Ionut002 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Hello everyone, I have the following problem with a case 2365, since the beginning of the harvest I saw that it had a loss of power, but it has worsened lately. In the manual it says that the engine speed under load must be over 2340 RPM. At the beginning, it rarely dropped below, let's say it reached 2300 RPM. But in the last few days it started to drop below 2200RPM, the buzzer started going off, and when I started the rotor it just shut my engine off, or if it doesn't shut it off, it blows a lot of black smoke, losing a lot of power. Today when I started everything seemed fine, ran great, no more black smoke, but when I got to the range it started losing power again. I changed the diesel filters, the old owner didn't change them for many years, the air filters still need to be changed, they don't seem that dirty to me but I will change them, the electric diesel pump seems to pump the diesel well, I cleaned the pipes, checked the tank, it was pretty clean, the tank vent is clean. The injection pump seems to have been changed, I think it was changed but I don't know when, the car has 2400 hours on the engine. Cummins engine. At Westgate, from what I saw, a collar was missing from the hose, I put a new collar on it, I noticed again the pipe that feeds the Westgate at the intake and the T that also connects to the injection pump, where it is connected it moves a little easily, from what I've seen, that seal inside is a little damaged, I'm going to change it, what else should I check? Have you ever faced something like this? Can someone help me? Has anyone encountered this before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
495man Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Do you mean a 2366 combine? update your title, I clicked on wondering what a 2365 was. If the turbo piping was leaking you either will have sucked in dirty air which could have dusted the turbo, or leaked boost which would cause loss of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut002 Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 From what I saw today, when it is cold the engine starts and starts the rotor without producing much smoke, almost no smoke, as it heats up and the needle from the temperature clock reaches the green zone, it produces a lot of smoke when the rotor is started, as when the engine it would like to stop, sometimes it stops when I start the rotor. The wastegate on the turbo is good, it works well, I don't have any air leaks, the only thing I hear is that the electric diesel pump sometimes sounds like it is running very strong, other times it seems to have interruptions, at least when I turn on the ignition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut002 Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 It is model 2365 from year 2002 for Europe. It is identical to 2366, only the engine horses I think are less, mine has 220 horse power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ionut002 Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 The engine runs great, starts well, starts well after it warms up, no smoke while driving, no loss of power, only when I start the rotor loses, and loses a lot even in the chain, and there is nothing stuck on the rotor or anything another assembly, everything moves very easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoshoe Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Put a gauge on charge pump pressure and see what happens when you engage rotor. I have had that electric pump make a fool of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HydroTek Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 May I ask what country you are from ? i did not know of the 2365 combine Do you hear the turbo at the exhaust of the engine ? You mentioned the waste gate -- you should not see it move, unless the engine is under load or operating in the field . Remove the first fuel filter at the engine, and check that the fuel flows well from the pump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1566Hog Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Well, I ate some humble pie! I too was thinking it was a mistype and it was supposed to be 2366! Learn something new everyday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDman Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 You repeatedly mention black smoke, especially under load. That suggests adequate fuel, is the engine getting enough air? You say the air filters appear clean.....how about the aspirator/precleaner before the air filters....is it plugged? I assume overseas combines had the same precleaner that North American machines did. You might want to check the aspirator on the air filter housing.....it looks like a series of small, round holes. Make sure they are not obstructed with debris. Sometimes they get plugged up with fines to the point that they don't get the big particles of debris out of the incoming air. This debris does not make it to the air filters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut002 Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 (edited) I checked the wastegate on the turbo, it works in the sense that I tested it with pressure, I also checked the air filter housing, it is clean. The air filter is white, ma I mean the small one, the big one has to be changed. It emits black smoke only when I start the rotor and the engine wants to stop but it does not stop and revs, and in the grain field it does not smoke at all, it runs perfectly but it simply has no power and the revs drop suddenly. I'm from Romania, I bought the combine this year in France, in France there are many models like mine, it's identical to 2366, only the engine