Massey 956 baler problems

[Tmtbob]

Any guys with experience on these. Technically it’s a challenger rb56 but made by Massey. It started when I replaced a roll a month ago and I was having trouble feeding netwrap after that. Finished that place up by fighting the baler and took it home, made some adjustments but the same problems are going on now so I changed rolls again hoping it was some hocus locus with that roll. Same brand of wrap on all 3 rolls from before the problems started to now. 
  I’ll start the wrap through the rollers and it’ll wrap a bale. All looks fine with the mesh wrap after feeding a bale and the mesh rolls are in the home position. Go to feed the next bale and there is only about 6 inches of wrap left hanging off the mesh roll. Something is tearing the mesh and it’s happening almost every time where I’ll have to get out to rerun the mesh like I’m starting a new roll and it’ll wrap the first one. 

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

I can only offer some general advice since it's a Massey. Is it name brand net wrap? What kind of shape are the belts in?

[U-C]

4 hours ago, Tmtbob said:

Any guys with experience on these. Technically it’s a challenger rb56 but made by Massey. 

technically its a Hesston baler  

[Tmtbob]

1 hour ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

I can only offer some general advice since it's a Massey. Is it name brand net wrap? What kind of shape are the belts in?

Belts are getting smooth and I wanted to replace them before last season but I never got around to it and I had less trouble out of it last year. 
  As for the wrap. I’m not sure what brand it is. I been getting it from my local coop and never had issues like this before. I’m not saying it’s good stuff but I got by with it and  never thought of changing.  I’m still leaning on it being part of the problem since the issues started when I changed rolls. The new roll I put on tonight was dated 3 years old and I thought that was a little outdated. 
  I have a shop manual on it and all I can do is go through and double check all adjustments. I made some changes to the roll support tonight without any difference. Every bale the mesh had to be reran like a new roll. 

 

1 hour ago, U-C said:

technically its a Hesston baler  

Touché 

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

9 hours ago, Tmtbob said:

Belts are getting smooth and I wanted to replace them before last season but I never got around to it and I had less trouble out of it last year. 
  As for the wrap. I’m not sure what brand it is. I been getting it from my local coop and never had issues like this before. I’m not saying it’s good stuff but I got by with it and  never thought of changing.  I’m still leaning on it being part of the problem since the issues started when I changed rolls. The new roll I put on tonight was dated 3 years old and I thought that was a little outdated. 
  I have a shop manual on it and all I can do is go through and double check all adjustments. I made some changes to the roll support tonight without any difference. Every bale the mesh had to be reran like a new roll. 

 

Touché 

I would be tempted to go to the AGCO dealer and get a roll from them to try it. On the balers we run, worn belts cause net wrap trouble as well.

[russ_alabama]

9 hours ago, Tmtbob said:

Belts are getting smooth and I wanted to replace them before last season but I never got around to it and I had less trouble out of it last year. 
  As for the wrap. I’m not sure what brand it is. I been getting it from my local coop and never had issues like this before. I’m not saying it’s good stuff but I got by with it and  never thought of changing.  I’m still leaning on it being part of the problem since the issues started when I changed rolls. The new roll I put on tonight was dated 3 years old and I thought that was a little outdated. 
  I have a shop manual on it and all I can do is go through and double check all adjustments. I made some changes to the roll support tonight without any difference. Every bale the mesh had to be reran like a new roll. 

 

Touché 

If you replace the belts, google Hammond Farm Equipment in Faunsdale Alabama.  In full disclosure, they are cousins of mine… but the now retired dad (Don) of the current owner, Terry, started making belting kits in the 80s and they run typically half price of anyone else.  They ship to nearly every nation that has hay.  All based out of an old milking barn turned into a shop.  If you’ve seen an ad in a farm magazine where a guy is scratching his head and looking at belts thrown on a Vermeer baler,  that’s the retired dad, Don.  
 

Good luck on the baler   

 

 

 

[Tmtbob]

2 hours ago, Dirt_Floor_Poor said:

I would be tempted to go to the AGCO dealer and get a roll from them to try it. On the balers we run, worn belts cause net wrap trouble as well.

I’m definitely grabbing a roll today. If it works I’ll get more over the weekend. I was talking to a few guys today about it and one was thinking that brand the coop sells is China wrap, and being 3 years old could be a little brittle. Others have mentioned the age on the coop brand but I haven’t heard of any other issues other than mine. 

