission. To this day I respect my neighbors and thier property. It helps that we been neighbors for 35 years and more.But I had run ins with locals during deer season. They somehow hunt on the neighbors ground, since they can their they think they can on me.Most are the grown boys hanger ons. Riff raff,etc. I been cussed out ,tried to have pushed off my own property. Well that doesn't fly well with me.The riff raff first would be sent scurrying boys would get a earful and the dad would say see now why I don't hunt with them anymore).It's a shame some people act like ingrates and they own you,to me they are just bullies.They ruin it for everyone. My state has Millions of public ground to hunt on but most hunters are too lazy to walk in. They want to pull in your driveway, unload their ATV and ride across your fields to get to their $3000 tree stand blind.

  I'm glad you used the word bully as any other description would be too kind.  In some ways you PA guys have it worse as adverse possession is still law in your state.  It just invites bullies to pry their business on others.