Ih500 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 This is my first time tearing apart this tractor, just bought it a month ago. The steering clutch on this tractor has been badly assembled, it doesnt steer correctly and track is slipping on right side. What is retaining the clutch setup when pulling the steering lever? (Bearing??) . The manual show no bearing or spacer? behind the steering clutch drum (between #26 and #24). ? Some picture of the setup would be great!! The drum has been riding on the housing previously and last owner has out some bearing behind the drum but its an homemade setup i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimInOz Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 These machines often give steering issues. Check out the steeringclutch.com website for parts,pictures & info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ih500 Posted June 1 Author Share Posted June 1 Yes i noticed that when ive used the research button, there are problematic. I checked out the website you talked, didn't see more pictures of the setup except the part separately and the same part manual, i sent him an email maybe he will help me . Make me think maybe that when you pull the steer clutch it force (release clutch) against the pinion shaft and to bearing retainer at the end? (#3 on picture) ? This is the case? 🧐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ih500 Posted June 2 Author Share Posted June 2 Ive found that it did exist a spline spacer that the drum ride against, but i would like to confirm with another 500 owner or td5 how there are setup with their clutch between the clutch drum and thrust washer inside the housing! There must be something to make the thrust washer do his job like a 2 inch spacer but i can't confirm anything with the part manual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hector gemme Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 YOU ARE NOT MISSING PARTS PUSH THE FINAL DRIVE PINION SHAFT IN AND THE OTHER SIDE PUSH THE BEVEL GEAR IN THE HUB STERING CLUCH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ih500 Posted June 2 Author Share Posted June 2 Thanks Hector,i thought it was more complex, pulling clutch just push against pinion shaft and transfer all the force to the bearing retainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawleigh99 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 You have to remove both pinions to do it. The shaft just pushes to the other side but remains in the final drive. The splined shaft is captured between the two pinion shafts and drives the inboard side of the clutches. If it is like my 500C, check the bushings in the end of the pinions as well as the nipple thon the splined shaft that goes into them for wear. Every time the clutch is released the nipple turns inside the bushing in the end of the pinion shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ih500 Posted June 2 Author Share Posted June 2 Yes i was able to slide the shaft to one side and remove the steering clutches. Straight 500 crawler don't have bushing to couple the splined bevel shaft to the pinion. Also the previous owner did put washer and a bolt to secure the steering hub on both end of the bevel gear shaft. No wonder why i couldn't move it at first hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ih500 Posted June 2 Author Share Posted June 2 Steering clutch were badly assembled, 8 disk and 7 steel on one side and 7 disk and 7 steel on the other,one of the pressureplate was shimmed with cutted 5/16 washer. Real assembly is 7 disk and 6 steel. The 8 disk side 6/8 disk the teeth were broken, the final drive is probably misaligned or something. @Rawleigh99does the bevel gear splined shaft has a small side to side play in your 500c? Mine does but doesn't have a "guide" #635386 r1 inside the bevel retainer probably same size as the release bearing sleeve as shown in part manual if i am right correct me guys of i am wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmi Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Steering clutch were badly assembled, 8 disk and 7 steel on one side and 7 disk and 7 steel on the other,one of the pressureplate w common practice to keep the best used and add the new to within spec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hector gemme Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 The INTERNATIONAL 500 and 500C stering cluch are different 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawleigh99 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 I defer to Hector. He has seen a lot of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray54 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 3 hours ago, mmi said: Steering clutch were badly assembled, 8 disk and 7 steel on one side and 7 disk and 7 steel on the other,one of the pressureplate w common practice to keep the best used and add the new to within spec I have done such to keep a Cat going, without spending a a big amount of money. BUT YOU NEED SPECS. If disks and plates stack is to thick it will not release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ih500 Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 Steering clutch part is okay, i found answer for my questions! Now, found that the final drive has exploded in the past and been welded, the pinion retainer need some rewelding as thread are stripped, any tips or experience on welding with Nr211 mig wire that kind of cast iron? Gotta recenter the hole thing and use the final spacer as turning bearing to find the right spot i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawleigh99 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Sounds like you may need to make friends with a good machinist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ih500 Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 Yep ive found a plan hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ih500 Posted June 7 Author Share Posted June 7 Anyone has picture of various part of the pinion setup , i don't have those part and can't find any picture with the part number online.i have no idea what they are exactly looking like so i can fabricate/check material/order the same kind of bearing. 635074 R1 Pinion bearing thrush outer #6 (i have found one in a bucket of spare part a kind of round bearing that maybe could be it?) Look at pic 635072 R1 Pinion thrush washer #24 Regular round thrush washer i have i think 635073 R1 Pinion thrush bushing #7 (look at picture if its that thing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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