I think has fewer horses, that's all. I suspect it would be the electric diesel pump. Sometimes it makes a loud sound, sometimes it seems to stop, as if it is blocked, it is the original pump from the factory. The fuel flows very strongly at the diesel pump, after the electric pump, close to the second filter on the pipe, there is a valve, I opened and turned on the ignition, the diesel flowed, but it did not come out strongly. It flows as if it were from the pressure of the tank more Edited July 6 by Ionut002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ionut002 Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 I will most likely buy a new electric pump, it is somewhere around 120 dollars, aftermarket, the mechanical pump on top seems good, in the sense that it draws fuel immediately from the tank, compared to the electric one which does not seem to work as well even if it sounds very strong. , the fuel goes up the pipe, but it flows very slowly. I didn't have time to take a picture to show you how it flows. But for $120 I'll buy the pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut002 Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 Tomorrow we will most likely harvest like this with it, because it rains almost every day and I can't stay at all, and most likely on Monday I will have the new pump. Let me know your opinion, I'll keep you updated no matter what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axial_al Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I think you are on the right track changing out the electric fuel fuel pump. I had that go bad on my 2366. Also had the waste gate module fail on an 8.3 once. That causes low power too because the anaeroid on the pump can’t actuate. If you have black smoke on machine engagement that probably is ok. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HydroTek Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 There is a screen in the inlet of the electric pump -- it may be clogged Remove the line at the pump inlet and check flow -- should flow a good full stream Alternately - remove the filter or that plug in your picture -- fuel should flow well from there If the flow is weak, then check the valve on the bottom of the fuel tank I have seen the valve in the fuel tank get clogged and restrict flow - soybeans seem to get in the fuel tank Fuel flow from the electric pump at the engine should be strong -- but a restriction on the pump inlet will make that weak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut002 Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 Diesel flows very strongly from the tank, I checked this when I changed the filter, plus the filter filled up in a few seconds when I opened the tap. I cleaned the pipes and blew them and then had to prime the electric diesel pump because it wouldn't pull from the tank because the pipe was empty and even after priming it seemed to have a hard time pulling and pushing the diesel. The pipeline. I hope that's the problem, I don't see another one. I'll let you know how it goes when I install the new pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut002 Posted July 9 Author Share Posted July 9 I also changed the electric pump, the same thing happens, the rotations drop below 2200 RPM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacka Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I would change the outside air filter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut002 Posted July 9 Author Share Posted July 9 I changed it, the only thing left would be the mechanical diesel pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJQ Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just throwing this out there. You checked the intake, what about the exhaust? If the engine can't get expell the air it's pulling in you will have a loss of power. Black smoke is telling us un burnt fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut002 Posted July 9 Author Share Posted July 9 So it emits smoke only when I start the rotor and the engine is very overloaded, it does not emit a single gram of smoke through the wheat field, or when I drive on the road. Only in the field of wheat does it lose its power. Even if I reduce the speed to 4 km/h, it still loses power. I don't think anything is limiting the exhaust. But I will look at both the intake and the exhaust. Could the turbo be dead? Even if no oil flows? Should I also change the mechanical fuel pump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HydroTek Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Looks like the injection pump has been replaced at some time in the past, since the paint is missing Has the lift pump on the engine been replaced ? Do you hear the turbo ? -- usually if the turbo is not working, there will be more smoke -- but with this pump the aneroid (boost compensator) needs turbo pressure to remove the fuel limit -- I have seen the diaphragm fail in the aneroid and then you will not get full power -- the purpose of the aneroid is to limit power until the turbo makes pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jass1660 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 My 2366 would do that especially in corn. Followed @DirtBoyz07 advice on pump settings and helped some but it still would do it from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut002 Posted July 9 Author Share Posted July 9 No, the lift pump has not been changed, the android I checked has no air leaks, it does not emit smoke at all in the chain, I would check the fuel pressure from the lift pump and again check the return valve on the pump of injection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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