acem Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I think the d358 is taller and won't fit under your hood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
234-IA Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I looked into putting a 358 into a 706 with a shot 282. I was going to need frame rails, hoods, basically the whole front half. For sure you'd need the steering tower/support and front grille casting from an 826, likely the radiator as well, because as acem says the 358 is a taller engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injpumped Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 The injectors and pump vary from 310 to 358 simply for more fuel delivery, your 310 fuel system on a 358 will work fine if it's all fresh rebuilds, and you only need the 80hp of the 756 anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt756 Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 hello there again, so today we did some measuring up, first question is , are the 300 and 400 series motors the same height, we measured the truck 360 and it appears to be about 3 inches taller than the german 310, so there is not enough room under the heat shield and fuel tank to fit the 360 in as i am sure the 312 is the same height also, so i guess that is where some remodeling would have to be done for a 300 series to fit in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I think that’s where guys take and cut that front portion of the fuel tank right off and cap it. Loose some capacity, gain some horsepower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super A_sepa Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 The 312 fits under the tank without issue. The Ag 360 is the same block at least so it should fit. I think Matt Kirsh has a truck 360 in his 7. I forget if I modified the heat shield or removed it on my 756. I didn't change anything how the fuel tank is mounted. The tank should not need cut and welded to use a 300 series engine without a turbo. I did have to shorten the tank on my 826 to make room for the turbo but that wasn't related to block height. 826 is taller though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Kirsch Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 On 6/30/2023 at 10:08 PM, pt756 said: a 360 from a bus or truck would work, but we would need to find a tractor fuel pump The 360 in my 756 still has the truck pump in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Kirsch Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 On 7/11/2023 at 11:50 PM, 234-IA said: I looked into putting a 358 into a 706 with a shot 282. I was going to need frame rails, hoods, basically the whole front half. For sure you'd need the steering tower/support and front grille casting from an 826, likely the radiator as well, because as acem says the 358 is a taller engine I've seen 466's stuffed under the stock hoods of 706's. Is a 358 taller than a 466? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt756 Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 so the 312 and 360 are identical in physical size ? the only reason is to go thru the work of a 312 if a 360 would fit the rest of the tractor could handle it, being that this is third time i have asked about this , I was hoping the next fix would be a little more permanent.thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Kirsch Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 23 minutes ago, pt756 said: so the 312 and 360 are identical in physical size ? the only reason is to go thru the work of a 312 if a 360 would fit the rest of the tractor could handle it, being that this is third time i have asked about this , I was hoping the next fix would be a little more permanent.thanks All I know is there's a 360 truck engine in this 756 sitting out in the barn and it fits with everything stock. Stock hood, stock fuel tank, stock air cleaner, stock everything. The tractor's about 1-1/2" longer, that's it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
234-IA Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 5 hours ago, Matt Kirsch said: Is a 358 taller than a 466? from what the other guys are saying i think it comes down to whether you want to cut down the fuel tank. The guy I got my info from is the kind of person who takes the long & perfectionist way on this kind of stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt756 Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 was looking at the parts book, it appears that the 310 and 358 block are the same when you look at the 310 parts, but then youlook at 358 it doesnt say that interchanges with the 310, so where does the 1/2 inch taller on the 358 come from?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axial_al Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 hours ago, pt756 said: was looking at the parts book, it appears that the 310 and 358 block are the same when you look at the 310 parts, but then youlook at 358 it doesnt say that interchanges with the 310, so where does the 1/2 inch taller on the 358 come from?? Well, the bore is the same for 310 and 358, but 358 has a longer stroke hence a taller block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt756 Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 so does a block from a 358 work for a 310? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebraska1206 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 9 hours ago, pt756 said: so does a block from a 358 work for a 310? If you're just replacing the engine block, no, they will not interchange. The internal parts, pistons, sleeves, crankshaft, are different, and 310 internal components won't work in a 358 block, and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt756 Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 thank you the repair got a lead on a 358 block, part of me says go for one of the 300 series and have some fun, not that many years left,and not really worried about resale, just need a functional tractor, lots of videos on the internet about conversions, doesnt look that bad and like I mentioned earlier the repair guy does have a decent 360 motor of a bus, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHC_1470 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 No sure if I have read this comment on here or not and I am not going to take the time to look back. Keep in mind that there are differences between Ag and Truck applications. Oil filter base and exhaust manifolds are two that come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleman Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 20 hours ago, pt756 said: was looking at the parts book, it appears that the 310 and 358 block are the same when you look at the 310 parts, but then youlook at 358 it doesnt say that interchanges with the 310, so where does the 1/2 inch taller on the 358 come from?? The different height of the blocks comes from the base engine of the block. The Neuss family had a D155 stroke family in a D155, a D206 and a D310 and a D179 stroke family, in a D179, a D239 and the D358. They also had some odities in the families. BUT the School Bus 360 (I am calling it a School Bus engine because that is basically the only place you find it) is not in either family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 A 360 “looks” like a 400 series, right? I’ve only ever even seen a few 766’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super A_sepa Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 7 hours ago, stronger800 said: A 360 “looks” like a 400 series, right? I’ve only ever even seen a few 766’s Yes looks like a 400 series only a little more compact in length and height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt756 Posted July 15 Author Share Posted July 15 Oleman you are correct the 360 I have been talking about is out of a school bus, coincidentally this guys brother has a salvage yard, this is how he runs across these things, I did look at the 360 again yesterday, to me it looks like a lot of things t change, seems that the filters arent even in the right spot, covers can be changed, and now guys are interested in my old motor, his pump is bad and he is aware of the cost and scarcity of parts and besides they have 3 other 310.s on their farm. interested in the whole thing maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stronger800 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Filters shouldn’t be a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 I'd repair/ replace your D310. Your injection pump is worth a lot of it's good. Don't sell it cheap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acem Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 Nobody has mentioned the obvious. A D282 will fit. Thx-Ace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
England806 Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 On 6/24/2023 at 3:50 PM, pt756 said: Hello there, so our overhaul on the 310 made it about 100 hours, kind of disappointed as we did everything to the engine, no shortcuts, so first time i have had such a bad time with an overhaul, so the tractor now has a hole in the side of the block this happened while cultivating corn, so now the engine is done, at the time we were thinking about the overhaul we or the the repair guy suggested putting in a 360, I kind of wanted it to be original so we did the overhaul, was always wondering about the single oring and the problems with pumps in the future, so now we try and find block which i understand are hard to come by or consider something different, thanks for any help, There is a D358 for sale on engine trader. $1000. Looks complete. Not sure where In the USA it’s located. (nothing to do with me by the way). might be worth a look if it’s close enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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