[axial_al]

When my Heston 956 auto was having trouble feeding net wrap, a local baler guru adjusted the baler belt roller right in line with the net wrap feed back in its slots.  It really helped.  Made 90 bales one day last week and never missed.  And this is an almost 17000 total bales baler.  I really doubt the brand of wrap is the problem.  Good luck.

[Jacka]

5 hours ago, russ_alabama said:

If you replace the belts, google Hammond Farm Equipment in Faunsdale Alabama.  In full disclosure, they are cousins of mine… but the now retired dad (Don) of the current owner, Terry, started making belting kits in the 80s and they run typically half price of anyone else.  They ship to nearly every nation that has hay.  All based out of an old milking barn turned into a shop.  If you’ve seen an ad in a farm magazine where a guy is scratching his head and looking at belts thrown on a Vermeer baler,  that’s the retired dad, Don.  
 

Good luck on the baler   

 

 

 

Wow that's awesome, I seen that ad a million times. I just thought the old guy was a actor and they were using a stereotype of a farmer 

[Tmtbob]

2 hours ago, axial_al said:

When my Heston 956 auto was having trouble feeding net wrap, a local baler guru adjusted the baler belt roller right in line with the net wrap feed back in its slots.  It really helped.  Made 90 bales one day last week and never missed.  And this is an almost 17000 total bales baler.  I really doubt the brand of wrap is the problem.  Good luck.

That was the first adjustment I made but that’s more of a mesh starting fix cause it brings the belts back closer to the mesh.   Mine is tearing the mesh from the roll when I feed it.  I’ll know more shortly if different mesh is the fix

[russ_alabama]

1 hour ago, Jacka said:

Wow that's awesome, I seen that ad a million times. I just thought the old guy was a actor and they were using a stereotype of a farmer 

No, that’s cousin Don.  His dad started  vemeer dealership as a dairy farmer.  He drove a long way to get a first to the US Vermeer round baler.  Called the dealer he got it from to find out how to run it.  Don’t know.  Had to call the engineers in holland to find out.  A year later he called again and wanted to be a dealer.  Son Don took over, now grandson Terry.  Cheapest Vermeer parts on earth.  Same on belts.  Real good honest people.  Again, full disclosure, I am related.  

[Tmtbob]

Over 10 bales in now without a problem on NH netwrap. They didn’t have any AGCO and the next dealer is an hour out so I took the new holland stuff. Now it runs like it did last year. Without issues

[Tmtbob]

Finished that place up with 82 bales today since the mesh change and no problems. Made me a believer. I won’t switch back until I put new belts on

[russ_alabama]

35 minutes ago, Tmtbob said:

Finished that place up with 82 bales today since the mesh change and no problems. Made me a believer. I won’t switch back until I put new belts on

I’ve never run any wrap but the Deere edge wrap to have opinion on one variety versus another.  And I only bought a green baler  because some neighbors bought those  balers and I knew I’d have trouble with netwrap (never having run it) and they had those balers (and could help — and did on 4-5 Occasions) .   I have no brand loyalty past that.  My massey (heston made) in-line square baler is a stunningly good baler.  But, I love netwrap versus twine.  It’s more trouble in winter feeding, but baling and taking sweet time to gather and store bales makes it wildly worth it (just in my operation, working alone).  Hope your better fortune continues.  When equipment cooperates, working in hay to me is the best work on the good Lord’s green earth.  

[Dirt_Floor_Poor]

40 minutes ago, russ_alabama said:

I’ve never run any wrap but the Deere edge wrap to have opinion on one variety versus another.  And I only bought a green baler  because some neighbors bought those  balers and I knew I’d have trouble with netwrap (never having run it) and they had those balers (and could help — and did on 4-5 Occasions) .   I have no brand loyalty past that.  My massey (heston made) in-line square baler is a stunningly good baler.  But, I love netwrap versus twine.  It’s more trouble in winter feeding, but baling and taking sweet time to gather and store bales makes it wildly worth it (just in my operation, working alone).  Hope your better fortune continues.  When equipment cooperates, working in hay to me is the best work on the good Lord’s green earth.  

We only run what Deere sells. Years ago net was in short supply and impossible to find, but the local Tractor Supply had some. We bought it because we had to. It caused a lot of problems. That was all we needed to know.