jeeper61 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Are they over loaded? Or are the crumple zones in the frames failing? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12_Guy Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 That would ruin your trip. Guessing too much weight behind the axle. They look new enough that rusted frame shouldn't be the problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowrosefarm Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Must have been a change somewhere. I had one of those 12' slide in's on my 98 Dodge 3500. After that a steel EZ dump, which has had 3 tons of rock in it, and no problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardtail Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 They both look like they are towing something also 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, yellowrosefarm said: Must have been a change somewhere. I had one of those 12' slide in's on my 98 Dodge 3500. After that a steel EZ dump, which has had 3 tons of rock in it, and no problems. I think they have added crumple zones in the frames to absorb energy from rear end collisions. IMO this has made weaker frames 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearclash Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I’ve seen pictures of this before and my conjecture is that there is a weld on the frame where this break is occurring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binderoid Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Makes me want to run right out and order an $80,000 pickup 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihfan4life Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, Binderoid said: Makes me want to run right out and order an $80,000 pickup That must be the stripped model for $80,000? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewcrew Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 This is the first time I’ve seen a Ford with a frame broken, but I’ve heard more of the story regarding the ram. He had been bouncing over Mexican roads with a camper that had a dry weight close to the rating of the pickup. Add in supplies and water, he was over capacity. I don’t recall if there was a trailer involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
560Dennis Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Wish I could blame NEO road salt but that’s Texas fatigue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 It's happening on other type full framed vehicles used off road The towed weight gets into a situation were it is pushing down on the frame and crumple zone crumples IMO all the manufactures fault 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
searcyfarms Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 i cant even imagine sometihng like that happening, ive done some crazy towing and other nonstandard, ( overwhelming the vehicle specs ) over the years guess i need to try harder if going to break things 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
int 504 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I'm guessing the crumple zone is to protect the car that runs into the truck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 14 minutes ago, int 504 said: I'm guessing the crumple zone is to protect the car that runs into the truck. I believe so but they might be trying to provide protection to truck occupants also. But I think the need to re think the method, it is a truck it needs to have a strong frame I have seen other video's of trucks used off road a lot that section of frame gets weak and starts to flex a lot allowing the truck bed to hit the back of the cab. Maybe a section of frame that will collapse linear into itself with shear bolts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binderoid Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 hours ago, Ihfan4life said: That must be the stripped model for $80,000? Jeez I had no idea it was that far out of control. But probably a blessing in disguise... someone who can weld can lift the bed and cab and make something out of that toys r us frame. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehammer Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 46 minutes ago, jeeper61 said: I have seen other video's of trucks used off road a lot that section of frame gets weak and starts to flex a lot allowing the truck bed to hit the back of the cab. I used to see that a lot when I off-roaded more. Brick nose Fords would flex like mad and go right back. Never saw one crack or break myself. Keep Cherokees with the unibody would flex to the point the doors would not open at times. I haven’t priced one recently but I know those large slide in campers aren’t cheap. I could see one of those touching 50K besides the truck cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 11 minutes ago, Sledgehammer said: I used to see that a lot when I off-roaded more. Brick nose Fords would flex like mad and go right back. Never saw one crack or break myself. Keep Cherokees with the unibody would flex to the point the doors would not open at times. I had the tail gate window blow out in the sand dunes on a 3/4 ton Travelall, Made sure it was down when I did any hill climbing after that. Back in those days a lot of frames had riveted crossmembers and they twisted in the rough stuff. These new frames are folding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt_Floor_Poor Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I’ve seen quite a few truck frames broken just like that from lifting thousands and thousands of round bales. Bale beds are hard on trucks and the frame breaks right behind the cab. We have welded a lot of our own trucks over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 In the 50's International had a pickup with a unibody. Neighbor had 2 that he overloaded to the point that both chassis went down behind the cab. He kept them for years as a reminder never to purchase a pickup from IH. I haven't had a frame issue in years but I did have a dodge ramcharger that had frame cracks where the powersteering gearbox mounted, I just sandwitched it to a section of 3/16 flatbar, no frame welding for my vehicles. Keep all your bolts tight and never overload the chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahamfireman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 hours ago, int 504 said: I'm guessing the crumple zone is to protect the car that runs into the truck. No...... Not all accidents involve hitting another vehicle. Crumple zones protect the occupants of the vehicle from the sudden change in speed a vehicle experiences in a crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
int 504 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, brahamfireman said: No...... Not all accidents involve hitting another vehicle. Crumple zones protect the occupants of the vehicle from the sudden change in speed a vehicle experiences in a crash. I agree on a front crumple zone but I have seen numerous accidents where a car ran into the rear of a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. The car was demolished and the truck and occupant(s) drove away. With belts in use of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 My liability policy for a 1993 K2500 Suburban is substantially higher than our little 2013 Nissan Versa, according to State Farm it is because of the potential damage that a large vehicle like a Suburban causes in an accident with another vehicle. Therefore, to make a Suburban cause less damage to another vehicle in an accident will save the insurance companies $$$ in claims no matter which vehicle actually causes the accident! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binderoid Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 50 minutes ago, oleman said: My liability policy for a 1993 K2500 Suburban is substantially higher than our little 2013 Nissan Versa, according to State Farm it is because of the potential damage that a large vehicle like a Suburban causes in an accident with another vehicle. Therefore, to make a Suburban cause less damage to another vehicle in an accident will save the insurance companies $$$ in claims no matter which vehicle actually causes the accident! On the flip side of that coin, my Nationwide farm policy came through with one of the trucks mis-identified as a C-60, although the vin was correct. When I got it correctly identified as a C-30, my policy went up $50. Why? Although one can kill more people with 10 tons of limestone and no brakes, the 1-ton dump is more convenient to use, and therefore more likely to be on the road and involved in an accident. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtfireman85 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 hours ago, jeeper61 said: It's happening on other type full framed vehicles used off road The towed weight gets into a situation were it is pushing down on the frame and crumple zone crumples IMO all the manufactures fault I saw one keeping up with traffic, eastbound on I90 yesterday towing a mid 80’s LTD wagon on what must have been an 18’ 5 ton trailer. I was doing 80, I would estimate his speed similar based on traffic conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeeper61 Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 24 minutes ago, vtfireman85 said: I saw one keeping up with traffic, eastbound on I90 yesterday towing a mid 80’s LTD wagon on what must have been an 18’ 5 ton trailer. I was doing 80, I would estimate his speed similar based on traffic conditions. Must of had the peddle on the floor that 3.6 isn't a power house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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