Under_Pressure Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 5 hours ago, New Englander said: A problem is that a tiny leak can go unnoticed until a bit of rust is seen at the valve stem hole. By that time lots of corrosion can already be underway. If it's Rim Guard no harm and it can just leak until it's noticed. I experienced the very thing and when I pulled the tire off the rim had already had a fair bit of corrosion, so much that I sand blasted it and welded up a spot opposite the valve hole that blew through when blasting. Old tractor and the damage could have started long before I owned it but I only investigated when rust began to appear at the valve stem. The tube had the tiniest leak that I only found when blowing it up enough to stretch it out. I believe that was near or at the spot that blew through when blasting and may have been leaking a drop or two for years. Air will leak through rapidly but liquid doesn't. I have the opposite problem with my backhoe - keeping enough weight on the front wheels. I've got inside and outside front wheel weights and a huge hunk of steel on the grill guard. Yeah, I've got a JD 410K backhoe that had foam filled fronts when I got it. It needed new tires so I replaced them all this spring, and wasn't about to spend the $$$ for foam, and beet juice isn't that cheap either plus is a giant mess in tubeless tires so I said screw it, can't make that much difference right? Turns out it's definitely noticeable, especially when I'm loading it on the trailer- the front end gets scary light going over the beavertail, at least compared to how it felt with the foam (which is about the most weight you can add to a tire). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reichow7120 Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 The rusty rim monster bit here today on the left front wheel of our backhoe. This is going to be interesting to replace. 5 bolt hub on a 14-17.5 tire. Everything i keep finding for this size and heavy duty is 8 bolt hub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Kirsch Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 20 hours ago, vtfireman85 said: Been using molasses/ beat juice, whatever the tire company is handling at the time. It’s cheaper than rims. Yeah but the hardcore "antis" claim the beet juice is just as bad as CaCl. Of course they point to the corrosion on the tire guy's truck which has been used to handle CaCl for decades before beet juice was "invented." On my now well-documented adventure to replace a rotted rim on the 856, it turned out that 99% of the rim was clean and rust-free on the inside. The only place it was rotten was around the valve stem. The rust on the outside was from the tractor having been the winter spreader tractor, and parked in the barn with the left side wheels pretty much in direct contact with the Southbound ends of of Northbound cows. When he got the Maxxum he came up with "the tarp," which was a tarp on ropes and pulleys that you'd lower down between the tractor and the cattle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermechanic Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Make a friend with a mechanic who works at a big truck shop, or the local school bus garage. If the shop is any good, no antifreeze is reused . Almost all oil recyclers will take used anti, and charge for taking it. Do that shop a favor, and drop off a 330-gallon tote. glycol fluid weighs about half again as much as water, and is not harmful to steel rims. Free weight, gotta love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 19 minutes ago, Matt Kirsch said: Yeah but the hardcore "antis" claim the beet juice is just as bad as CaCl. Of course they point to the corrosion on the tire guy's truck which has been used to handle CaCl for decades before beet juice was "invented." On my now well-documented adventure to replace a rotted rim on the 856, it turned out that 99% of the rim was clean and rust-free on the inside. The only place it was rotten was around the valve stem. The rust on the outside was from the tractor having been the winter spreader tractor, and parked in the barn with the left side wheels pretty much in direct contact with the Southbound ends of of Northbound cows. When he got the Maxxum he came up with "the tarp," which was a tarp on ropes and pulleys that you'd lower down between the tractor and the cattle. My FIL had some “rim guard” put in the Allis. He said it was chloride with corrosion inhibitor in it. Sounds to me like wearing a condom to stay dry in a hurricane, but I wasn’t consulted. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 3 hours ago, Matt Kirsch said: The only place it was rotten was around the valve stem. Why doesn't someone make a stamped, weld in replacement panel for the valve stem area of a tractor rim??? I think those would sell like hot-cakes. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 11 minutes ago, mikem said: Why doesn't someone make a stamped, weld in replacement panel for the valve stem area of a tractor rim??? I think those would sell like hot-cakes. Mike I can hear the complaints now… I chopped up my rim and went to harbor freight and bought a welder. Then when I aired it up, it exploded in my face. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db1486 Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 29 minutes ago, mikem said: Why doesn't someone make a stamped, weld in replacement panel for the valve stem area of a tractor rim??? I think those would sell like hot-cakes. Mike Would be fine for the guys that do tires themselves, but the tire guys aren't going to start patching up rims on top of fixing the tire, or replacing. Be cheaper in the end to pick up a good used clean rim and swap them out. That said, I have welded in a new piece where the stem sits. Was a simple fix and the rest of the rim was very good condition yet. So far only 1 rim out of everything here has been affected by calcium. And were running older equipment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmi Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 todays project 2 hrs of grinding and brushing to get the cancer out which was 99.995% in side. Interestingly the exterior was confined the the hoops and factory sq bolts down by 1/2 next in line......... only 14 more to buy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Englander Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 12 hours ago, Under_Pressure said: Yeah, I've got a JD 410K backhoe that had foam filled fronts when I got it. It needed new tires so I replaced them all this spring, and wasn't about to spend the $$$ for foam, and beet juice isn't that cheap either plus is a giant mess in tubeless tires so I said screw it, can't make that much difference right? Turns out it's definitely noticeable, especially when I'm loading it on the trailer- the front end gets scary light going over the beavertail, at least compared to how it felt with the foam (which is about the most weight you can add to a tire). I loaded the fronts on another backhoe but for the current one I found 4 wheel weights and have them inside and outside. Those plus some weights on the grill guard pretty much do the job Plowing with it does require some differential braking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Kirsch Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 11 hours ago, vtfireman85 said: My FIL had some “rim guard” put in the Allis. He said it was chloride with corrosion inhibitor in it. Sounds to me like wearing a condom to stay dry in a hurricane, but I wasn’t consulted. Not for nothing, but I think he got took. There is no such thing as a "corrosion inhibitor" for CaCl solution that I'm aware of. You'd think if there were such a thing everyone would know about it, and be using it religiously despite the cost. The only way to "neutralize" it is dilution with clean water. If you "neutralize" the CaCl, you defeat the purpose of having it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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int 504 Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 Around here "rim guard" is beet juice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillman Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 22 hours ago, Reichow7120 said: The rusty rim monster bit here today on the left front wheel of our backhoe. This is going to be interesting to replace. 5 bolt hub on a 14-17.5 tire. Everything i keep finding for this size and heavy duty is 8 bolt hub. I can't see the center well but I would carefully cut the center out and weld it in a new rim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U-C Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 On 9/7/2023 at 11:37 PM, db1486 said: On our case 4wd we have been having tire issues so we pumped the fluid out and been running them dry now. Been fine for tillage and pulling, but running the pt combine or sprayer in the hills, not so fine. Had a few pucker moments combining with it. It's going to get fluid back in when we put new tires on it. for that one needs a heavier center of gravity and pull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd186man Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/7/2023 at 12:21 PM, Lazy WP said: Hang cast on it and never check the bolts again. See how long they stay on. Same thing. You don’t like calcium, I don’t like cast. Neither one will do much good if not maintained. that’s why I used grade 8 threaded rod and locktight, hasn’t came loose yet. This tractor handled two bales at time for a few years, but gets around better with some weight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy WP Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Back before the days of impacts, and we were moving from 36 inch rows, to 30 inch rows, we had a couple of inside weights come loose. Hunted and couldn’t figure it out. Thought an axle bearing was out. Finally dropped the outside weights to pull the wheel and found it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binderoid Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/8/2023 at 8:13 PM, vtfireman85 said: My FIL had some “rim guard” put in the Allis. He said it was chloride with corrosion inhibitor in it. Sounds to me like wearing a condom to stay dry in a hurricane, but I wasn’t consulted. There was an old farm publication that stated adding unslaked lime to the calcium during mixing rendered the calcium inert , but I have never tried it. I save all my pre-mix and never seem to be around lime while servicing tire. Soon as a leak is apparent it comes apart anyway, so corrosion is never a problem for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedar farm Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 These weights have been in my 656 40 plus years. Haven't come loose yet. Hate to have to change an axle seal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawleigh99 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 We use methyl(?) Alcohol here,. I haven't had any problem with it. Not quite as heavy as chloride, but a lot easier on the equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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